escaping death with opiates

[nuts4roxies]

ok so my dog is being put down tomorrow i have had him for 13 years and he is more then family to me so upon hearing this my friend who has come into some roxies said he was sorry i informed my friend that i would be needing a few roxies on saturday because it will help take my mind off of my dog my friend informs me he will not be selling me anything because it is wrong to use drugs to escape the pain of life or losing a loved one besides the fact that i have seen him used drugs for these exact reasons i was unable to get him to budge and left his house extremely pissed

This is a big problem because now i have no way to get any opiates my question is do any of you think i am in the wrong for using my doc to try and escape the pain of losing my dog or am i in the wrong for wanting to take my mind off it

[Opiyum]

Not at all wrong. That's all we ever use opiates for is to escape emotional, physical and spiritual pain.
Your dealer is an asshole and just playing god.
It's not up to him to determine if your use is justified or not.
I would find someone to buy them from him for you or find a new connect.

[hydro chris]

yup..its just an excuse to use,and a temporary fix anyway.
sorry to hear about your dog tho. wish him peace.

[nick]

ok so my dog is being put down tomorrow i have had him for 13 years and he is more then family to me so upon hearing this my friend who has come into some roxies said he was sorry i informed my friend that i would be needing a few roxies on saturday because it will help take my mind off of my dog my friend informs me he will not be selling me anything because it is wrong to use drugs to escape the pain of life or losing a loved one besides the fact that i have seen him used drugs for these exact reasons i was unable to get him to budge and left his house extremely pissed

This is a big problem because now i have no way to get any opiates my question is do any of you think i am in the wrong for using my doc to try and escape the pain of losing my dog or am i in the wrong for wanting to take my mind off it

No disrespect,man,but your friend is a god damn idiot.

[30_Units]

That's fucked.

Who is he to decide how you use your dope? Damn Leotarded.

If one was to break his leg, would he say-"no-you need to feel the pain of living, it's wrong to try and escape such an experience!"

What an ass.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

No I do'nt think your wrong, thats why most of us use in the 1st place! Plus your friend is being a hypocrite(spelling?)

[nuts4roxies]

thanks for the support guys and yeah he is an ass but he comes from a loving place i glad to see you guys agree he had me thinking i was mad fuck up cuz i wanted to escape for a little while and i think im gonna take the advice of having a third party i know go to him but if that doesnt work then im just gonna watch my red hot chili peppers live at slane castle dvd always makes me feel better like i said thanks for the support

[youwonhundred]

Find a new dealer. That dude sounds like a fucking retard. We're all trying to escape something.

[I-Nod]

Is it possible that your friend just doesn't want to get off of any of his roxies, so he uses that lame excuse? Can't think of any other scenario that would warrant a Rox-block...

[nuts4roxies]

nah hes not like that been friends a long time and he has always been more then willing to sell me some and i know he still has a good amount left its just for some reason he wont budge on this he has the problem of thinking he always knows whats best even if he doesnt follow the rule of whats best a few months ago i tried kicking and when i gave up he waited a month before he would sell to me again but two weeks ago when he ran outta money and had to kick

He came to me three days in to wds and i handed him enough to last a week and he acts like it didnt even happen but hes my boy just like tommy said in trainspotting "what can you do hes a mate" you gotta take the good with the bad

[nick]

You should point out to your friend that the philosophy he's espousing has a nasty habit of coming back and haunting one.

[duck]

do I think you're in the wrong for wanting to use opiates to ease the pain of watching a loved one die? No, I don't think you're wrong at all. It's not my place to judge your choices; however, even judging the act objectively, I don't think it is inherently wrong or immoral or bad. Some people just simply prefer to not feel that sort of pain and I can understand that.

Me, personally, these kinds of things are not what I want to use opiates for. I vow to not get high when my dog dies. It will be the worst emotional/spiritual pain I have ever felt (barring any other horrible events that could happen between now and then) and that is why it is so important that I expereince it.

In my world view, the pain and utter desperation one feels when they lose someone is essential to the beauty of love and life. I feel that it is hard to truly understand the depth and meaning of love in life if you do not have it ripped from your arms at some point. It may sound morbid but it's how I feel. Opiates, by a factor of at least 97%, rip these deep, essential emotions from your life. With shit like work, bills, money etc. that's a great asset -- but with vital sadness and despair, it can totally destroy your perspective on life.

