Do you consider any stimulant + opioid a "speedball"?

[resorcinol]

combination (and by stimulant, I mean euphoric stimulant, not stuff like caffeine that can't get you actually high) a "speedball", or is there something super special to you about heroin + cocaine that makes you feel that the term should be reserved for IV H and C together only?

I've never actually tried cocaine, so I'm a bit challenged in the experience department when it comes to discussing this. Cocaine itself is a VERY polarizing drug. Some stimulant and even NON stimulant lovers say that cocaine is the absolute best drug EVER albeit short acting, while others (even some folks that love amphetamines) HATE cocaine with a passion and feel it's a complete waste of money. Naturally, what counts as a speedball in one person's opinion to the next person's is gonna vary wildly.

Even though I've never even TRIED cocaine, I'm gonna give my opinion. I think that any combination of a strong euphoric stimulant and a strong opioid AT THE SAME TIME by any ROA is a "speedball". IMO cocaine + heroin was just the first of such a type of combination given the name. I do believe that they must be taken at the same time to be a speedball... using, for example, H or oxycodone as a comedown aid for adderall or cocaine is NOT a speedball. Also, the "downer" IMO MUST be an opioid .... any downer with a euphoric stimulant isn't a speedball because opioids feel very different from GABA(A) agonists. It's gotta be an opioid.

Otherwise, I'm open to the wider use of the term, and not just restricting it to C + H IV in the same rig. I could see calling that the "classic speedball" or "original speedball" or something to that effect, though.

Following that, the closest I've had to a "classic speedball" would be dexmethylphenidate 30 mg + cheeked, fresh mylan fentanyl patch 25 mcg/hr. That was incredibly fucking euphoric. For reference, 30 mg d-MPH is equal in potency to 60 mg regular racemic MPH (ritalin), but the d-MPH has less unwanted peripheral side effects (any that remained were abolished by the fentanyl anyway). I've also used adderall in combination with oxycodone and pods, but that's further from a "classic" speedball if we follow pharmacodynamics in a way since dexmethylphenidate has a mechanism for stimulating the CNS identical to cocaine (DNRI) while amphetamine is a monoamine releaser. Regardless, the Adderall and opioid combo is just as euphoric. I can really only tolerate stims if I either do a speedball OR do the stim alone but have either an opioid or a TON of benzos for when I start to come down. When doing a speedball, I don't feel any crash at all, it just switches to an opioid only feeling when the stim wears out.

So yeah, I consider any opioid and euphoric stim combo a speedball; to me coke + H by IV is just the "classic" original version. I can totally see the view of restricting it to coke + H IV only though if viewed from the standpoint of the rush and not the general high, since nothing oral can compete with that rush, and even by IV I doubt many things could (cocaine by IV seems to be quite unique in the pure intensity of it ... amphetamines don't have rushes like that by IV and other DNRIs have like a "lite" version of the coke rush).

The most misguided definition of speedball IMO is "any upper combined with any downer". IMO that definition (which is the one most non drug users will tell you if asked if they happen to "know" what you're talking about) doesn't capture the special feeling that a speedball is AT ALL.

Yes, IV coke + H in the same rig is gonna be more euphoric than a nontolerant person combining 30 mg adderall and 50 mg hydrocodone, but the same basic "feeling" of the high will be there.

But, something like 4 mg Xanax combined with 10 mg dexedrine (or drinking combined with some ephedrine, or GHB along with some ritalin, etc etc) is NOT the "speedball" feeling because of the lack of an opioid. Opioids are always classed as downers right along with benzos, barbs, and booze ... but they have a subjectively different feel much more distant from the others in the broad "downer" category. Barbs, benzos, and booze are much closer to each other in feeling than opioids are to ANY of those three in feeling ... the only thing they really have in common is that they sedate (in most cases). Opioids are generally far more euphoric, desirable substances than the other downers (and IMO and I'm sure in the opinions of many on this site [it is OPIOphile.org], opioids are the most euphoric, desirable psychoactive drugs of ALL the psychoactive drugs)!

Without an opioid as the downer, it isn't a speedball. Likewise (though this is generally better understood), without a EUPHORIC stimulant as the stimulant, it isn't a speedball (eg, caffeine doesn't count, nicotine doesn't count, modafinil doesn't count) ... this is more well understood though I think.

Vote up everyone ... in your opinion, how specific (or nonspecific) is the term "speedball"?

