Kicking benzo.'s is some scary shit...

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I've talked here & there 'bout coming off a bad xanax/Kpin habit but thought i'd start a thread to share my terrible time @ it!

First off i'm on sub. maitnence an have a pretty bad benzo. habit (anywhere from 8 to 12mgs. of xanax & or 10 to 16mgs. of Kpin's a day) Was not scripted so dose would vary day to day depending on $$ & finding 'em.

So recentlly i went to the e.r. to try an get tappered off, wich i had to go the suicide route do to no insurance & that's pretty much the only way they'll keep ya! I've done this before to kick even a worse habit of benzos. & it worked out well (allmost had 2yrs.) Butthis time 'round tottally sucked, the hospital had fuct the whole taper plan the e.r. Dr. put me down for.
When i made it to my bed in the pysch. unit they were giving me Ativan wich helped the first 2 days but then some nurse decided i should'nt be getting 'em & was cut off allmost 2days before i seen the Dr. & asked what happened to the taper, wich he said iwas suppossed to still be on it & he tried to fix it w/ nurse's!

Now i say tried to fix it cuz he did get me some ativan, but when shifts change other nurse'swould try an fight me 'bout it & it never really worked out right!
So long story short they discharged me when i still was in w/d's & the 2nd day home I wound up having a bad siezure (fell thru the screen door, busted my eye black&blue, put whole in wall & broke cabinet) not to mention threw up all over,& scarred the shit outta my mom& stepdad!

Well I wound up coming too in a ambulance & went to a hospital were they hooked me up to i.v.'s,did a cat scan, e.k.g.'s etc. The Dr. their gave me a script of librium to taper & my mom is controlling it (12 days total, slowly decreasing dose)

So far so good, but just wanted to share my fuct up last few weeks!! Sorry if i started writing a book here!! Take care & God bless everyone!!:)

[Papa Verine]

I really don't see how the nurses could take it upon themselves to change anything your doctor ordered for you. And I also don't see how they could just kick you out of there with no benzos to taper down with.

What the fuck were they thinking?

Librium will help. It's not very good for chasing a buzz but it is good for tapering off benzos/alcohol.

I'd be fuckin pissed if this happened to me!

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I really don't see how the nurses could take it upon themselves to change anything your doctor ordered for you. And I also don't see how they could just kick you out of there with no benzos to taper down with.

What the fuck were they thinking?

Librium will help. It's not very good for chasing a buzz but it is good for tapering off benzos/alcohol.

I'd be fuckin pissed if this happened to me!


When the Dr. went to tell 'em they hid & shut the door's in the 'lil room they had there (i think cuz they felt dumb cuz they fuct up) Mind you i was in the pysch. unit but i'm no "mental" case but they treat ya like one & do not wanna believe anything ya have to say.

Also if i had blue cross& blue shield insurance or something they would wanna kept me as long as possible!

The librium is helping & i'm not looking for a buzz (i'd have to eat whole bottle!) I self admitted myself cuz i want ta get off the benzos.

[EleusisII]

Damn! That's seriously fucked up!
You should get a hold of your chart, and write some letters to complain to the hospital. If you're lucky you might get the nurse fired, or at least the next guy who goes there might get decent treatment.

Have you looked into getting a lawyer? Cause that's so far from safe medical practice, that I wouldn't be surprised if you could sue them for malpractice. Seriously... It doesn't take much effort on your part, and you might end up with a nice check out of your trouble!

[Leave it ta Beaver]

Damn! That's seriously fucked up!
You should get a hold of your chart, and write some letters to complain to the hospital. If you're lucky you might get the nurse fired, or at least the next guy who goes there might get decent treatment.

Have you looked into getting a lawyer? Cause that's so far from safe medical practice, that I wouldn't be surprised if you could sue them for malpractice. Seriously... It doesn't take much effort on your part, and you might end up with a nice check out of your trouble!

They give ya a form to fill out when leaving to rate your stay & I filled that out negativelly, & have thought 'bout a lawyer but am still feeling shitty coming off the benzos. maybe later down the road.