I know it sounds cliche, but you can't really understand love and life if you don't know solitude and death.

[JonnyMohawk]

He sounds like a real tool...

Lecturing you on how to deal with the issues in your life.

We all have different ways we deal with emotional trauma, and who the fuck is he to think his way his superior?

Even his whole premise is false about 'escaping pain'... You are, and are going to continue to experience that pain before and after you take any substances...

and again if it can help alleviate some of the pain who the fuck is he to decide you should suffer?

[nick]

do I think you're in the wrong for wanting to use opiates to ease the pain of watching a loved one die? No, I don't think you're wrong at all. It's not my place to judge your choices; however, even judging the act objectively, I don't think it is inherently wrong or immoral or bad. Some people just simply prefer to not feel that sort of pain and I can understand that.

Me, personally, these kinds of things are not what I want to use opiates for. I vow to not get high when my dog dies. It will be the worst emotional/spiritual pain I have ever felt (barring any other horrible events that could happen between now and then) and that is why it is so important that I expereince it.

In my world view, the pain and utter desperation one feels when they lose someone is essential to the beauty of love and life. I feel that it is hard to truly understand the depth and meaning of love in life if you do not have it ripped from your arms at some point. It may sound morbid but it's how I feel. Opiates, by a factor of at least 97%, rip these deep, essential emotions from your life. With shit like work, bills, money etc. that's a great asset -- but with vital sadness and despair, it can totally destroy your perspective on life.

I know it sounds cliche, but you can't really understand love and life if you don't know solitude and death.

Sounds Cliche........yep.

[port rhombus]

... he will not be selling me anything because it is wrong to use drugs ... i have seen him used drugs for these exact reasons ...

Your friend sounds selfish.

[nuts4roxies]

do I think you're in the wrong for wanting to use opiates to ease the pain of watching a loved one die? No, I don't think you're wrong at all. It's not my place to judge your choices; however, even judging the act objectively, I don't think it is inherently wrong or immoral or bad. Some people just simply prefer to not feel that sort of pain and I can understand that.

Me, personally, these kinds of things are not what I want to use opiates for. I vow to not get high when my dog dies. It will be the worst emotional/spiritual pain I have ever felt (barring any other horrible events that could happen between now and then) and that is why it is so important that I expereince it.

In my world view, the pain and utter desperation one feels when they lose someone is essential to the beauty of love and life. I feel that it is hard to truly understand the depth and meaning of love in life if you do not have it ripped from your arms at some point. It may sound morbid but it's how I feel. Opiates, by a factor of at least 97%, rip these deep, essential emotions from your life. With shit like work, bills, money etc. that's a great asset -- but with vital sadness and despair, it can totally destroy your perspective on life.

I know it sounds cliche, but you can't really understand love and life if you don't know solitude and death.


I do agree with alot of what your saying and i do know the ultimate the despair when you face death and losing a loved one i was eleven years old when my friends mother took her life she was like a mother to me took me a whole year before i was even semi normal again and that was before opiates entered my life but i do agree that death is beautiful it is essential to life just as grief is to joy but i have had alot of loss already not to say my life is terriable i mean im alive that right there is just fucking awesome

But i dont think im escaping anything i could down a whole medicine cabniet and still be able to do nothing but be sad about my dog its just opiates help its also doesnt help that all my friends are going to a buckethead concert tomorrow so i wont even have them to help cheer me up

[duck]

Sounds Cliche........yep.

I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean here -- are you being sarcastic? If not, do you disagree that feeling horrible pain due to losing someone you love is an important part of life?

Or were you just being a douche?

[nick]

I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean here -- are you being sarcastic? If not, do you disagree that feeling horrible pain due to losing someone you love is an important part of life?

Or were you just being a douche?

No,I'm agreeing with YOU.

You said your post sounded like a cliche and it DOES.