[Narkotikon]

IMO, somewhat specific. I suppose I limit the stimulant part to coke, meth, or amphetamine ONLY. I wouldn't consider Provigil and methadone a "speed-ball" for instance. I've always thought of the classic speed-ball as coke and heroin, and a California speed-ball as meth or amp and heroin.

I'm sure there are some conservative treatment counselors who actually consider excessive amounts of caffeine and heroin a speed ball. I don't agree with that at all.

Edit: Oh, and I would consider any strong opi-ate / -oid in combination with the simulant a speed-ball too. So, say coke and morphine. That would be a speed-ball in my mind. Coke and propoxyphene, um, no. I know it technically is, but I just don't think of it that way.

[SHELLEY]

i don't even consider it a speedball unless its IVed together
coke and heroin = speedball
meth and heroin = powerball
meth and coke = cardiac arrest

that's what i always called 'em

[hydro chris]

i was taught young the definition of a speed ball was.. powered coke and
some nicely brown heroin with water in a set of works. but..i think meth, or
another amp. will do.

[hydro chris]

coke and heroin = speedball
meth and heroin = powerball
meth and coke = cardiac arrest

that's what i always called 'em
haha, nice.

[OverDriven]

A speedball was always strictly coke and heroin IVed together to me.

[DarthStoner]

I would say that a traditional speedball is IV H and coke, or IV H and crack. Any other sort of stimulant/opiate combo must be termed by components - such as a pharm speedball, which could be Adderall and Oxy, for example. I think the term speedball is a specific reference to the use of cocaine/heroin together. The use of other uppers/downers together will result in having a significantly different feeling, such as meth/morphine, as will different roa, sniffed coke and smoked H, for example. Therefore, I think in common terminology, a speedball should refer to traditional IV H and IV coke or crack. However, the reference to a speedball-like combo among friends can include different substances and roa... for example, my friends all know I do not/will not IV drugs, so if I tell them I did a speedball last night, they'll ask "with what?"

[Paregoric Kid]

the traditional "speedball" refers to cocaine and heroin/morphine. however many consider any stimulant and opioid combo a speedball, and it basically is, except that most stimulants last much longer than cocaine but don't have the same rush as cocaine.

[nodrover]

I define a speedball as strictly coke and dope, administered intravenously just as OverDriven said. Everybody has their own opinion, but I think that this specific combo taken IV (specifically) produces hands down the most euphoric feeling the human body can experience.

[RxQueen]

i guess i'm a traditionalist on this. i also think ONLY of IV coke + heroin together as a speedball. having tried both that and the meth(amphetamine) + dope shot together (good call on the "powerball" name shelley), i still believe that the euphoria-factor just isn't the same as w/ coke. and this coming from someone whose IV career started (way back when) as an IV speed freak. (and as someone who generally really dislikes coke in general... stupid IV runs on that shit wrecked too many of my veins. and bank accounts).

any other combo than dope 'n' coke i might refer to as a pseudo-speedball. maybe.

[resorcinol]

i guess i'm a traditionalist on this. i also think ONLY of IV coke + heroin together as a speedball. having tried both that and the meth(amphetamine) + dope shot together (good call on the "powerball" name shelley), i still believe that the euphoria-factor just isn't the same as w/ coke. and this coming from someone whose IV career started (way back when) as an IV speed freak. (and as someone who generally really dislikes coke in general... stupid IV runs on that shit wrecked too many of my veins. and bank accounts).

any other combo than dope 'n' coke i might refer to as a pseudo-speedball. maybe.

I've never tried coke simply because I'm turned off by the short duration. I'd probably try it if offered a line for free, but I wouldn't buy it. I'm definitely a "duration" druggie rather than a "rush" druggie. Cocaine may have the best rush in the world, but its duration is really, really pathetic. Despite loving the IV coke + H feeling, you say you dislike coke? ... just curious, what things about coke make you dislike it in particular? Just the IV runs and money drain?

I could run with "speedball" for IV coke + H and "pseudo speedball" for any other opioid + stim combo as nomenclature as almost equivalent to "classic speedball" and "speedball" in my eyes. Either do justice to the original but highlight the similarities of the other combos. Perhaps your terms do more justice to the original though by giving the original the original term with no qualifier.

I do think at least calling an opioid + stim combo a pseudo-speedball sounds nicer than saying both drugs' names' all the time (eg "with a few fat lines of C here and there I did pseudo-speedballs four times last night ... last one 'bout a half hour ago, opana ir and crystal, fat shot, still feel awesome" vs "I did a shot of oxy and crystal, then two hours later a shot of dilly and coke, a few sniffs of coke every half hour, then another shot of coke with mscontin, and finally a fat shot of crystal and opana IR to finish the night off about a half hour ago ... still feel fucking awesome man").

