strange dope

[pegasys]

swim got some junk from his usual source and snorted a bag. My front teeth went numb for about 2 minutes and now my vision is strange, not double vision like with swims usual junk. The junk was the usual brown color so I don't think it was cut with coke, but my teeth definitely went numb for a bit and now my vision goes in and out of focus. Does anyone have an idea what sort of cut they used. The quality is there with .1 equaling about 90mg oc when snorted. It freaked me out for a bit cause of the numbing effect, swim didn't want to do coke and junk at the same time, esp right b4 bed. Swim's gonna do another one. If anyone has any ideas what could make you go numb, but only for a little bit. If it helps, they are blanks from queens.
Update: When comparing to the "blanks" from the same hypothetical spot, the "blanks" weren't the same "blanks" as the usual. These are a slightly lighter shade of tan, physically more powder per bag and it seems like they are stronger than the last batch. swim will try to post a pic he found online that is representative of what swims stuff looked like.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

"swim didn't want to do coke and junk at the same time, esp right b4 bed. Swim's gonna do another one."

AM I MISSING SOMETHING??
if this is not swims desired wish
why the fuck is swim -"gonna do another":confused:

PLEASE-need more info then teeth /eyeball report.
ah- body effects- how is it truly make swim feel to want to go swimming again???

[pegasys]

all the feelings were of a normal high, nice and strong, with a bit of anxiety at the beginning from the numbness I think. other than the numbness and maybe an extra nose burn right when swim sniffed it. So basically I'm only paranoid about it being mixed with some kind of stim, cocaine or otherwise just cause of the numbness.

Yo answer your question, it got swim high, and well you all know how that goes. Tho swim will just use the last batch till more people give input, tho I doubt anyone will know unless there is some sure fire"on and one" test.
Edit: I guess wanting to get high almost overrode my fear of speedball induced cardiac arrest, but its cool swim remembered the darker stuff.

This isn't swims, but it's what swims looked like.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9060/snapshotjc.jpg

[More Feen]

If your stuff was cut with some thing like diphenhydramine, it can act like a local anesthetic.

The loopy vision could be from the diphenhydramine.

Just a SWAG (science-realted wild ass guess)

[pegasys]

swim just had a crazy panic atttackor something, heart racing. I'm not sure whats up with this stuff. very strange.

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

Damn B, I'm sorry to hear that.... that sounds like some nasty undesirable side effect. I've never ever had shit that sounds like what you have.... just normal dope feelings. More Feen had a good idea with the benadryl. Maybe it's another kind of local like lidocaine or procaine, but I don't think that would cause anxiety.

[OverDriven]

If your stuff was cut with some thing like diphenhydramine, it can act like a local anesthetic.

The loopy vision could be from the diphenhydramine.

Just a SWAG (science-realted wild ass guess)

Diphenhydramine doesn't act as a local anesthetic. It was likely cut with lidocaine. I doubt anyone would cut it with cocaine, but anything is possible. The most likely answer is lidocaine though.

[duck]

swim just had a crazy panic atttackor something, heart racing. I'm not sure whats up with this stuff. very strange.

This can often be psychosomatic, I know I've done it to myself -- think something is "weird" with my drugs and then freak myself out so I start developing symptoms.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

This can often be psychosomatic, I know I've done it to myself -- think something is "weird" with my drugs and then freak myself out so I start developing symptoms.
Yeah, the mind is a crazy thing!!

[xxanxx]

I've run into dope cut with cocaine more than a few times in Lansing and once in Detroit, though it really isn't that common. Sounds like it could have been cut with a 'caine and perhaps you gave yourself a bit of a panic attack??

[More Feen]

Diphenhydramine doesn't act as a local anesthetic. It was likely cut with lidocaine. I doubt anyone would cut it with cocaine, but anything is possible. The most likely answer is lidocaine though.

Over Driven,

Until this week, I didn't think so either (Benedryl, a local anesthetic--no way).

Take a Benedryl tablet, clean off the red-colouring until you get to the white inner core, lick it.

It made my tongue numb, for a few minutes. Yes, his shyte could have had lidocaine, or benzocaine added to it, but diphen seems a fairly common cut.

Here's a link: http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=1029

About 1/3 way down, you will find:
Use as a Local Anesthetic

Because of the risk of local necrosis, this drug should not be used as a local anesthetic.

Not trying to be a know it all smart ass, cause a week ago, I was with you.

After reading this, I cleaned a benedryl tab, etc....

And that's one to grow on.

[More Feen]

Here is from Wiki:

Diphenhydramine also has local anesthetic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_anesthetic) properties, and has been used for patients allergic to common local anesthetics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_anesthetics) like lidocaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidocaine).[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine#cite_note-10)

MF

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Over Driven,

Until this week, I didn't think so either (Benedryl, a local anesthetic--no way).

