Bit of Help... ?

[Avalik]

Well I've been using morphine for... oh... it's the first drug I did, actually, so it's been a REAL long time. Years and years. Anyways, I guess I've just gotten a little bit bored with morphine... or no, just, tolerant, maybe.
It's just not enough. However morphine's my favourite drug, so I still want to keep to that line of drug.
I was looking through Wikipedia, researching here and there, asking friends, and I came upon the drug Fentanyl. It's pretty much a type of morphine... pain reliever, opiod analgesic, you know. So hope this works for this forum.
Anywho, I quite like the looks of the analogues, which are as listed:
- Alfentanil (Alfenta), an ultra-short acting (5–10 minutes) analgesic,
- Sufentanil (Sufenta), a potent analgesic (5 to 10 times more potent than fentanyl) for use in heart surgery.
- Remifentanil, currently the shortest acting opioid, has the benefit of rapid offset, even after prolonged infusions.
- Carfentanil (Wildnil) is an analogue of fentanyl with an analgesic potency 10,000 times that of morphine and is used in veterinary practice to immobilize certain large animals.
(c) Wikipedia.
Now, the one that is the most tempting is Carfentanil (Wildnil.) However it's pretty powerful, and I can't just go and.. get it. I think.
"Carfentanil citrate is compounded upon prescription in 10 ml multiple use vials. Each ml contains 3 mg ofcarfentanil. In order to obtain Carfentanil citrate, purchasers must have a Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) registration number and be on the DEA’s carfentanil approved user’s list. For additional information or to order, call...." (from wildpharm.com)
It's normally used on animals you see... so yeah. Anyways, I don't think standing around the Art Gallery is going to get me anyways, I highly doubt there's few, or if at all any, drug dealers that sell Carfentanil (Wildnil)
And I obviously just can't... order... it. So, WHERE am I going to get it? I'm not asking for specific people or anything to offer me it, because that's not what this board is for.. -cough- private message -cough- .. lawl... but I was just looking for vague suggestions...
You know like... "Oh just go to this and that pharmacy, they should hand some over." or "Tell a vet your elephant needs some" you know. I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada, just to make things somewhat clearer so you won't be suggesting US Pharmacies and so on.
And as a note: NO, I am NOT willing to go to Mexico. Or leave the country. Or leave the province. I'm not wanting to travel far just to get some drugs, lawl.
Anyways, sorry if this is crossing the line on how to post properly, but it just seems so hopeless as how to get it.

[ZodiacKiller]

Well, I can tell from this, your first post, and from your user profile, that you are an intelligent person, and you'd make a good addition for our little tight-knit community here. So welcome.

I can also tell that you're looking for a specific something here, and unfortunately, that is a strict no-no. Solicitation of any kind is forbidden here, even via PM, and I can tell you that is the fast track to getting ostracized and even banned from the site. We don't want that, and I'm sure you don't, either. And as interesting as I find your first post to be, it is borderline solicitous in and of itself.

You won't find anyone with a hook-up willing to sell you Fentanyl, and you certainly will not find Carfentanil here. That's the stuff dreams are made of, and I doubt you'll find anyone here or elsewhere that has tried it or even would begin to know where to locate it. I wouldn't mind trying it myself. It is common, however, for most bigger cities to have a certain amount of diverted Fentanyl patches (Duragesic, the gel-type, is preferred by most to the Mylan non-gel patches) available on the street. So your best bet would be to look at your own connections and take it from there. Here where I live they are a lot harder to come by than what other members have reported. Which sucks for me.

Anyways, welcome to the board, we hope you stick around; we need productive, intelligent people around here, but again: no solicitation is allowed. Good luck.


ZK

[devilsdrug]

ill just 2nd zk even though i didnt read the post because i fukkin cant read that dinky colored shit

[Adormidera]

Well dude, obviously your best bet is to get a degree in wild animal management or zookeeping or something similar, and then go to work for someone with the proper DEA paperwork. Then, make sure you're the one assigned to load the tranquilizer darts or whatever, and you should be able to skim something off the top there I'm sure. Yes, it would require lots of time, money, and dedication, but any truly worthwhile goal does, no? Just make sure that your first long-awaited trial is not your last, as the possibility of overdose on any drug dispensed in elephant-sized doses seems likely indeed. Happy hunting!

Seriously--have you tried heroin? Generally speaking with it there is no large-wildlife-wrangling involved (or so I hear, anyway)!

[Avalik]

Thanks for responding. Sorry bout' the soliciting, I wasn't 100% sure where the line went. I noticed a board on here that was asking how to get Carfentanil, and they answered and everything.... cept... it was about how to get it in Mexico... so I wasn't sure.

I'll be sure not to do it again, though. ZodiacKiller (or it seems, ZK, would be your nickname) thanks for the compliments. I plan to stick around for awhile -- I'll look into your suggestion on Fentanyl patches. I saw a little article about those in the newspaper awhile ago, and that some kid died from licking it or eating it (whichever.) But it seemed like he had a real powerful one... I clipped it, but I can't quite find it... started with a T and had a name that's longer than most racing horses.