But I also have legal problem's, missed a court date & some other shadey shit!
But yeah, I mainly mailed 'em that letter so the next cat won't have to endure that bullshit!

Wierd thing is i've been @ same hospital for same reason 2 yrs. ago & it went pretty well, that's why I chose 'em ( but to top it off they did not give me my suboxone either ) So I was kicking 2 chemicals, well 3 if ya count cigs.

[hovadagod]

Sounds like you could sue the shit out of the hospital.

[EleusisII]

Yeah, seriously... I almost wish it would have happened to me, if only because I've tried to be on the recieving end of a lawsuit, lol! Do it! Even though you're feeling like shit... Doesn't take much effort, just pick up the yellow pages, and start calling some of the lawyers!

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Sounds like border line mal-practice to me. I'm not sue crazy by any means. But them releasing you early, fucking up your taper plan, and you having a seizure after they sent u home early SCREAMS lawsuit. That shit pissed me off just reading it. I'm so sorry this happened to you and I hope everything will work out. God Bless

[Leave it ta Beaver]

Sounds like border line mal-practice to me. I'm not sue crazy by any means. But them releasing you early, fucking up your taper plan, and you having a seizure after they sent u home early SCREAMS lawsuit. That shit pissed me off just reading it. I'm so sorry this happened to you and I hope everything will work out. God Bless

Thanks for the reply,

My sub. program has me going away for 28 days next week or i'll get da boot, so w/ that coming plus missing a recent court date & a shadey thing i've done recentlly that's bond to catch up to me real soon, i'm hesitant 'bout getting a lawyer (also still feel shitty wich does'nt help)

But maybe after I clear some of the shit mentioned above up i'll look into it, forgot to mention they had me on clonodine for my blood pressure & it still was real high (like 150 over 120 w/ pulse @ 140 @ times) I mean it was close to stroke level's at times & when I went for the siezure it was really close to a stroke!
Scary shit, I tell ya!!!

[hydro chris]

Sounds like border line mal-practice to me. I'm not sue crazy by any means. But them releasing you early, fucking up your taper plan, and you having a seizure after they sent u home early SCREAMS lawsuit. That shit pissed me off just reading it. I'm so sorry this happened to you and I hope everything will work out. God Bless
^plus 1.
best of luck also.

[DanCollins]

Man, benzo w/d scares the shit out of me. I really wish you all the best man, nothing but good luck to you.
and seriously, fuck that hospital situation. that's terrible.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

Man, benzo w/d scares the shit out of me. I really wish you all the best man, nothing but good luck to you.
and seriously, fuck that hospital situation. that's terrible.


Thanks alot DanCollins,
Benzo.'s are the worst drug I've ever kicked, this is not my 1st time going thru it. Out of all drugs i've w/d from (herion, methadone, narcotic pills, coke etc. etc.) these are definitly the worst,& it seems harder this time 'round!
This is I believe my 5th attempt!

Thanks again to you & everyone else for the support!

Take care, beave...

[Tony]

Good luck on dealing with all of your troubles and
good luck on your taper!

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

WOW- I HAD TO READ THIS IN PARTS,
it was so hard to believe, man I really feel for you
A 12 DAY TAPER is awful short IMO

EXACTLY WHAT WAS THEIR REASON FOR NOT GIVING YOU YOUR SUBOXONE???

get a LAWYER, the legal problems are all the more reason to have one, and the fucked up BIG TIME
You do know you could have died
Benzo withdrawals can be fatal, They would have treated you better in jail, they have to because its a medically know fact.
Seriously, Best of luck

[Leave it ta Beaver]

WOW- I HAD TO READ THIS IN PARTS,
it was so hard to believe, man I really feel for you
A 12 DAY TAPER is awful short IMO

EXACTLY WHAT WAS THEIR REASON FOR NOT GIVING YOU YOUR SUBOXNE???

get a LAWYER, the legal problems are all the more reason to have one, and the fucked up BIG TIME
You do know you could have died
Benzo withdrawals can be fatal, They would have treated you better in jail, they have to because its a medically know fact.
Seriously, Best of luck


Yeah 12 days is pretty short, but better then the fuct up 8 days in the hospital, (even if they did the taper rite it would'nt been long enough)

The reason they did not give me my suboxone is cuz they said they had no certified doctor, (Drs. have to go to a class to get certified for bupe. maitnence) But you would think a hospital would be allowed, I mean they have bupe. shots.