[RxQueen]

i could go on and on about the things i dislike about coke. mainly i guess, the super-short duration (especially once i started shooting it), the cost, the way it makes me fiend for more IMMEDIATELY after i start doing it, the way it seems to turn most people (including me) into instant selfish assholes, the number of friends i had that it ruined, and that horrible crash once it runs out.

but mix it with some good dope, and it just has a certain synergy that nothing else equals. plus with the dope, i don't fiend for more and the crash is non-existant. it gives me the instant rush, then sorta just fades away as the dope takes over. yummy!

[Maintenance Man]

I believe to a lesser extent even Fioricet is a speedball, to some degree... There is a noticeable speedy, and at the same time sedating, effect to it... yes, even caffeine and a somewhat weak barbiturate.

Other things I've heard called, or would consider, speedballs..

Amps (both meth and adderall, etc.) and Soma
Amps and Opioids (they call this a "power ball")
Amps and benzos
Coke and H
Coke and Soma
Coke and benzos

Depending on the person you talk to, nearly any combo of upper + downer is a "speedball," even though the term originally referred to coke and h.

EDIT: I must say I've never done a speedball besides oral amp salts and a shot of H. It was euphoric, but the stims are too paranoid/anxious for me.. I much prefer the H alone.

[okie dokie]

i used to call a shit load of coffee and a mouthful of roxies first thing in the morning a speedball!!

[Morphus]

I heard that a drink at a bar, red bull and vodka was called a "baby speedball" LAME. C and H is the real deal, or C and morph.

[Restharrow]

Oxymorphone and dexmethylphiniadate -- yummy.

I owe my Dexmethyl. to you Res. your glowing report on it caused me to push my doctor and he finally yielded to my pleas.

Now anything less than the combo is a disappointment.

Will

[Larkin]

I never had the chance to try a real speedball. I used to take adderall and OC at the same time. but only because without the oc, the adderall got me too jittery and weird. I never even considered that a speedball or anything even close. because i just sniffed both, kids used to say shit like "oooh man i took percs and adderall at the same time it was like a speedball without a needle". I would proceed to punch them in the face. I LOVED smoking fent, and crack is nice to smoke too but it gets me tooo wired. If i had the chance to smoke both together i would imagine it would be almost as nice as a real speedball. I can only imagine how you would feel during that exhale.

[SeVeN]

To me the fact that cocaine doesn't last too long was always the benefit of using it as the other ingredient in a speedball. The shitty comedown feeling isn't near as bad and for a while I really liked speedballs. Now I can't/won't tolerate coke in any way.

I think of a speedball as Coke + H but I i would understand someone calling other similiar ingredients a speedball.

[ndoftaworld]

Before Opi, I've always used (and heard) speedball to mean coke + meth. It's a QUICK pick-up that lasts for 8+ hours. Then again, H wasn't around much, and still not very 'popular' here. Sounds good though, some h and coke enough for a weekend's retreat... hmm, tasty. :cool:

Nd

[resorcinol]

Oxymorphone and dexmethylphiniadate -- yummy.

I owe my Dexmethyl. to you Res. your glowing report on it caused me to push my doctor and he finally yielded to my pleas.

Now anything less than the combo is a disappointment.

Will

Yum indeed. I know d-MPH is GREAT fun with oxycodone, pods, and fentanyl, but I've never even tried oxymorphone by itself. Judging from the consensus on oxymorphone though, it would be heavenly. Oxymorphone is one of the most highly regarded opioids of all (it and ketobemidone are revered as the best of the best, sometimes along with dipipanone with cyclizine [Diconal]). These opioids are often said to be better than heroin both with regard to the rush and high. Oxymorphone in particular is crowned better than heroin most often (it's not only famous for feeling superior to H to many opiophiles, but also unlike ketobemidone and dipipanone, oxymorphone is in the same chemical class as heroin (phenanthrene opioids) which may give it a "personality [subtle differences in feel caused by overtones in the background of the same general opioid feeling]" that is more similar to heroin's ... something that is appealing to many 'philes who really prefer H).

d-MPH is damn good orally and insuffulated by itself, although I prefer oral for the longer duration. I prefer oral for "pseudo-speedballs" and for potentiating an opioid dose too because of the longer duration that more closely matches the dope. However, methylphenidate is known for having a fucking AMAZING rush by IV injection, and DEXmethylphenidate (to the few that have tried IV d-MPH) is known for having an even BETTER rush than racemic MPH. Many would say that IV d-MPH is indistinguishable from IV cocaine in the right dose, both being tied for the absolute most utopia esque godly rushes of all recreational drugs, fullstop.

