Have you ever heard of someone not having W/D's?

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I've been told by an acquaintance that he doesn't get W/D's. He says he can go on a binge for 6-8 months and be absolutely fine when abruptly stopping. Do you think he's feeding me BS or are there really people who are immune to W/D. I'm thinking it's BS but ya never know. If its true, all I can says is....LUCKY FUCKERS!!!!!:(

[God_Albino]

some people can go a long time, but does that mean given strong enough doses over enough time they'll never suffer withdrawal? i don't think it's ever been documented, man.

if they've truly never had their first sick yet, they might keep pushing their luck for who knows how long, but eventually i believe we all have to pay. the severity of their sickness may be so mild they don't notice it; some folks can detox easier than others.

[EleusisII]

^^^^^
What he said.

Either that, or well... Is it an acquaintance you know well? Cause I have a feeling he's also tried being shot, and had lots of threesomes. Actually all sorts of crazy shit, one thing more unbelievable after the other keeps happening to him. ;)

[30_Units]

no free lunch.

[doctor diesel]

There was an interesting thread about this a wee while ago.
Someone dig it up - I honestly don't know how to!


Doc

[ouaisOut]

It's really weird, until I found a ridiculously cheap oxy connect and went way overboard, I had gone through a dozen detoxes, maybe more. Of course, the amount of product increased as my tolerance grew. But before I started reading internet forums. I never really thought much about my w/d's. I guess I was just lucky. And it underscores the psychological aspect of withdrawal. I used to detox off 180mg oxy (Percocets. not OC), and I'd just feel a bit crappy for a few days: runny nose, yawning primarily, bit of sweaty shivering. A week later, all my original, normal body and mental functions were natural.

I don't know, it seems strange to me too. We must all have different reactions and metabolisms. I have a very, very slow metabolism and i wonder if that ultimately helps me.

[Paregoric Kid]

for some people it can take quite a while for significant withdrawal symptoms develop. it took me quite a while but it did catch up with me eventually.
I imagine there are a few freaks out there that have deleted, missing, or mutated genes that may allow them to never get dependent. if they exist they are probably exceptionally rare. pain also effects the development of dependence.

[Duckfeet]

I never met anybody or heard any credible evidence of anybody not having withdrawals...junkies just play with it, postpone it, manage it with other opiates, etc., but they always pay the price eventually. It's just wishful thinking...IMHO...and that's what makes opiate addiction so different from other mood altering substances: everybody who drinks three shots of whiskey every day for a month doesn't get all strungout and miserable when the whiskey is taken away...but everybody gets addicted to opiates. Some people are just younger and in better health and can walk through w/d's well enough the first few times, but eventually you pay.

I've "tricked" my bod into avoiding "hard" withdrawals through slow methadone detoxes, but that isn't all that much fun, psychologically, neither. You play you pay. Eventually.

[BlueMajick]

I think if people go on short binges, with enough and long enough breaks in between, they can avoid withdrawal. You know if you never get to that point where you're over the wall...you know the one that you can't climb back over, and then you're forever an addict, and can no longer really chip like you once could. I think as long as you take breaks before your tolerance really starts rising... before you become dependent you won't experience much. Also if it's your first time, and you have just been on a two week binge, i don't think it would be too bad.

I do think it gets worse each time, mentally, because we know what to expect. The first time you quit and you experience withdrawals, besides some of the major physical symptoms, which you may not even have if it was a short enough run, low enough dose, etc, most of the symptoms would be mental, and without expecting them, or knowing what to expect, there's a good chance you won't even know what hit you.

I've talked to friends who recently quit for the first time, first time after a period of using, which was a few weeks long. They didn't really report and withdrawal. I remember my first time, wasn't that bad, probably had something to do with not knowing what to expect. Now i KNOW, and I look for every single fucking little symptom, and notice them 100%.

So i don't think it's possible to not get them completely, but i think your use patterns may allow you to avoid them all but completely. I think anyone that uses long enough.. maybe a month or more? every single day, is going to have to pay up.

Also, i think if someone is already taking other medications for different disorders, like anti-depressants, or anti-anxiety (benzos) medications... basically people already regularly taking the kinds of medicines one might take during withdrawal to help reduce symptoms, even though they may not link the two int heir head, or think to mention it to someone when they're telling them how they had no withdrawal, because the others meds have been part of their daily routine for so long that they don't think about them, or think they matter, especially someone who's not very knowledgeable about opiate withdrawal, or pharmaceuticals, and these may be pretty much covering all the symptoms without them knowing it.