And in response to Adormidera, you have quite the humour! Maybe when I'm sick of my medical job, I'll take up zookeeping, skim some of that tranquilizer like you say. Actually, I could just volunteer at the Vancouver Zoo... they let some 15 year old kid give the monkeys their medications... lawl. That would be a little too illegal for my liking though.

Or I can adopt an hippo! Mmhmm. Some hippo-rescue society you know? SPCA had a baby hippo a year ago.

And yes, I've tried heroin. It's the closest thing to morphine, and just about as good. Hee, anyways, maybe I'll just stick to that. I'll have access to the Sufentanil in a year or two, so I'll be patient.

[ZodiacKiller]

I'll look into your suggestion on Fentanyl patches. I saw a little article about those in the newspaper awhile ago, and that some kid died from licking it or eating it (whichever.) But it seemed like he had a real powerful one.

Well, you gotta realize that Fentanyl (or any of its other forms) is a very powerful opiate. So it's no surprise that some people, not researching what they jam into their mouths or arms, would OD from it. I think it is of the utmost prudence to do just a little basic research on a drug that you haven't tried before, I mean, it's only your life you may be messing with, no big deal...:rolleyes:

Glad to hear you're gonna stick around for a while--this can be a fun and educational place. And sometimes it can be silly, too, but that's why I like it. But you definitely will not find a more knowledgeable group of opi-heads. You'll see after you've been here a little bit. Cheers!


ZK

[superman]

fentanyl's analogues are going to be tighly guarded. to think that the 10ml vial would kill you if you accidently spilled it on yourself for example illustrates why you're going to have a fuck of a hard time getting it.

that being said, these analogues are widely used. if you're resourcefull enough and a good negotiator with money to spare you should be able to buy a connection. living in bc will only make this easier.

but you'll be taking your life into your hands, trust me on that. i had a close call with spilled fentanyl, had it been one of the others i would not be here to talk about it

[handsome rob]

Wow Avalik, Carfentanil is the most serious opiate I've ever heard of and can't imagine how it could safley even be administered in humans. Wild life experts need to pack a seperate dart of 3X narcan/carfentanil just to get the elephants, bears, etc back up. It was even rumoured that carfentanil was used in an aerosal in that russian terrorist crisis in a theater a few years ago (lots died from whatever the agent was).
Anyway you deffinitely won't find it here, not only because it's rare but not allowed. Try a safari...just kidding.

[devilsdrug]

i dont believe that was rumor i thought it was fact

[superman]

i believe what DD believe's is generally believed

[jab]

Tis a fact. Also, recall the story of the guys in the helicopter who were getting ready to take down a rhino and some of the people on the copter started ODing. Apparently a drop of Wildnil strayed somewhere and became aerosalized and just that little bit was enough.

Not something to mess with, or try to score.. But to each his own. Good luck and be safe!!

i dont believe that was rumor i thought it was fact

[Special-K]

Damn, I didn't know Fentanlys was so strong. The pain clinic had me on em a while back.

[handsome rob]

i dont believe that was rumor i thought it was fact

I read it about a year ago and there still hadn't been a conformation by the gov on what drug was used.
I never really looked much further, I'm sure you guys have heard something that I didn't. So it was confirmed, carfentanil? Still curious.

H.R.

[ZodiacKiller]

Tis a fact. Also, recall the story of the guys in the helicopter who were getting ready to take down a rhino and some of the people on the copter started ODing. Apparently a drop of Wildnil strayed somewhere and became aerosalized and just that little bit was enough.
Not something to mess with, or try to score.. But to each his own. Good luck and be safe!!

That is insane! Man, I don't think I need/want to try any opiate that strong. I enjoy being alive and that sounds waaay too dangerous...


ZK

[devilsdrug]

special person we are talking about something different by a facter of 1000

[alowishus]

I read it about a year ago and there still hadn't been a conformation by the gov on what drug was used.
I never really looked much further, I'm sure you guys have heard something that I didn't. So it was confirmed, carfentanil? Still curious.

H.R.

They said it was fent or a type of fent. That's all I ever heard about it, what was it like 300 died or was it 130....fooking memory.....

"Aerosol anesthetic" once the spin dr. got it,

I would have loved to help if my eyes didn't burn out of my head while trying to read the 1st couple words, then I saw it was the same ole shit....feck the rest.
DD handled it quite well I thought. Stayed w/ the tone of ZK


Help?