[Duckfeet]

I'da got the drugs: fuck a bunch of rhetoric...I'm not buying the "he's my friend," shit, either: he just didn't want to get off some roxis...just another silly argument on the road to saying "no."...but I wouldn't probably have shared either, for that reason...deaths, tragedy, sadness...all that, that's one thing...sharing dope is whole other thing...once you start getting into "reasons" for wanting dope, you open yourself up for the counter-argument, which is all it sounds like...only reason to share dope is because another junky is in serious dope need and to make money...and even then, good friends can be tight: tomorrow comes....sorry about your dog, tho...

[nuts4roxies]

well i just talked to him to try and convince him to sell me them he still wouldnt but this is what was sad and i thought it was funny so im gonna post it here

Me-well what about the time i came over and your were so high you couldnt lift your drink to your mouth without nodding out and you said the only reason you got that was cuz you were sad about your family life

Him- that was different

Me- how?

Him- Because im not you

I dont know it got me pissed but i kinda laughed at the stupidty of it

[skeezerjohns22]

Since when did a dealer give a fuckshit about his customers problems?

Friend or not, he sells roxi's and you are a customer.

[nuts4roxies]

I'da got the drugs: fuck a bunch of rhetoric...I'm not buying the "he's my friend," shit, either: he just didn't want to get off some roxis...just another silly argument on the road to saying "no."...but I wouldn't probably have shared either, for that reason...deaths, tragedy, sadness...all that, that's one thing...sharing dope is whole other thing...once you start getting into "reasons" for wanting dope, you open yourself up for the counter-argument, which is all it sounds like...only reason to share dope is because another junky is in serious dope need and to make money...and even then, good friends can be tight: tomorrow comes....sorry about your dog, tho...

I understand what your trying to say but three things he is my friend i have known him over half my life and we have always been mad close at one point he was living with me his family is my family and mine his which is one of the reasons he acts like this because he sees me as a younger brother

Secondly there was never any sharing talked about i wanted to pay for my roxis

Thirdly i never said oh i want drugs on saturday to ease the pain he assumed this because he knew about my dog

Thanks for your condolences

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Your friend is a fuckin idiot.

Find another dealer.

[God_Albino]

the last couple major funerals i went to were cushioned by opiates, but that only puts off the negative feelings till a later time; you'll have to deal with the loss eventually, and it's better to do it when others around can empathize and you're clean, vs. next time you're in w/d's (i don't know your using pattern or if you got a habit now, if he expects you to be sick during this, that's another matter)

your friend could have learned something from his 'mistakes', if running from pain with drugs is indeed a mistake and not a healthy way to deal with grief. he could be an idiot, but treating him like he owes you something because of a dead pet is also asnine. i'm sorry for your loss and don't want to be a fucker in sad times, but when the loss clears you might view the situation differently.

you can put off things like this as long as you want, days, weeks, years, but at some point there's going to be a chink in your chemical shield.

[nuts4roxies]

i wish i could but opies are hard to find where i live ive been lucky to have some pretty good dealers that lasted a while but some got locked up and others got clean i usally takes me a week or so to find a new guy and thats when im busting my ass to find one and my friend has had for a while so i havent needed to find anyone else

[Duckfeet]

I understand what your trying to say but three things he is my friend i have known him over half my life and we have always been mad close at one point he was living with me his family is my family and mine his which is one of the reasons he acts like this because he sees me as a younger brother

Secondly there was never any sharing talked about i wanted to pay for my roxis

Thirdly i never said oh i want drugs on saturday to ease the pain he assumed this because he knew about my dog

Thanks for your condolences

O.K.: I guess I've just always known the other kind of dope fiend...and I've heard people use any and every sad event you can imagine, to talk/buy someone into selling drugs. And I've heard the most plausible credible reasons from someone who doesn't want to sell, too...

A junky need trumps everything, in my experience. Probably why it's hard for me to get my head around this. Sounds somewhat like innocence, at best, I guess. On both sides. Arguments about escaping death, or bearing up under death, get meaningless after enough years strung out...a guy who sells dope, getting moralistic and philosophical...well, I've heard that, but usually it's what you put up with in order to score...what if you were kicking, and your dog got well?.. or decided you wanted dope, just because you wanted dope...would that change things? And how long do you have to grieve before he figures you are o.k. to sell to again?