I've been to a differ'nt hospitalwhen I wason methadone & they would only give me bupe. shots saying they did not have methadone their, wich is total bullshit! (guess I have bad luck w/ e.r.'s, sometimes)

I have been to the hospital that fuct everything up before when I was on MMT & they gave me my 130mg. dose every morning & tapered me off benzo.'s wich was'nt that bad, that's why I chose 'em again. (but I had a "baby" benzo. habit last time)

Thanks alot for the good luck's, I know I'm gonna need it!

[EleusisII]

^^^^
Word!
so w/ that coming plus missing a recent court date & a shadey thing i've done recentlly that's bond to catch up to me real soon, i'm hesitant 'bout getting a lawyer

Screw that man... A lawyer is only interested in two things. How much money he can get you, and how big of a cut he can take. He doesn't care about any other, ehm, legal issues.
At least get the ball rolling and call around. You never know if there isn't some weird deadline you might miss or they might get rid of your chart or something, and once you'll find one he can always manage to reach you at whatever clinic you're at.
Good luck!

[Cherry's Jubilee]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I didn't look at your location but if you're in the US make a report to JAAHCO or whoever the hospital is accredited by--that's the best initial way to get people jumping.

I'm curious about benzo withdrawal and what it's like and what makes it worse than opiate withdrawal. I've certainly heard that from everyone so I'm not doubting but what does it feel like? It's hard to imagine anything worse than methadone withdrawal! *shudder*

EDIT: oh I see--Baltimore...Here's a link: http://www.jointcommission.org/--most hospitals around here (DC) are accredited by the Joint Commission on Healthcare Accreditation. If you look at the bottom there's a How to Make a Complaint link. Also download the "Know Your Rights" brochure (http://www.jointcommission.org/NR/rdonlyres/58A5230D-3E58-48D8-8114-C95AF53ECA27/0/Speakup_Rights.pdf).

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I didn't look at your location but if you're in the US make a report to JAAHCO or whoever the hospital is accredited by--that's the best initial way to get people jumping.

I'm curious about benzo withdrawal and what it's like and what makes it worse than opiate withdrawal. I've certainly heard that from everyone so I'm not doubting but what does it feel like? It's hard to imagine anything worse than methadone withdrawal! *shudder*


Well in some ways it allmost feels like opiate w/d's but for one it last a long time & gets worse weeks into it, also ya can get pretty shaky/twitchy, vision gets blury/start seeing color's, you can halucinate & the siezures that can come are the scariest!

Not to mention heart rate & anxiety/depression is grueling.
In my my attempts @ kicking benzos. I have had fevers, chills, vomiting, diareha, insomnia, & shit does not seem real! (its a wierd drug to kick) You can actually die from w/d's!

Thanks for the info. Take care, the beave...

[Leave it ta Beaver]

^^^^
Word!


Screw that man... A lawyer is only interested in two things. How much money he can get you, and how big of a cut he can take. He doesn't care about any other, ehm, legal issues.
At least get the ball rolling and call around. You never know if there isn't some weird deadline you might miss or they might get rid of your chart or something, and once you'll find one he can always manage to reach you at whatever clinic you're at.
Good luck!

Your all rite, I should atleast call 'round & see if I could do anything.
Thanks again!

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Your all rite, I should atleast call 'round & see if I could do anything.
Thanks again!

SHIT NO SUB DOC? thats bullshit you have script and sub Dr, they have phone, hopefully one of those idiots knows how to dial it.
the forced you into opiate withdrawal too!!!