[doctor diesel]

There's definitely a psychological aspect to this, and I'll give an example. My missus was on 150mg tramadol three times daily for four years, then she suddenly ran out cos she'd forgotten to re-up the script. By Christ was she ill within one day - I mean seriously, seriously ill, moaning, shaking, sweating and incapable of movement. I got an emergency repeat script, and within 20 mins all was well.
However.... she forgot all about that, three years later, when she decided she had become pain free, and without telling me - or anyone - she stopped taking all tramadol - just stopped dead. When I found out one week later, I asked her if she'd weaned herself down, or if she'd felt atall ill, and her surprised response was "No" to both questions.
The power of the mind, people, the power of the mind.

Doc

[okie dokie]

i have a friend who says he never has wd, but he is an idiot.....i think maybe he dosnt have the mental capacity to have WD's.....

[Duckfeet]

Now *that* is funny:).

i have a friend who says he never has wd, but he is an idiot.....i think maybe he dosnt have the mental capacity to have WD's.....

[doctor diesel]

Hey, Okie, mMaybe he never takes opiates

[Flowergirl]

I can honestly say I've never experienced withdrawal. Last May (2008) after I had boob surgery and a couple complications, I was taking Percocet regularly for 5ish weeks. 8-10 of them a day for the most part. One morning I woke up, the pain was very diminished, and I just stopped taking them. I was fine. I thought I would feel some discomfort and I kept waiting for it, but it never came.

Since then, I play around about twice a month for 3-4 days at a stretch. I've still not felt withdrawal, and I'm more than happy to keep it that way!

I'm also one of those freaks of nature who lacks whatever enzyme it is that converts codeine to morphine (I think?) in the body. I learned this the hard way after dental surgery and eating Tylenol 3s like they were going out of style. Doubt that has anything to do with anything, but still interesting, to me, anyway...

[barbiegal]

Hi Okie-Maybe your friend is just too stupid to realize he's WDing?-lol:D..

[doctor diesel]

I can honestly say I've never experienced withdrawal. Last May (2008) after I had boob surgery and a couple complications, I was taking Percocet regularly for 5ish weeks. 8-10 of them a day for the most part. One morning I woke up, the pain was very diminished, and I just stopped taking them. I was fine. I thought I would feel some discomfort and I kept waiting for it, but it never came.
Since then, I play around about twice a month for 3-4 days at a stretch. I've still not felt withdrawal, and I'm more than happy to keep it that way!
I'm also one of those freaks of nature who lacks whatever enzyme it is that converts codeine to morphine (I think?) in the body. I learned this the hard way after dental surgery and eating Tylenol 3s like they were going out of style. Doubt that has anything to do with anything, but still interesting, to me, anyway...


You are that rare animal, Flowegirl, known as THE CHIPPER. How I envy you.
In the first instance of you taking percs for five weeks, you didn't get WDs because a) you were taking them for pain rather than pleasure, and b) five weeks is probably on the cusp of what a novice would get away with before becoming dependent anyway.


Doc

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

You are that rare animal, Flowegirl, known as THE CHIPPER. How I envy you.
In the first instance of you taking percs for five weeks, you didn't get WDs because a) you were taking them for pain rather than pleasure, and b) five weeks is probably on the cusp of what a novice would get away with before becoming dependent anyway.


Doc

WORD
try 5 months of Oxy
report back finding in 3-01-10



2010 - wow a decade just fly past:rolleyes:

[Flowergirl]

Yeah, and if I ever come here asking how to manage withdrawals until I can get my hands on more drugs, you all are hereby ordered to track me down and wring my neck. I've always said that if I get to that point, that's where I stop. I don't think I can manage all my responsibilities and be an addict going through the cycle of having and not having, sickness... all that fun stuff.

Not that some of you don't function perfectly fine this way, but I don't think I have it in me to be an effective parent and or wife if I go down that road. Somedays I feel pulled in 1000 directions as it is, and I don't need additional distractions or complications. My family needs me too much, you know? My little ones are too little and too dependent to have a mom who isn't 100% engaged and there. And we all know moms don't get sick days!

[Papa Verine]

It happens. Not ALL people get withdrawals from using opiates. I know of at least one other Opiophile (who's been absent lately) who says she never gets withdrawals and I have no reason not to believe her.

Me, on the other hand... The first time I ever took Xanax, I came across about a month's supply. I would take 1 or 2 or 3 a day and that went on for a week or 2. When they ran out I get severe withdrawals and could barely function. The first time I did heroin for 3 days straight I got terrible withdrawals for the 3 days following. I never got that grace period early in my drug use with no W/D. I've been suffering right from the beginning.

What does it all mean? I have no clue...

[doctor diesel]

Your first three days of doing H caused dependency??

Well fuckaduck and Christonabike!!