Take a Benedryl tablet, clean off the red-colouring until you get to the white inner core, lick it.

It made my tongue numb, for a few minutes. Yes, his shyte could have had lidocaine, or benzocaine added to it, but diphen seems a fairly common cut.

Here's a link: http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=1029

About 1/3 way down, you will find:
Use as a Local Anesthetic

Because of the risk of local necrosis, this drug should not be used as a local anesthetic.

Not trying to be a know it all smart ass, cause a week ago, I was with you.

After reading this, I cleaned a benedryl tab, etc....

And that's one to grow on.

+1 MY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE FRIEND!!!

PLUS - AGAIN i could be very wrong but have only SEEN lidocaine come in liquid form
PERSONAL dumb fuck option is cut with bit of coke an OP may or may not be prone to anxiety attack. VERY easy to give oneself one.
Can not and Have not done Coke in 10 years +
straight to geek no fun, there is a line you cross somewhere in which fun never to return
before that line Trash Cans full of it

[OverDriven]

Over Driven,

Until this week, I didn't think so either (Benedryl, a local anesthetic--no way).

Take a Benedryl tablet, clean off the red-colouring until you get to the white inner core, lick it.

It made my tongue numb, for a few minutes. Yes, his shyte could have had lidocaine, or benzocaine added to it, but diphen seems a fairly common cut.

Here's a link: http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=1029

About 1/3 way down, you will find:
Use as a Local Anesthetic

Because of the risk of local necrosis, this drug should not be used as a local anesthetic.

Not trying to be a know it all smart ass, cause a week ago, I was with you.

After reading this, I cleaned a benedryl tab, etc....

And that's one to grow on.

Huh...damn well I have to give credit where credit is due. I had no idea about that. + rep to you, my friend. Good find.

I wonder if the risk of necrosis is due to constriction of capillaries (similar to how cocaine causes necrosis in the nose).

[More Feen]

I dunno.

Now you can search 5000 websites after Googling "Benedryl & necrosis".

Actually, wiki might have your answer.

Thanks y'ALL

(I'll give you some rep points for calling me out on this. A week ago, I would've done the same. I love it when people keep me grounded!!)

M F

[KoDeInaaaae]

yea diphenhydramine is def a local anesthetic,that why they use it to make u to stop itchin for poison ivy and nonsense like that

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

yea diphenhydramine is def a local anesthetic,that why they use it to make u to stop itchin for poison ivy and nonsense like that

huh I HAD NO IDEA- GOOD CALL Kodeinaaaae
god damn that hard for me shitty spelling:D

[KoDeInaaaae]

hell yea it is lol fuck my name lol its hard as hell to log in with. . .

[EleusisII]

Wow... It's amazing... Anytime K says something really out there, I think "OK, surely he can't be more wrong than he was right there. His next post will probably be an improvement!" But nope, he just reaches into the good ol' barrel of wrong once more, and lowers the standards another notch!

He's GOT to be a troll of some sorts!

yea diphenhydramine is def a local anesthetic,that why they use it to make u to stop itchin for poison ivy and nonsense like that

No, wrong, fail, try googling it, and try again!

[pegasys]

Thanks for all the ideas, idk what it was, but it gave swim a killer headache the next day. Don't think it was actually cut with cocaine cause I was able to talk swim down from the panic attack fairly quickly. swim od'd on coke once so now whenever swim does it he bugs out. Benadryl sounds more likely than anything, short numbness with a nit of a burn before the numbness, then a headache the next day... whatever nothing too serious.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Wow... It's amazing... Anytime K says something really out there, I think "OK, surely he can't be more wrong than he was right there. His next post will probably be an improvement!" But nope, he just reaches into the good ol' barrel of wrong once more, and lowers the standards another notch!

He's GOT to be a troll of some sorts!



No, wrong, fail, try googling it, and try again!

ELEUSIS- pope person ball scratcher??????????

got an extra room?:rolleyes:

[DanCollins]

whatever it was, pegasys, i'm very glad you're alright and alive to tell the tale!
(i'm full of that good cheer that only comes with... good cheer, i have to share!)

[OverDriven]

yea diphenhydramine is def a local anesthetic,that why they use it to make u to stop itchin for poison ivy and nonsense like that

Diphenhydramine is used to make you stop itching because it is an antihistamine. That has nothing to do with it's anesthetic properties. A local anesthetic can't be taken to kill pain anyways. It has to be applied LOCALLY...hence the name.

[xxanxx]

Diphenhydramine is used to make you stop itching because it is an antihistamine. That has nothing to do with it's anesthetic properties. A local anesthetic can't be taken to kill pain anyways. It has to be applied LOCALLY...hence the name.


bingo.....