You're on your own.:violent1:


















Can I suggest maybe next time white fonts on a black background, that'll really fook w/ the eyes!!!:D

[alowishus]

From Wiki:

It was reported that efforts to treat victims were complicated because the Russian government refused to inform doctors what type of gas had been used. At the time, the gas was surmised to be some sort of surgical anesthetic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthetic) or chemical weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_warfare). Foreign embassies in Moscow issued official requests for more information on the gas to aid in treatment, but were publicly ignored.
While still refusing to identify the gas, on October 28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_28) the Russian government informed the US Embassy of some of the gas' effects. Based on this information and examinations of victims, doctors concluded the gas was a morphine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine) derivative.
On Wednesday, October 30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_30), Russia responded to increasing domestic and international pressure with a statement on the unknown gas by Health Minister Yuri Shevchenko (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yuri_Shevchenko&action=edit). He identified it as an aerosol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particulate) of a Fentanyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl) derivative (possibly the large animal immobilant Carfentanil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil)), a powerful opioid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid).
A German toxicology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicology) professor who examined several German hostages said that their blood and urine contained halothane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halothane), a surgical anesthetic not commonly used in the West, and that it was likely the gas had additional components. However, it should be noted that halothane has a strong odor (although often defined as "pleasant" by comparison with other anesthetic gases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_anaesthetic)). Furthermore by the time the whole theatre area would be filled with halothane to a concentration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration) compatible with loss of consciousness (0.5% - 3%), it is likely that terrorists inside would have realized they were being attacked. Additionally, recovery of consciousness is rapid after the flow of gas is interrupted, unlike with high-dose fentanyl administration. Therefore, although halothane might have been a component in the aerosol, it was probably not a major component.

[Opiyum]

Interesting stuff....here's some more on the subject.

Others are more optimistic about the future of incapacitating agents despite the events in Moscow in late 2002 when Russian authorities ended the siege of a theatre using an aerosolised fentanyl derivative, most likely carfentanyl, with devastating results. (120 of the 800 hostages died as a result of exposure to the agent and many survivors needed hospital treatment.


Stanley, T. (2003) Human immobilization: is the experience in Moscow just the beginning? European Journal of Anaesthesiology. 20, pp. 427-8.

[Hammilton]

I thought it was a mix of a fentanyl analogue and a benzodiazepine. The goal wasn't to kill everyone, but to be able to revive them. I sorta doubt they used Carfentanyl since dosing an area that large would render it unusable for a fucking long ass time.

At least with a narcotic they had the hope of using narcan (probably needed a truck of it, though).

I think if you're limited to something as weak as morphine, you really should consider something more realistic like dillies or some other more potent opioid.

Carfentanil really has no place in human use. In all reality, it won't likely be enjoyable- even remotely. If you managed not to kill yourself with it, you're probably just gonna pass out for 10, 20 minutes and then slowly come back.

Its meant for elephants, giraffes and hippos. Not people. If you're bent on trying a fentanyl, why not try... fentanyl. Get a Duragesic and cut it open. Try a tiny bit of that. Theres plenty of info around on how to do that. Tons of people manage to kill themselves that way, they don't need something 10,000 times stronger than morphine. 100 is okay to do that.

[Special-K]

Wow, I'm lucky to be alive I guess. About 2 years ago the pain clinic had me on the Fentanyl patches. I couldn get a buzz/high on them, so someone told me that I could cut them up and either put them under my tongue or chew em. I did this for a few days until I woke up one morning and couldn't get outta bed. I literally had to crawl (scoot on my butt) to get to the living room. My whole right side of my body had shut down. Both my right arm and right leg would not function whatsoever. I couldn't even sign my name. I phoned my parents and after spending a few hours in the emergency room I was admitted to the hospital. I didn't tell the doctors or my parents what I had been doing, so I spent more than a week in the hospital while they tried to figure out what was wrong with me. They finally got every thing cleared up and diagnosed me with Pyomysitis (hope I'm spelling it right). I can now sign my name and use my right arm and hand pretty well, but to this day I have a major limp and have to wear a brace on my right leg just to walk. I guess I'm lucky to be alive!!!!

[superman]

wow special k that's the first time i've ever heard of someone having any kind of paralysis happening(as opposed to death). how many mcg did you do?

[Special-K]

It's been almost two years now, so I don't really remember. They had me on the 75mcg patches. I was cutting and chewing on them over a 3 or 4 day period I believe. Hell, it could have been longer. I believe it affected my thinking and memory as well. As you can see in this report: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2005/NEW01206.html, In July of 2005 the FDA issued a public health advisory on the these Fentanyl patches because they were fuckin killing people. Like I said, I'm probably lucky to be alive today!

[DaOxyMan]

i've always found fent to be so highly overrated (don't listen to me if you try it tho, take it very seriously and in extreme moderation)..when i first tried it, i had a healthy H habit which had built up my tolerance quite a bit, and i cut open two 25mcg duragesics, and i pretty much no effect....i tried many other times, but i wouldn't even pay $5 for a 100mcg/h duragesic...i think dilaudid sucks too...people think i'm insane..yes i know they were all real too, i know my pharms and pharm ID sites, but i pretty much got no effect from bangin a 4mg dilly my first time either..guess I got lucky w/ my H dealer and get some good shit

[Phluck]

Uh...

Carfentanyl isn't used in humans. Just because it's so powerful doesn't mean it's more pleasurable than other opiates. It just means that a smaller amount is needed for the same effect.

Carfentanyl is so potent that it can't be reliably measured out, and using it in humans is highly likely to result in death. In short, don't use it if you want to live. Not that you'd ever get your hands on it.

Just because fentanyl is very potent, doesn't mean it's more fun that other opiates either. As far as I know, heroin causes more euphoria than fentanyl does, so you'd probably have a better time sticking to that.

If you live in Vancouver, you'll have no trouble finding plenty.