I can not Image the pain you must have gone through but you deserve some justice
PLEASE GET A LAWYER- there is major money in this for you, any lawyer would jump on it. The Hospital will quietly buy out, they don't like image tarnish and you can quietly buy a new home, and someone should be held accountable.

ps check make sure they didn't snatch your kidney whilst sleeping;)

[Leave it ta Beaver]

SHIT NO SUB DOC? thats bullshit you have script and sub Dr, they have phone, hopefully one of those idiots knows how to dial it.
the forced you into opiate withdrawal too!!!

I can not Image the pain you must have gone through but you deserve some justice
PLEASE GET A LAWYER- there is major money in this for you, any lawyer would jump on it. The Hospital will quietly buy out, they don't like image tarnish and you can quietly buy a new home, and someone should be held accountable.

ps check make sure they didn't snatch your kidney whilst sleeping;)


The social worker did call an talk to my sub. program, but they(the shitty hospital) said they were not legally allowed to administor it (it was a fuct up time)

But I was allowed to restart my suboxone when I left, but still felt like shit do to the benzo.'s (I was gonna just try an tough it out but had a siezure instead) But atleast that e.r. gave me a script of librium to taper, wich is better than nothing!

[limitless_euphoria]

See if they'd just given you some librium or valium in the first place rather than admitting you, there could have been a huge cost savings. This is why there needs to be healthcare reform. You shouldn't have to threaten SUICIDE just to get treatment. What the fuck is that! I have a lot of republican friends who will argue to the bitter end about it but this is a prime example here of inefficiency in the system as well as what prejudice against addicts does. Why were you on ativan? that makes no sense. When you're tapering someone off benzos typically they do one of two things: 1) a long acting benzo such as valium/librium or 2) they give you topamax.

I suspect if you had great insurance to begin with they would have just done that. But, because it had to be compounded by being treated as a suicide case, look at all the extra shit that had to happen that didn't need to.... a trip to the psych ward, things getting fucked up, a discharge, a seizure, an ambulance ride back to the hospital... what a fucking waste!

I like xannies and k-pins too, fortunately for me I suppose, I don't have enough cash to buy that kind of quantity online and there's Rx monitoring in my state so I'm not taking chances in getting benzos from more than one doctor. I'm happy with what I've got and I already asked for an increase once and got denied. I'm laying off asking for at least another 6-8 months.

I hope everything works out. After all you've been through--do yourself a huge favor--stay away once you're weened.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

See if they'd just given you some librium or valium in the first place rather than admitting you, there could have been a huge cost savings. This is why there needs to be healthcare reform. You shouldn't have to threaten SUICIDE just to get treatment. What the fuck is that! I have a lot of republican friends who will argue to the bitter end about it but this is a prime example here of inefficiency in the system as well as what prejudice against addicts does. Why were you on ativan? that makes no sense. When you're tapering someone off benzos typically they do one of two things: 1) a long acting benzo such as valium/librium or 2) they give you topamax.

I suspect if you had great insurance to begin with they would have just done that. But, because it had to be compounded by being treated as a suicide case, look at all the extra shit that had to happen that didn't need to.... a seizure, an ambulance ride... what a fucking waste!

I like xannies and k-pins too, fortunately for me I suppose, I don't have enough cash to buy that quantity online and there's Rx monitoring in my state so I'm not taking chances in getting benzos from more than one doctor.

I hope everything works out. After all you've been through--do yourself a huge favor--stay away once you're weened.

Your so rite, if I had some good insurance they'd been fightingto keep me as long as possible!

I don't know why they tried using ativan, I've kicked in a state hospital for 30days an they Kpins to taper in wich they have a long half life,

Honestly it also seems that alotta Drs./nurse's do not know what to do w/ a benzo.habit( I mean w/ me trying to kick 'em a handful of time's & researching it myself itseemed I knew more then some of the Drs.)
Not saying i'm smarter then any of 'em, but i've been in w/d's from benzos. before & know it lasts a long time & have looked it up on the web that informed alot!!

Thanks alot for response, so far so good (i'm down to 10mgs. of libriumfor next couple days)

Take care, the beave....