Doc

[okie dokie]

Hey, Okie, mMaybe he never takes opiates

Hi Okie-Maybe your friend is just too stupid to realize he's WDing?-lol:D..

he does take tabs and yes he is too stupid to realize

[Swellin]

5 weeks might be long for some i guess but for me i was taking morphine on and off for about 3 months than started daily dosing and after about 6months i had to suddenly quit and felt no w/d It never even crossed my mind at the time. It just a little while longer and i felt something creep up on me. And that was it sick as a dog if i dont dose every 24 -36 hours

[Papa Verine]

I was lucky with alcohol for a while. In my younger drinking years I didn't get hangovers. As time (and drinking) went on I started to get them, and they got worse and worse.

If I went out and got smashed tonight I'd feel it for the next 3 days!

I can't drink anymore. It's a blessing!

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Either that, or well... Is it an acquaintance you know well? Cause I have a feeling he's also tried being shot, and had lots of threesomes. . ;)
I've known him for a little over a year and get roxi's from him. His ROA is insufflation. He says sometimes he will take methadone but only for 1 day. But most of the time he says he just takes a ton of vitamins, and gets out and rides his bike. He says he has cravings but 0 W/D.

Thanks for the input guys. I think I might believe the guy actually because why lie about something like that?? This guy is a lot older than me too(45) so that's another reason I think he may be for real.

[doctor diesel]

Forty-five??!! Fuck me, that's old!!

Doc

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Forty-five??!! Fuck me, that's old!!

Doc

Naw that's not old at all.:p Seriously, you'd never guess ole boy was 45. He can hang with me(27) all day long AND NOT W/D!!! Fucking lucky bastard!!

[doctor diesel]

Okay. Well maybe it's something you develop with age then. Eh Duckfeet?

Not that I have.


Doc.

[wisegal]

For quite awhile I wasnt using ALL the time.. it was very up and down like for 5 days i'd use then for 3-4 i wouldnt then I'd use for a week straight, then a week off... and i was doing anywhere from 30-120mgs. oxy a day and didnt ever get withdrawals.

I miss that

[youwonhundred]

I fucking wish. I'm way too old for this shit, and just when I thought it was mostly over it came back with a fuckin vengeance.

Fuckin amazing how one little pill that I happened to find on the floor of my bedroom made all those nasty feelings go away ain't it.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

I've known him for a little over a year and get roxi's from him. His ROA is insufflation. He says sometimes he will take methadone but only for 1 day. But most of the time he says he just takes a ton of vitamins, and gets out and rides his bike. He says he has cravings but 0 W/D.

Thanks for the input guys. I think I might believe the guy actually because why lie about something like that?? This guy is a lot older than me too(45) so that's another reason I think he may be for real.

AH REASON- that great state of the USA
of DENIAL
only junkies go through WDs
Therefore if I do NOT admit the fact I am in serious withdrawl
THEN I AM NOT A JUNKIE




ER - a penny fer your thoughts :o

[Paregoric Kid]

well I was talking about someone who had a deletion or mutation of the genes that code for the opioid receptors or some other gene that deals with the mechanisms of opioid tolerance. some of these people would likely not even respond to opiates at all, similar to the opioid receptor knockout mice who have their opioid receptor genes deleted. if there are people with mutated or deleted genes that code for the opioid system they may never know it because they aren't likely to use opioids recreationally (most people don't) or even for pain and it would never be known. even if they were prescribed opioids and it caused analgesia and euphoria like a normal person BUT they just didn't develop tolerance and dependence, the likelihood that they would be on opioids long term is unlikely. like I said, such people would have to be VERY rare. like the kids who are born without the ability to feel pain. if we could find such people or at least understand the opioid genes better then we could begin to study how it effects tolerance and dependence, which could someday lead to gene therapy that prevents tolerance or dependence without effecting analgesia and euphoria.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

well I was talking about someone who had a deletion or mutation of the genes that code for the opioid receptors or some other gene that deals with the mechanisms of opioid tolerance. some of these people would likely not even respond to opiates at all, similar to the opioid receptor knockout mice who have their opioid receptor genes deleted. if there are people with mutated or deleted genes that code for the opioid system they may never know it because they aren't likely to use opioids recreationally (most people don't) or even for pain and it would never be known. even if they were prescribed opioids and it caused analgesia and euphoria like a normal person BUT they just didn't develop tolerance and dependence, the likelihood that they would be on opioids long term is unlikely. like I said, such people would have to be VERY rare. like the kids who are born without the ability to feel pain. if we could find such people or at least understand the opioid genes better then we could begin to study how it effects tolerance and dependence, which could someday lead to gene therapy that prevents tolerance or dependence without effecting analgesia and euphoria.
That's like a good and bad thing man. I'd probably lean more toward a good thing considering if my opi receptors were deleted I would never know what the opi euphoria feels like. Then again, after KNOWING now what they feel like it would be a bad thing. Or so my addicted mind tells me :p