FDA Are corrupt fat pigs

[ryan]

A few months ago I posted about how I switched from tobacco to electronic cigarettes.
Basically an electronic cigarette is a nicotine vaporizer device, where you insert a nicotine cartrige, suck on it, and it will vape the nicotine for you...pretty cool, theres different flavor and strength cartriges and different style vapes.

I have been using it for a couple months now and it's great -- I stopped coughing and weezing like I did when I smoked, I don't smell like shit, and I generally feel better overall.

Well now some prick senator wants to ban them for no good reason.
And then I get this email from the company I usually order from today:

It has been over a month since the FDA wrote there initial report
on the electronic cigarette and since then there have been many articles
published on the FDA's testing and the validity of it. We have updated our
website with links of recent articles. This is also a very well written
article from our area
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-siegel-e-cigarettes-blumenth.artaug23,0,3349408.story
We are still currently in business but will be voluntarily closing because
of lawsuits from the government towards electronic cigarette suppliers
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/economy/ap/53690647.html. These lawsuits
are on the rise so we will be liquidating our inventory and closing our
online store in the near future.

What a bunch of bullshit.
Once again the FDA is abusing their power and distorting facts to make it seem like something is dangerous when in fact it's not.
The original article made it sound like they are just as bad as cigarettes!

If anyone cares, the site I order from is dropping their prices like crazy (smooth smoking dot com).
I am just going to order as much as I can -- I can't believe this shit!

[SHELLEY]

+1
fuck the fda and fuck big government

[doctor diesel]

The only explanation I can find for this is that if these electronic cigs are successful at weaning smokers of real cigs, then the number of smokers could progressively drop, as will tax take from the sale of tobacco.

What other reason could they have for wanting to ban something that is many times healthier than smoking a cigarette?

Doc

[Dirt McGirt]

Shitty man. The govn't sure can whip up some hysteria when it suits their purpose. I wonder if the senator opposing them is from a tobacco (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/23mainct.html?pagewanted=print) producing state (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=DhN&revid=291594968&resnum=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=tobacco+farms+connecticut&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&ei=y7WWSsPUHsfBlAeyw82sDA&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1). It would make sense, right?

For what its worth, I chew nicotine gum, and have for about 8 months now. Might be worth a shot if you haven't already tried it.

[ryan]

Shitty man. The govn't sure can whip up some hysteria when it suits their purpose. I wonder if the senator opposing them is from a tobacco producing state (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/23mainct.html?pagewanted=print). It would make sense, right?

For what its worth, I chew nicotine gum, and have for about 8 months now. Might be worth a shot if you haven't already tried it.

Part of the reason why I switched to the e-cigs is because I was addicted to nitocine gum.
I chewed 10+ pieces a day, non stop, and eventually I got jaw problems from chewing so much gum -- TMJ it's called, something involving the mandible joint.

[Raisin]

Politics is politics and it's all ugly. I have a friend who is a local small business owner and I stopped by his store yesterday to shoot the shit and kill some time. In the course of our conversation we talked about some of the hoops he has to jump through to keep his business running and profitable. The amount of political bullshit you have to deal with on the level that he operates is ,while not necessarily surprising, a major pain in the ass.

As you make your way up the ladder you have to deal with more and more of it. Everyone wants their piece of whatever success you aim for when operating within the system. It's the kind of thing that the more you learn it about the more you wish you didn't know.

[ryan]

So true..

BTW Here's the original FDA Report:

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm173222.htm

Because these products have not been submitted to the FDA for evaluation or approval, at this time the agency has no way of knowing, except for the limited testing it has performed, the levels of nicotine or the amounts or kinds of other chemicals that the various brands of these products deliver to the user.
Oh no! They found a product that doesn't have to be controlled by them and fear it!
No surprise there. Controlling fucks.

And here's a good article that explains why it's not necessarily correct and pretty much makes the case that they are using scare tactics to sway public opinion:

http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/4028-1249403644-fda-report-electronic-cigarettes-are-much-safer-than-tobacco-cigarettes.html

Obv. people can make their own decisions but after reading all of the facts, I think the FDA are 100% full of SHIT.

[Morphus]

A few months ago I posted about how I switched from tobacco to electronic cigarettes.
Basically an electronic cigarette is a nicotine vaporizer device, where you insert a nicotine cartrige, suck on it, and it will vape the nicotine for you...pretty cool, theres different flavor and strength cartriges and different style vapes.