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

The social worker did call an talk to my sub. program, but they(the shitty hospital) said they were not legally allowed to administor it (it was a fuct up time)

But I was allowed to restart my suboxone when I left, but still felt like shit do to the benzo.'s (I was gonna just try an tough it out but had a siezure instead) But atleast that e.r. gave me a script of librium to taper, wich is better than nothing!

THEY ARE A FUCKING HOSIPITAL THEY CAN LEGAL GIVE YOU ANYTHING!!!
LOOK you are so right, they didn't know what or care what they were doing
agree with everything limitless euphoria said
they FUCK UP BIG TIME
See your just another junkie to them,
get a LAWYER -it won't cost you a thing once they hear this
I am not big on sueing just for the fuck of it, but you were seriously wronged
you could have died
and you deserve to be compensated.
and A PLUS is you can use this as a positive , to get off and stay off of benzo
trust me on this, You will be so busy STANDING UP for yourself benzo will fade from memory!
GOOD LUCK WITH THE KICK
I'm pulling for you

[Leave it ta Beaver]

THEY ARE A FUCKING HOSIPITAL THEY CAN LEGAL GIVE YOU ANYTHING!!!
LOOK you are so right, they didn't know what or care what they were doing
agree with everything limitless euphoria said
they FUCK UP BIG TIME
See your just another junkie to them,
get a LAWYER -it won't cost you a thing once they hear this
I am not big on sueing just for the fuck of it, but you were seriously wronged
you could have died
and you deserve to be compensated.
and A PLUS is you can use this as a positive , to get off and stay off of benzo
trust me on this, You will be so busy STANDING UP for yourself benzo will fade from memory!
GOOD LUCK WITH THE KICK
I'm pulling for you


Hey thanks for the encouraging words, I am gonna look into a lawyer & i'm not big into suing either, never liked the cats that sued for the fuck of it! But they did do me pretty wrong & i guess it won't hurt to look into it!

Thanks again, the beave....

[Poppylvr]

I really don't see how the nurses could take it upon themselves to change anything your doctor ordered for you. And I also don't see how they could just kick you out of there with no benzos to taper down with.

What the fuck were they thinking?

Librium will help. It's not very good for chasing a buzz but it is good for tapering off benzos/alcohol.

I'd be fuckin pissed if this happened to me!
In defense of psychiatric nurses, by one who is also a junkie on Suboxone: (And Leave it to Beaver- this is NOT directed only to you)
Most detox regimens are based on how the patient scores on a COWS (opiate withdrawal scoring) or the CIWA (the alcohol detox scoring tool). Our hospital uses the CIWA for benzo w/d because it's similar in some aspects to alcohol wd. These are meant to be an objective tool, but some subjectivity creeps into the scoring. God's Honest truth here: If the nurse doesn't like you or thinks you're a pussy, you may get scored lower than by a compassionate nurse.
How do you get the psych nurse to like you?
Don't tell me your pain is a 15 on the 1-10 scale. If you still have all your body parts and have not just been extricated from an accordioned up car, your pain is no more than a 10. Trust me on this.
Don't be in a nod when you tell me your anxiety is so severe you are frantic. I have been in that same nod, and I know you are concentrating on breathing, not anxious.
Don't whine. The corollary to this is don't hover in the doorway of the nurse's station begging people for drugs. You are here for detox. Not to get high or to feel well. Detox sucks, it's plain and simple. There is nothing we can do for you short of the Waissman method of general anesthesia that will make you feel OK in withdrawal. Accept that you are going to feel like shit in WD's and be grateful for ativan or librium or tramadol or phenergan or clonidine so you don't have to do this cold turkey.
Say thank you once in awhile. Telling me I'm a fucking cold heartless cunt, and I have no idea what agony you are in will not endear you to me. It might even piss me off, ya know? You don't know your nurse's back story, and I am unlikely to share with you the hours I spent hugging the toilet vomiting my guts out in IV drug withdrawal.
All that said, it sounds like your initial hospital detox was mishandled. Even in the prison & jail systems they know how to do benzo withdrawal because it can indeed kill you by seizures. At my hospital, depending on the level of the patients habit we usually do 2 mg ativan every 4 hours for 24, then every 6 for 24, then every 8 for 24, then 1 mg every 8, then 1mg twice a day then 1 mg/day then off. Takes about 8-10 days depending on how the addict tolerates the rapid wean. Our docs do a rapid wean with lots of comfort meds.
You will NOT be comfortable on this wean, but you will almost never have a seizure.
As far as not giving you your suboxone - my hospital has most of the shrinks suboxone certified. And it can be given up to 72 hours by a non certified doc in an emergency situation - say where you are hospitalized for benzo detox - so they clearly fumbled there.
I don't think you have any grounds for a lawsuit - you did not suffer permanent damage. I would work more on your recovery than worrying about legal issues. I hope you are feeling better:)