[Duckfeet]

The bummer of powder--as opposed to the bummer or tar--is that periodically they'll cut it with whatever weird stuff they have around, and sometimes they hope it'll make the dope more marketable--like fentanyl always does: it kills some junkies, but we still get in line for more...

Anyway, they used to periodically get cuts like this, "seemed" like alocal anasthetic, and we always ended up hating it, since it seemed there was a lot less actual heroin in the mix, and you knew as soon as you did it, that it was the weird stuff again, gave an unpleasant "weird" numbing rush before you felt any heroin at all. We always called it "procaine" but that's cuz junkies just have to develop a word for anything...it was always floating in and out of Orange County CA, and all it did was piss us off...but it was usually a "seller's market" so who knows. I didn't like the crap, nobody I knew did, but it sure sounds the same as this.

[pegasys]

next up is supposed to be the stuff that was on the front page of newsday, what that means about the quality who knows. I don't post very often (but lurk and read alot), but for all the regular posters, thank you, you've all been very helpful/informative/ good at harm reduction.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

The bummer of powder--as opposed to the bummer or tar--is that periodically they'll cut it with whatever weird stuff they have around, and sometimes they hope it'll make the dope more marketable--like fentanyl always does: it kills some junkies, but we still get in line for more...

Anyway, they used to periodically get cuts like this, "seemed" like alocal anasthetic, and we always ended up hating it, since it seemed there was a lot less actual heroin in the mix, and you knew as soon as you did it, that it was the weird stuff again, gave an unpleasant "weird" numbing rush before you felt any heroin at all. We always called it "procaine" but that's cuz junkies just have to develop a word for anything...it was always floating in and out of Orange County CA, and all it did was piss us off...but it was usually a "seller's market" so who knows. I didn't like the crap, nobody I knew did, but it sure sounds the same as this.

AH D.F. wise one - BACK IN THE DAY, when c was very.very expensive, and the was no readyrock. Procaine was use to cut much more expensive cociane. Procaine would pass that 'so called' nummer test on the gums. indicating ,gots to be GREAT.
GOOD CALL D.F.

[Papa Verine]

Anyone who's has ever taken liquid Benedryl knows it has local anesthetic properties. It numbs your mouth and throat. Not as much as cocaine but you can feel it.

It's common for dope to be cut with Diphenhydramine around here. If you snort it you will notice a slight numbing and it does fuck with your vision a little.

The dope dealers on the street are not very intelligent. They think heroin HAS TO be cut with Diphenhydramine for some reason... I once bought some "raw" from a guy and he sold each bag of raw with a Dormin capsule. As if that was the proper way to use heroin.

I was like "What the fuck is this?" Stupid fucks... I'll save that Dormin capsule for next fall when my allergies start acting up, Thank you.

[More Feen]

Sounds like an ideal situation to clean up street bought H (hopefully gets rid of the Diphen, etc...).

Morphie's Modified Technique:

1: Dissolve in clean water (purer is gooder), (test tube works good),
2: Let indissolvables settle to bottom,
3: Separate & KEEP liquid layer (decant, or filter), transfer to new tube,
4: Raise pH to ~ 9, sodium carbonate is good to use,
5: Add ~ 1mL of chloroform, shake very well, let settle, chloroform layer is BENEATH aqueous layer,
6: Transfer chloroform layer to yet another TT, using techniques known in the chem. field,
7: Add dilute HCl, shake again, Purified H is now in HCl aq layer ABOVE chloroform,
8: Transfer aqueous layer to last TT, still has some chloroform in it,
9: Shake it and blow on it over several minutes to get rid of residual chloroform, test by smell & taste.
10: When solution no longer smells of chloroform, and when tasted, no chloroform tingle noted. Almost ready,
11: add a SMALL amt of bicarbonate to "chillax" the HCl (pH between 5.5 and 7.0), now ready.

Use at own risk. Ensure that ALL of the chloroform is gone (steps 9-10), alternatively, at step 6, just let the chloroform evaporate (low heat) to residue (no burnie the chlory), then add HCl, dissolve residue, add a pinch of bicarb.

Lastly, if you have good clean saline available, you can dilute the acid/bicarb solution with it, to make your veins happier as well (osmotically-balanced, pH balanced).

M F

[KoDeInaaaae]

Wow... It's amazing... Anytime K says something really out there, I think "OK, surely he can't be more wrong than he was right there. His next post will probably be an improvement!" But nope, he just reaches into the good ol' barrel of wrong once more, and lowers the standards another notch!

He's GOT to be a troll of some sorts!



No, wrong, fail, try googling it, and try again!

yea i was wrong about why its used to stop itching for poison ivy,i totally forgot itching is caused by the histamine lol i was very wrong about that,im dumb for that remark lol...