I'm not questioning your friendship, or very real sadness, btw, over your dog: I get that...it's just this is first time I've heard something like this treated this way...

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

If this is how your friend acts, I would most definitely have a back up. Best advice is next time when you score don't say shit other than you want to get high.

[nuts4roxies]

you can put off things like this as long as you want, days, weeks, years, but at some point there's going to be a chink in your chemical shield.

i like how you put that but as far as him owing me he doesnt im am more then willing to pay i never ask him to just give me pills the most i do is ask for credit ever once in a while

[30_Units]

I had meant to say this in my previous posts, Sorry about your dog. Mine are getting up there and this is the kind of stuff I hate thinking about. My condolences.

Just remember this next time he's hurting. Throw the "Because I'm not you" in his face.

I have a hard time staying friends with people who are consistently dicks. People need to learn that acting like a dick and not a friend is a good way to losing a friendship.

Granted, I'm only going by what you've told us, I know nothing else of this guy....But if this is any indication-this guy sounds like a fuck who doesn't deserve your friendship or business.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

ITS YOUR RIGHT TO TAKE THEM, NOTHING WRONG WITH COPE WITH PAIN IN WITH PAIN KILLERS.
History has a hundred and Hundreds of years of using drugs at funeral and deaths.
WAKES, FAMILY GROUPING AFTER FUNERAL EVERYONE GETTING DRUNK.
YEA ALCOHOL is the DOC there
I would rather see you on a few roxis than drunk of our mind.

So kick your friend in the balls , ask him if that hurt,
Then kick in balls again and take a few roxis and leave an IOU
If he is a REAL friend maybe he will start to understand, and stop being a control freak.
Its your RIGHT, it your mind and body, DEATH is hard
Hope you find some peace

[nuts4roxies]

So kick your friend in the balls , ask him if that hurt,
Then kick in balls again and take a few roxis and leave an IOU


Thank you for that you made me laugh hysterically for like 5 mins
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has posted you have been very helpful and kind with your support and to those of you who did not agree with me fuck you for having a different opinion jk i understand everybody sees things differently and you were very polite in the way you said you did not agree thank you all for your condolences you have all made what is going to be a very long night a little bit better

[duck]

I do agree with alot of what your saying and i do know the ultimate the despair when you face death and losing a loved one i was eleven years old when my friends mother took her life she was like a mother to me took me a whole year before i was even semi normal again and that was before opiates entered my life but i do agree that death is beautiful it is essential to life just as grief is to joy but i have had alot of loss already not to say my life is terriable i mean im alive that right there is just fucking awesome

But i dont think im escaping anything i could down a whole medicine cabniet and still be able to do nothing but be sad about my dog its just opiates help its also doesnt help that all my friends are going to a buckethead concert tomorrow so i wont even have them to help cheer me up

Yeah yeah yeah -- I hear you completely. I was in no way advocating my approach as something you should do, or that it was "right." It was just my two cents is all.

[Reveller]

do any of you think i am in the wrong for using my doc to try and escape the pain of losing my dog or am i in the wrong for wanting to take my mind off it

nuts4roxies -- It's sad that we've had 2 of this same type of thread now this week. If you haven't read it, Spider also lost his dog, Misty, this week. I'm so sorry you have to go through the same thing.

Without going into a long thing here, I will reference my post (http://forum.opiophile.org/showpost.php?p=420885) in his thread, where I noted I chose not to do opiates the day my dog died, despite being extremely upset since she had been with me for her whole life and half of my life. Now, again, I use the word chose, as I had plenty of oxy & tea available at the time, and I believe some benzos as well. My reasoning for using nothing was simply that I wanted to be fully present and mentally clear for the whole experience, as it was a serious day and a big part of my life. In fact, I didn't use any drugs at all, for several weeks after the death of my dog. I realize we use drugs every day to escape, but on that particular day I just didn't want to escape, as much as it hurt. Sometimes feeling anything is better than feelin dull & slightly good.

That was my choice, and it was right for me at the time. That does not mean that the same choice is right for you. So, do whatever you feel comfortable with. In cases such as this, I don't believe there is a "right" or "wrong" -- it's simply a matter of your preference.