[Leave it ta Beaver]

In defense of psychiatric nurses, by one who is also a junkie on Suboxone: (And Leave it to Beaver- this is NOT directed only to you)
Most detox regimens are based on how the patient scores on a COWS (opiate withdrawal scoring) or the CIWA (the alcohol detox scoring tool). Our hospital uses the CIWA for benzo w/d because it's similar in some aspects to alcohol wd. These are meant to be an objective tool, but some subjectivity creeps into the scoring. God's Honest truth here: If the nurse doesn't like you or thinks you're a pussy, you may get scored lower than by a compassionate nurse.
How do you get the psych nurse to like you?
Don't tell me your pain is a 15 on the 1-10 scale. If you still have all your body parts and have not just been extricated from an accordioned up car, your pain is no more than a 10. Trust me on this.
Don't be in a nod when you tell me your anxiety is so severe you are frantic. I have been in that same nod, and I know you are concentrating on breathing, not anxious.
Don't whine. The corollary to this is don't hover in the doorway of the nurse's station begging people for drugs. You are here for detox. Not to get high or to feel well. Detox sucks, it's plain and simple. There is nothing we can do for you short of the Waissman method of general anesthesia that will make you feel OK in withdrawal. Accept that you are going to feel like shit in WD's and be grateful for ativan or librium or tramadol or phenergan or clonidine so you don't have to do this cold turkey.
Say thank you once in awhile. Telling me I'm a fucking cold heartless cunt, and I have no idea what agony you are in will not endear you to me. It might even piss me off, ya know? You don't know your nurse's back story, and I am unlikely to share with you the hours I spent hugging the toilet vomiting my guts out in IV drug withdrawal.
All that said, it sounds like your initial hospital detox was mishandled. Even in the prison & jail systems they know how to do benzo withdrawal because it can indeed kill you by seizures. At my hospital, depending on the level of the patients habit we usually do 2 mg ativan every 4 hours for 24, then every 6 for 24, then every 8 for 24, then 1 mg every 8, then 1mg twice a day then 1 mg/day then off. Takes about 8-10 days depending on how the addict tolerates the rapid wean. Our docs do a rapid wean with lots of comfort meds.
You will NOT be comfortable on this wean, but you will almost never have a seizure.
As far as not giving you your suboxone - my hospital has most of the shrinks suboxone certified. And it can be given up to 72 hours by a non certified doc in an emergency situation - say where you are hospitalized for benzo detox - so they clearly fumbled there.
I don't think you have any grounds for a lawsuit - you did not suffer permanent damage. I would work more on your recovery than worrying about legal issues. I hope you are feeling better:)


Not sure about the test you refer too, but they went by my vitals(wich were very high the whole time) & the couple times they did ask the rate of pain I said 5 to 6. Also I was very polite to all the nurses, even when they cut me off & finally had the e.r. doctor kinda fix thier mistakes ( I say kinda cuz some nurses still fought me on the taper, even though my vitals were high)

But honestly when they cut me off allmost 2 days I was trying to tough it out, till Istarted feeling shitty & seeing color's! Alls I know is it was a fuct up ordeal& I regret going!!

Thanks for hoping i feel better, its slow going but feel better then before!

