What the fuck is this?!?

[EleusisII]

Help me to understand what's going on here, fellow opi-brothers and sisters!
Yesterday at night +36 hours into withdrawals, manage to score 60 MScontin 60, race to faraway pharmacy go! go! go! It's the only one I can find with that strength, but they only had ten left. Better than nothing, and thank god I'll feel better soon!

3 am: Leave store. Crush up 6 and eat them, wash down with Red Bull.
3.10: That shit won't cut it, so my inner junkie comes up with a new plan. Eat 2 more, and leave 2 for a nice noontime railing tomorrow. Pray to god I won't throw up.
3.30: Home at last, fuuuck, why aren't I feeling any better?!? Lie down with a sore stomach.
4.00: Time to hit plan B! Crush up remaining two MSCs, rail 1,5, lie down and wait to feel better again.
4.15: Crawl back to desk, lick it clean of remaining morphine, get something to drink, invoke all of the opy-gods!
5.00: FINALLY feeling better, slight buzz coming on. Remaining stomach ache gone!

Why the hell did it take so long?!? Or is it a quantity-issue? Last time I was in a similar situation, it also took over 1,5 hours and 12 MSContins to make me feel like a human being. My normal Oxy dose is 3-5 OC40, but here's the thing... On Oxys I get better in 10-15 minuttes, and don't have to take more than 5 to get a good buzz on after being in WDs.

What do you guys think, quantity or time?

[30_Units]

you waited a total of an hour, for oral morph. So many things can influence absorption.

It's a junky thing I'm betting. You didn't get the same effects as oc's, so they must be bunk and need more, obviously.

Junky logic at it's best.


Wait longer next time and don't expect them to kick in in ten minutes. A big part of the relief you feel from oc's could be attributed to psychology. Morphine's not as good, so "of course you're gonna need to eat all ten."

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

AH man sorry to hear you were sick, Had no idea, still pretty funny even in WDs

Yeah oral morphine always seem to take at the LEAST 1 hour to start setting in even in minor stage , that excess yawning, the the first, and takes about 1 hour to stop- 2 hours good to go. ON the PLUS side legs are much longer than OCs. But two completely different feelings. HOPE you stay well as long as you can.

And where did Barney go? Just time for a change???

[Swellin]

It must have something to do with body chemistry because ive been on oxy and morphine albeit morphine a much longer time and i get the 60mg mscontins as well its most def a different brand so maybe that has something to do with it but when i take them i crush and parachute and it takes about 15min for me to get a glow and then i start to peak at the 25min mark. Oxy feels exactly the same to me as morphine does, and kicks in at about the same time maybe a few min less weird.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

For me oxy's work better & make me feel better than M.S. contin's do, not to say I do not like 'em because I can get off on 'em but it seem's to take more & it's a differ'nt buzz, I'm on sub. maitnence & last time I used I went 24 hrs. w/out bupe. Then I ate 3-30mg.'s & sniffed 2- 30 mg.'s of m.s. contin's along w/ 8mg.'s of Kpins & felt pretty nice that day!!! The pins helped ofcourse but I have a high tolerance w/ benzo.'s & currentlly kicking a bad habit!!!

Well that's my 2 cents, take care!:)

[THEPAINTER1960]

its all about how these drugs go thru your system.when you t ake drugs such as morphine,oxys, must lly all opiods/opiates and eat them you only absorb 20% but if you were to inject morphine,oxys your body absorbs 100 % I TAKE 160 MG. OF METHADONE WHITCH WHEN INJECTED DOES JACK SHIT BUT DRINKIG IT THE WAY I DO ,I ABSORB 100% OF THE METHADONE SORRY,WHEN ON RARE OCCASIONS I BUY A SLAMMIN BAG OF H DO YOU THINK I EAT IT

[EleusisII]

See guys, last night I was quite ready to settle this issue as merely morphine taking awhile to work
(Of course, I pop more and more pills while waiting for it to kick in!)
But today I noticed that it didn't take more than 20 mins to kick in, after I chewed some and swallowed them.

Weird!

I've noticed that I sometimes need more when I've been in wds for awhile. Or maybe it's just the wds that in some way fuck with my receptors?!?