With regards to your friend... normally I'd say its fucked up for someone to withold drugs from you, especially if you're willing to pay, as long as you are a mentally stable adult who can choose for himself. In his defense though, I'll say that if he's a close & longtime friend who knows you very well, perhaps he is not trying to be be a dick or "be preachy", as some people here have suggested. Maybe he's just trying to look out for you. He could think you'll be so upset after your dog dies that you would do something reckless, such as OD'ing, either intentionally, or accidentally if you weren't paying attention to dose.

If thats the case, I'm sure he'd be willing to sell or even give you some Roxis when you're feeling better. So don't try to look for reasons to be pissed at him right now, since you're already upset enough as it is, because of your dog. Don't let some stupid bullshit like this push you guys apart when he might just be trying to do the right thing, in his mind. All of this is just me guessing though, as I don't know the whole situation.

Whatever happens, I wish the best to you and your dog. take care man...

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Thank you for that you made me laugh hysterically for like 5 mins
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has posted you have been very helpful and kind with your support and to those of you who did not agree with me fuck you for having a different opinion jk i understand everybody sees things differently and you were very polite in the way you said you did not agree thank you all for your condolences you have all made what is going to be a very long night a little bit better

You very welcome man,
LAUGHING IS GOOD TOO
(i won't tll you how serious i was with that,lol)
so HEY if you can not get the roxis come back here and we all will put a smile on you:)

I am so sorry for what you have to go through, MY 2 BEST FRIENDS , MY 2 Cats
spend $5,000 last year on one to keep alive, at the expensens of dental work need ,lost two teeth - keep my best friend, I would do again in a heart beat

[Morfiend]

Not wrong to use drugs to escape, but definitely counterproductive and reinforces taking this route in the future.

[nuts4roxies]

thanks alot man and as for your guess you should become a mind reader because you were basically spot on and also i would never go as far to say i dont want to be friends over a stupid drug i mean opiates are an amazing beautiful thing but compare nothing to friend who is basically a brother which i have been lucky enough to have 5 of them but like i said i appreciate your input thanks for the condolences and im sorry you lost your dog also i hope he is in very peaceful places and also hopefully my dog your dog and spiders dog will be chilling up above in a diesel field with anything they could ever want

[duck]

No,I'm agreeing with YOU.

You said your post sounded like a cliche and it DOES.

don't troll, bro.

[nuts4roxies]

You very welcome man,
LAUGHING IS GOOD TOO
(i won't tll you how serious i was with that,lol)
so HEY if you can not get the roxis come back here and we all will put a smile on you:)

I am so sorry for what you have to go through, MY 2 BEST FRIENDS , MY 2 Cats
spend $5,000 last year on one to keep alive, at the expensens of dental work need ,lost two teeth - keep my best friend, I would do again in a heart beat


I figured you were serious but even the most serious thing can be funny and i have 2 cats also there almost as good as dogs believe me im planning it the chance of me getting roxies is slim to none

[hydro chris]

beside the fact of your poor dog,
when will/would it be alright for him, to start to sell you something again?
2 days, week??

sound like he has some kind of control problem..

it just doesnt make much sense to me, somethings missing?

anyways if it was me, i would just kick my boy a few just for the hell of it. if it made him feel better.. cool.

no i dont think its right to numb the pain,
it something youll have to deal wit at some point anyway
i dont mine helpin someone out during hard times like with what you have to deal with..
i just dont get? who does he thinks he is? wit about the way you wanna handle you own situation?

he just sound like a person that like to- HATE- and not like to see people do good.
anyways sorry man, best of luck!!

[OxyBlowBall2]

man im so sorry about what you are going through. i had to put one of my dogs down a couple of months ago. i grew up with that dog. that afternoon though i ended up getting some h for the first time in a couple years and didnt know we were actually going to put my dog down that night. i had friends over too when it was decided we were going to put her down. being high did make it a lot easier to deal with and helped me not cry in front of my friends so i def understand how you would want to have some roxi's for that occasional because it is really hard to go through. i hope something works out for you man and my condolences to you and your family. i know its really hard bro. keep your head up.