[Poppylvr]

Not sure about the test you refer too, but they went by my vitals(wich were very high the whole time) & the couple times they did ask the rate of pain I said 5 to 6. Also I was very polite to all the nurses, even when they cut me off & finally had the e.r. doctor kinda fix thier mistakes ( I say kinda cuz some nurses still fought me on the taper, even though my vitals were high)

But honestly when they cut me off allmost 2 days I was trying to tough it out, till Istarted feeling shitty & seeing color's! Alls I know is it was a fuct up ordeal& I regret going!!

Thanks for hoping i feel better, its slow going but feel better then before!
I'm glad you're better LITB - I really do understand how miserable it is. And I apologize for all the nurses we junkies have to meet who judge us immediately and treat us like dog shit on their shoes. As a nurse who now helps detox lots of people, I try to be very compassionate and caring - until I'm pushed against the wall by being treated like a piece of dog shit on someone's shoe:rolleyes:
Not an excuse, and OT - just an FYI - I signed on to care for schizophrenics and people with severe psychotic disorders. We now get lots of detoxers on my highly acute unit and we really aren't trained well in how to treat detoxers. Give me someone who is talking with the little green beings I can't see, and I know what to do. Sadly, our detox unit is full to overflowing and now addicts get sent to my unit. I KNOW it's pretty frightening for most of the detoxers to have to interact with my usual patients...

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

I'm glad you're better LITB - I really do understand how miserable it is. And I apologize for all the nurses we junkies have to meet who judge us immediately and treat us like dog shit on their shoes. As a nurse who now helps detox lots of people, I try to be very compassionate and caring - until I'm pushed against the wall by being treated like a piece of dog shit on someone's shoe:rolleyes:
Not an excuse, and OT - just an FYI - I signed on to care for schizophrenics and people with severe psychotic disorders. We now get lots of detoxers on my highly acute unit and we really aren't trained well in how to treat detoxers. Give me someone who is talking with the little green beings I can't see, and I know what to do. Sadly, our detox unit is full to overflowing and now addicts get sent to my unit. I KNOW it's pretty frightening for most of the detoxers to have to interact with my usual patients...

Intersting, what is the reason, (OR YOU OPINION) for the rise in detoxers.
Certianly you have no need to apologize for other mistakes, you have taken care of your own,HIGHLY RESPECTED.

BY the way Beav , my heart goes out to your parents as well, must have been horifying to them, I'm sure they could not help but think you were on the way out, DID They call 911???

[Poppylvr]

Intersting, what is the reason, (OR YOU OPINION) for the rise in detoxers.
Certianly you have no need to apologize for other mistakes, you have taken care of your own,HIGHLY RESPECTED.
I don't know why there's such an increase. It's baffling to everyone from admin on down. I will tell you though, that >90% of the folks who come in to detox have insurance (someone to pay the bill), and they don't come in as a detox only patient. Insurance won't pay for detox only, but if you're "suicidal" they'll pay for your admission and then oh by the way you get detoxed.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

I don't know why there's such an increase. It's baffling to everyone from admin on down. I will tell you though, that >90% of the folks who come in to detox have insurance (someone to pay the bill), and they don't come in as a detox only patient. Insurance won't pay for detox only, but if you're "suicidal" they'll pay for your admission and then oh by the way you get detoxed.

Yeah, I kind of had a feeling "suicidal" was going to be in your answer.
should NOT have to be that way, hope change is coming

[Leave it ta Beaver]

Intersting, what is the reason, (OR YOU OPINION) for the rise in detoxers.
Certianly you have no need to apologize for other mistakes, you have taken care of your own,HIGHLY RESPECTED.

BY the way Beav , my heart goes out to your parents as well, must have been horifying to them, I'm sure they could not help but think you were on the way out, DID They call 911???


yeah thay did call 911 & it sacred theshit outta them, thay let my mom drive in the front, I only remember going to my mom & saying I did not feel rite & i'm seeing color's & did not come around till In the ambulance an still was in adaze!

The whole ordeal was scary as hell!