[EleusisII]

its all about how these drugs go thru your system.when you t ake drugs such as morphine,oxys, must lly all opiods/opiates and eat them you only absorb 20% but if you were to inject morphine,oxys your body absorbs 100 % I TAKE 160 MG. OF METHADONE WHITCH WHEN INJECTED DOES JACK SHIT BUT DRINKIG IT THE WAY I DO ,I ABSORB 100% OF THE METHADONE SORRY,WHEN ON RARE OCCASIONS I BUY A SLAMMIN BAG OF H DO YOU THINK I EAT IT

First of all, thanks for the help, but you're really way off on most or all of whatever information you're passing along there. Google the site for "bioavailability".

Second of all:

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4046&stc=1&d=1253894358

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

First of all, thanks for the help, but you're really way off on most or all of whatever information you're passing along there. Google the site for "bioavailability".

Second of all:

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4046&stc=1&d=1253894358

GOD DAMN YOU BET ME TO IT
YEAH MR. PAINTBRUSH -bioavailability OF OXYS ORALY IS WHAT 85ISH
ah - that is WHY THEY MAKE IT:rolleyes:
and you don't get 100% of your done
and I don't want to tell you what I think you do with that once in while BAG.

ELUSIS- YEAH FORGOT TO MENTION, but you hit nail on head - 36 -48 hours into WDS (worst time) EVERY FUCKING RECPRCTOR IS COMPLELETY EMPTY. BODY IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO start up . SOOO you have a lot to fill up before releif kicks in.
Glad you are well!!

[I-Nod]

I've noticed that I sometimes need more when I've been in wds for awhile. Or maybe it's just the wds that in some way fuck with my receptors?!?

Yeah, same here... seems the tanks empty so it takes more to top it off. That is... if it hasn't been all that long.


Morphine sucks rotten badger nads too, tho. Wasn't IVing back when I ran into them, so that could explain it. Always had a hell of a time gettin my head right w/ 'em.

PS: Stupid question, but: did you have to forfeit the other 50 pills, or just wait until they come in? I don't use pharmacies much.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

I HAVE A FEELING - he will get an extra 50 out of it
but yeah good question, In USA take the the 10 give up the rest,
VERY GOOD QUESTION

[EleusisII]

Good to see you again I-nod!

I got the 50 this morning, but I really don't understand what you mean by "In USA take the the 10 give up the rest" Perish the thought! Why would you have to forfeit?!?

YEAH MR. PAINTBRUSH -bioavailability OF OXYS ORALY IS WHAT 85ISH

Very true... And the ba of morphine varies as I understand it, from 30-50% Could be slightly off on that one off the top of my head, but I know that this

I TAKE 160 MG. OF METHADONE WHITCH WHEN INJECTED DOES JACK SHIT

is also absolutely wrong. Methadone has like all other opiates an extremely high bioavailability when IV'd, sorta goes with the teritory. (Some actually prefer to IV it, there's a bunch of old threads about it)

I ABSORB 100% OF THE METHADONE
This has to be a first on Opiophile! Never seen a posters stomach report on its experience! ;)

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Quick answer as I understand it, CII meds have to have hard copy and no refills without new hard copy script, if you take the 10 then they consider giving you what it is THEY don't have, extra 50 - A REFILL, so would need new script from Dr. for extra 50.
Few threads and lots of bitching about it, of course this is where a good relationship with a MOM & POP Pharm comes in handy.
someone else may weigh in?

LMAO- poster stomach report, , thought same -Absorbing

[EleusisII]

Ah, I see! Damn, what a dillema for a junkie... Get well now, or get 5 X well in two days! Evil!

Actually something like that happened to me another time in the states. Pharmacist gave me 8 or so pills to last me till he could fill all 90 the next day (It was Roxis), and didnt give me any shit about it.
Was a little independant place, now I think about it!

[AGV10]

You are comparing chalk with cheese:

Oxy and MST are very different drugs from an uptake perspective.

Oxy has a bio avaliability of between the high 60%'s to the high 80%'s - the variation between indiviudals down to size, metabolism, health status, stomach contents and body mass index.

By contrast MST bio avaliability from oral intake can be as low as the mid-30%'s - ana again, the same influences affect uptake.

Thirdly, they have very different uptake profiles:

Oxy uptake peaks fast and high, then starts to drop down and level off, then very interestingly it starts to climb again, before slowly trailing off.

By contrast MST peaks comparatively slower and much lower - but it also trails off much slower.

This partly accounts for the siginifcant difference in size between the 2 tabs (look how much larger for example the Oxy 80mg tab is than the MST 100mg tab)

These points I think account largerly for your experience