More Good News on Heroin Maintenance

[Duckfeet]

England keeps discovering the obvious, putting it way ahead of the U.S. who keeps fighting the War on Drugs. Legal heroin is cheaper in all ways for a society that has heroin addicts in their midst.

"In its drug strategy, published last year, the government said it would "roll out" the prescription of injectible heroin, subject to the findings of the pilot scheme."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8255418.stm

[jo-jo]

Interesting article. Good for England! The US needs to pull its head out of its ass and take note of these kinds of studies.

[nick]

My mother taught to keep my mouth shut if I had nothing good to say.So,I'm keeping my mouth shut.

[Duckfeet]

Ah, Nick, you're a good egg, and I think I know why you didn't say anything...it's cool: i see the apparent inconsistency and hypocrisy...I'm just not thinking they are as related in this country, as they might be in yours. If you're thinking what I think you are thinking ;) , then I have to say that in *our* country, just like methadone clinics, my hope would be for heroin maintenance to be shuffled into private clinics, which we pay for. Universal health coverage here, I don't think would get us any closer to junkies like me getting what they want...plus you know I just like thinking England's a kinder country, and what works there wouldn't work so good in my dog eat dog land...then again, maybe that's *not* what you're thinking :)

My mother taught to keep my mouth shut if I had nothing good to say.So,I'm keeping my mouth shut.

[robojunkie]

Nick knows what he is talking about...

[OpiateQueen]

Nick knows what he is talking about...
well why won't he tell us then.... I've always wanted to know what the go is with heroin maintenance - and have never found anyone who was or is on it... the only thing i read was an article that said that 70% of the people who participated in the heroin maintenance trial in Australia said they wouldnt do it again..?! Well why the fuck not?? shouldnt it be like heaven?? or at least better than any other crap... the onlky reason i can think of is if they test you for using other shit incl extra heroin and only dose you a tiny amount that barely keeps you well... I wish someone who knows about it would set me straight....??please??

[nick]

well why won't he tell us then.... I've always wanted to know what the go is with heroin maintenance - and have never found anyone who was or is on it... the only thing i read was an article that said that 70% of the people who participated in the heroin maintenance trial in Australia said they wouldnt do it again..?! Well why the fuck not?? shouldnt it be like heaven?? or at least better than any other crap... the onlky reason i can think of is if they test you for using other shit incl extra heroin and only dose you a tiny amount that barely keeps you well... I wish someone who knows about it would set me straight....??please??

I will reply to your message-in MY own good time.

I'll reply personally because I'm a pretty polite guy,if I wasn't I'd tell you to use the search because I've gone into detail MANY times.

[jacky]

if your going to make heroin available.....then it should figure a person should be allowed to utilize oral opium....personally I cant tolerate heroin anymore specifically...it makes me feel very sick compared to standard opiates.
the last 2 times I relapsed around 10-9 years ago, I was sick for a good 24 hours after using the stuff....and once in that time I had to use heroin just to get on the methadone program.

anyway, its brilliant to make heroin a legal altnernative...even if its just for a pilot study.

[OpiateQueen]

I will reply to your message-in MY own good time.

I'll reply personally because I'm a pretty polite guy,if I wasn't I'd tell you to use the search because I've gone into detail MANY times.
ok. Sorry.

[Chipper]

OQ, Try reading some of the Visitor Message (VM) conversations between Nick and other members; I have also asked him a few questions that may be of interest to you.

[skc74]

That latest RIOTT trial they've published results for recently threw up one point i wandered about,and that is,despite receiving optimum doses of IV diamorphine,coupled with oral methadone to bridge the gaps between dosing,practically every single participant admitted to still using street heroin at least once weekly,and although many had cut down,(as well as stopping using crack on top,which i suppose for some who are long-term standard treatment resistant for whom injectable opiates are useful for would be considered an improvement,)they were still scoring from the streets which i thought the whole point of receiving diamorphine is to stop,...sorry for droning on,the point i'm trying to get at,is why when your being scripted pharmaceutical diamorphine would you still be scoring? i've only ever had a 5mg diamorphine ampoule once,and i'm sorry to say i wasted it by trying to chase it on foil,but it did still get me f**ked suprisingly,i suppose i'm answering my own question here,but i presume there's some noticeable difference in brown and diamorphine? am i close Nick?

[opiobsessed]

Hey to the land down under, I've always wanted to visit there and see the cool stuff including trying to find where the heck in the huge desert "our toilet landed when it took off to Australia back in 1986, word had it that it started making a funny noise as the tank was filling up that sounded like a 747 taking off then it just was gone off the floor when I got up that night at 2 am to take a leak" Ha ha just kidding I should write my funny story about "our toilet took off to australia"

Anyway on topic, I wish the heck I could "have my cake and eat it", in otherwords, when I developed such a high tolerance to norco 10/500 and was crazy tolerant and had to take 8 just to get same effect as 1 used to give me and to boot the effects were starting to last only 2 hours and it seemed like the norco just "flooded" my receptors, kind of like when an old carb type car gets gummed up and makes the engine run too rich, too much fuel at once wasting gas.

I felt like thats what my opiate receptors were doing when I got so tolerant to norco, so I feel like resting on your drug of choice is a good idea to clean things out such as when I went on suboxone. But come on, just like you can only clean out a fuel injector or carb just so clean, you can only clear out the receptors of old crap just so much with the naloxone in suboxone, so its pointless to stay on "maintenance" of any opiate in my opinion.

I think the answer is to clear out your receptors and yea its a real bitch, but waiting a year before using the receptors again"if you can manage it" would be great because then you could get blasted like day one all over again. Yes it would catch right up to you again because your brain is used to doing that. But I've noticed for some reason that, when I developed a tolerance to norco to where it was just a waste, I went to subs and felt a nice buzz, then when that completely dissapated I went on mmt, which has also now dissipated itself, so I'm now down to a measly 200mg and they are now getting me down to 150mg by lowering me 10mg every 2 weeks. This monday(tomorrow) I will be at 190. Good thing about that is now I only pay $60 a week instead of $65, big deal, but since I come from a wealthy family, I know how to deal with money.

I think what the US needs to do, is pull its head outta its ass and realize that all opiates should be legalized for maintenance, because I'm sure the dea knows just like me, that when you develop tolerance to one opiate, all you have to do is switch to H or blah blah whatever opiate you have not been on before and you will not crave or be copping anymore. I know that was the case with me, when I went on suboxone maint, I had no cravings for norco anymore because the subs were a new opiate/opioid which kept me clean for a year.

Yea that would be cool if Heroin maintenance came to the US, but just like I said, it would keep tons of people off street dope for maybe a year depending on each person's metabolizim, but then it would be just like any maint opioid program, they would be doing something else to counteract the tolerance to H.

[30_Units]

it's the 6-mam and friends, huuuuurd?