I have been using it for a couple months now and it's great -- I stopped coughing and weezing like I did when I smoked, I don't smell like shit, and I generally feel better overall.

Well now some prick senator wants to ban them for no good reason.
And then I get this email from the company I usually order from today:



What a bunch of bullshit.
Once again the FDA is abusing their power and distorting facts to make it seem like something is dangerous when in fact it's not.
The original article made it sound like they are just as bad as cigarettes!

If anyone cares, the site I order from is dropping their prices like crazy (smooth smoking dot com).
I am just going to order as much as I can -- I can't believe this shit!

I quit smoking several years ago, but ever since I heard of this nicotine delivery system I thought it was genius. I recommended it to some guys at work trying to quit smoking " go ahead and continue tio be a nicotine addict, get your fix safely tho, no burning plant material, no carcinogens. Plus, each dose works out to be cheaper than the equivalent it traditional cigarrettes". I found a site from China, I think, called "e smoke, e-cigarette" or something couldnt ya keep ordering from them?

[ryan]

Yeah there's other vendors and there's always overseas but I guess the thread was more about the point of the FDA sticking their noses in where they don't belong and exagerating facts \ using scare tactics to sway public opinion.

[LongKissGoodNite]

That sucks the big one man ... maybe you might want to switch to snus if you've heard of it. Its like chewing tobacco packets but its supposed to be a lot better for you and not as carcinogenic, oh and no spitting! Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

You can order it online, its all the rage at my workplace :)

[ouaisOut]

Hey Ryan. I know exactly what you're talking about. After smoking way too much for 20 years I decided to try an e-cig.

They're great. Some great changes have taken place: I don't reek, my lungs are in WAY better shape, and my health has improved generally (which is not so much of a joke after 20 years of 1+ packs a day). But I just fucking knew as soon as I ordered my first kit that the FDA would be marching in any day to restrict the things. So I'm stocking up on shit already. BTW, I'm sorry to hear that Smooth Smoking is closing. Those guys are great.

I enjoy the process and behavior of smoking and I think it's that aspect of the e-cig- the fact that people can still ENJOY the process of smoking - that's behind the FDA backlash. E-cigs still provide a pleasurable drug experience and we can't have that now can we?

[hairandwine]

That sucks the big one man ... maybe you might want to switch to snus if you've heard of it. Its like chewing tobacco packets but its supposed to be a lot better for you and not as carcinogenic, oh and no spitting! Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

You can order it online, its all the rage at my workplace :)
snus is the shit, my favorites include general onyx, goteborgs rape (one and two) and skruf cranberry
by the way, the empty cans make great portable rock/pill crushing trays (peep my avi)

[Chipper]

The question is "are they really safe?" - they probably are safer but who really knows? Sounds interesting, I'd like to try one but I've never seen one.

Stock up while you can if you're sold on them.

[Dan Steely]

Um that sucks about the e cigs. Our govt is f'n out of control. Fight back with http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ before it's too late. Momentum is building! There is hope. spread the word.

As for the snus I'm a fan. They aren't quite strong enough for me but I keep them around for situations where smoking or spitting aren't allowed. Camel snus frost flavor are the only ones I've tried and they are at most places ciggs are sold at least they are here in w ny.

[Indy]

Big tobacco controls the FDA actually. it sounds all 'conspiracy theory' ish but it's true. ever since elementary school i've been hearing "light cigarettes are just as bad for you because you need to smoke more of them". now the FDA is going to limit the nicotine levels, essentially making ALL cigarettes "light". they're also banning flavored cigarettes....why? because NONE of the big tobacco companies make flavored cigarettes...except menthol. menthol is conveniently exempt from the ban. the new FDA regulation on tobacco products is just a way for the tobacco lobby to push the smaller tobacco companies off the market, so they can jack up their prices and sell lower quality product.

[jacky]

yep, they suck, and they botch more shit than I can keep track of.

fuck the FDA.

they also stopped a nicotine nasal spray from becoming over the counter awhile back. we were all supposed to have access to that a few years ago.
and I am not going to pay a DR to get a fucking prescription for nicotine when its not technically a scheduled compound.

they hate the truth, IV nicotine in one test was hard for seasoned addicts to tell the difference from cocaine or meth. without the cut, and the knowledge...some junkies couldnt tell the difference.

the last thing they want is to let people use recreationally.

I swear, the Feds are going to go after nicotine some day in a way that is going to cause a major problem for the tax paying adults that want to be free to choose their own lifestyle...
oh wait, we are already there.