(Diphenhydramine also has local anesthetic properties, and has been used for patients allergic to common local anesthetics like lidocaine)

But I was right about that bro so hop off my nuts cause im not a troll and i do know what that is now.So there you go reaching into that barrel of wrong.

[OverDriven]

Sounds like an ideal situation to clean up street bought H (hopefully gets rid of the Diphen, etc...).

Morphie's Modified Technique:

1: Dissolve in clean water (purer is gooder), (test tube works good),
2: Let indissolvables settle to bottom,
3: Separate & KEEP liquid layer (decant, or filter), transfer to new tube,
4: Raise pH to ~ 9, sodium carbonate is good to use,
5: Add ~ 1mL of chloroform, shake very well, let settle, chloroform layer is BENEATH aqueous layer,
6: Transfer chloroform layer to yet another TT, using techniques known in the chem. field,
7: Add dilute HCl, shake again, Purified H is now in HCl aq layer ABOVE chloroform,
8: Transfer aqueous layer to last TT, still has some chloroform in it,
9: Shake it and blow on it over several minutes to get rid of residual chloroform, test by smell & taste.
10: When solution no longer smells of chloroform, and when tasted, no chloroform tingle noted. Almost ready,
11: add a SMALL amt of bicarbonate to "chillax" the HCl (pH between 5.5 and 7.0), now ready.

Use at own risk. Ensure that ALL of the chloroform is gone (steps 9-10), alternatively, at step 6, just let the chloroform evaporate (low heat) to residue (no burnie the chlory), then add HCl, dissolve residue, add a pinch of bicarb.

Lastly, if you have good clean saline available, you can dilute the acid/bicarb solution with it, to make your veins happier as well (osmotically-balanced, pH balanced).

M F

I don't have any dope to clean, but I'm curious...what is a commonly available solvent that can replace chloroform since chloroform is not easily obtainable?

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

I don't have any dope to clean, but I'm curious...what is a commonly available solvent that can replace chloroform since chloroform is not easily obtainable?

Chloroform is pretty toxic stuff too, although it is relatively common. I don't think it would be terribly hard to obtain, but I could be wrong.

[More Feen]

Yeah,

Other methods of cleaning H involve ether (as in "I've got some Ethe--BOOM--er).

Chloroform has its problems & dangers, but exploding isn't one of them.

It is IMPORTANT not to take short cuts. Shake & blow that solution until you cannot smell or taste any more chloroform.

Eventhough you've separated the HCl & most of the chloroform, there is still enough dissolved in the HCl to smell & taste.

By shaking the solution, you free-up more of the trapped chloroform from the solution, to the air above it. Open the tube and blow on it to get rid of it. Repeat.

Soon, it no longer smells like chloro, but will still taste of it. Repeat shaking & blowing until there's no longer any taste.

Is it 100% chloroform free now?? I don't know. I trust my senses.

M F

[EleusisII]

I don't know about you guys, but I'd be worried if one of my friends had some chloroform just "laying around".

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

I don't know about you guys, but I'd be worried if one of my friends had some chloroform just "laying around".

mmm WHY IS THAT????
DO not like waking up naked in dark strange places
just curious
hey how does a squirrell grow a beard??

[More Feen]

Using chloroform to HUFF, is a good way to pass out & die, or to kill your liver quickly.

Using it to knock people out and do stuff to them is a time-honoured tradition & technique.

Of course, there can be ramifications....

Best to use it for chemistry, or not at all.

M F

[farmpkm]

Before everyone gets all worked up about how to remove diphenhydramine from dope you should remember why people cut dope with diphen. Know why? It increases the effects.

I''m not ashamed to say that on more than one occasion when I only had old cottons and gunk scraped out of cookers to shoot I have mixed in some benadryl. Know why? Cause it helps get me higher. Is it a good drug? Nope. But it helps a little.

Ok, maybe I'm a little ashamed... but not a lot ashamed.

[More Feen]

Shooting Benedryl (Diphenhydramine),

If you like shooting Diphenhydramine, you can buy 25mg tabs at your local store. I'd go with brand name.

1: Remove Coating (they are bright red over here), get to white core,
2: Dissolve in Water (saline is better),
3: Shake,
4: Let binders settle,
5: Perform crude filtration (get rid of the binders/indisolvables),
6: Perform high quality filtration (0.2 um filter wheel is best, a 5 um filter is better than cotton),
7: Solution is now ~colourless, taste like chem, will number your tongue (as Diphenhydramine should).

**Use at own risk, only under conditions of extreme duress when no other means of healthcare are available to you (pertains to ~ 47,000,000 Americans without health insurance).

*Last thing--keep a note on how many tablets you used, usually each tab is 25mg, which is a strong injectible dose. Don't extract an entire pack of Diphenhydramine and slam it. Don't do more than 1-2 tabs until you see its effects. Go slowly.

IT CAN KILL YOU !! (and it could help you)

M F