Now imagine IV dexmethylphenidate and IV oxymorphone, in the same rig, solid strong doses of both. HOLY .... I'm drooling just thinking of it even though I don't IV. It's gotta be one of the best feelings in the world. One of the opiates rated to have the best IV rush combined with one of the stimulants rated as having the best IV rush in the same rig in potent doses. I would REALLY love to see somebody who does IV speedballs with cocaine already try this combo (IV dexmethylphenidate with IV oxymorphone as the pseudospeedball) and post a trip report. I bet it's one fucking beauty of a bellringer and probably has more legs than a traditional speedball due to the longer t-1/2 of dexmethylphenidate when compared to cocaine. The d-MPH would still wear off quicker than the oxymorphone though since d-MPH's half life is still pretty short (3 hours), so this particular combo may more closely resemble the original C + H speedball than some other pseudospeedballs where the stim doesn't have as good a rush and has a long t-1/2 (eg amphetamine + oxycodone for example).

One benefit health wise of d-MPH + your opioid of choice vs the classic speedball is that it's less likely to kill you (still VERY dangerous though of course). d-MPH is not a local anesthetic like cocaine is (ion channel blocker), and it's this mech of action that gives cocaine it's much higher cardiotoxicity than other stimulants. Since d-MPH doesn't do this, it's way less cardiotoxic. The risk of the d-MPH masking the true potency of the opioid dose and then having an opioid OD when the d-MPH wears off is still there just like with cocaine though.

[faster36]

Always known it as coke and h. Used to do it all the time back in the day. Dont think my heart could take that now a days. Oh those were the days. Do miss it sometimes.:(

[Morphus]

i don't even consider it a speedball unless its IVed together
coke and heroin = speedball
meth and heroin = powerball
meth and coke = cardiac arrest

that's what i always called 'em


Shelley you ever done a blast of coke and crank in the same spike? I've thought about it but never done it. If it was the first one of a run that would be one serious jolt

[resorcinol]

If I'm ever offered cocaine at a party or something I'll try it just to round out my stimulant resume (and give me more credibility in comparing dexmethylphenidate to it ... well I really *don't* compare them at this time since I can't; I don't know exactly what cocaine feels like due to never having tried it). If I try coke, I'll have had amphetamine, cocaine, and both racemic and d-MPH, and be able to compare the feelings of all three based on how they felt to me.

I'm quite sure I'll enjoy C more than amphetamines since I prefer d-MPH over amphetamines (amps are great for duration but the crash is horrendous compared to DNRIs FOR ME [I know some people experience the reverse]). C just has such a short duration, is not very potent (a good dose for a newbie is 60 to 100 mg ... a "line" for a newbie), and is very expensive (40 bucks per gram when it's not that potent and has a very short t-1/2 and thus very short duration? what a ripoff!!). Note that by "potency" I mean on a mg for mg basis ... I know C is very POWERFUL at the right dose and one of the most addictive euphoric drugs of all when shot up and still incredibly powerful and euphoric when sniffed. It's just not very potent when it comes to binding to DAT hence needing on avg 80 mg to block enough DA transporters to be euphoric with no tolerance. D-MPH is actually more potent a DAT substrate (DA reuptake inhibitor) mg for mg when compared to cocaine ... it's just less "fun" than cocaine by the opinion of most drug users. This is quite typical ... in the opioid arena fentanyl is 50x more potent as a mu agonist than heroin but many consider heroin to be more euphoric overall at equipotent doses (that's not to say fentanyl isn't extremely euphoric, just not as extremely euphoric perhaps). Going the other way, ketobemidone is 0.5x heroin's potency (it's half the potency of heroin and thus would require double the dose in mgs to be equipotent to a heroin dose) -- which incidentally makes it the same potency as morphine which is also half the strength of heroin -- and ketobemidone is considered by many opioid users to be more euphoric than heroin (some call it the most euphoric opioid, fullstop ... while others say oxymorphone is the best of all, or dipipanone).

One interesting thing about heroin (diacetylmorphine) is that it likely only is the predominant street opioid due to the ease of synthesis. Tons of evidence suggests that 6-monoacetylmorphine (which is the active metabolite that is RAPIDLY produced by hydrolysis in the CNS and all over the body in general that actually causes the effects of heroin, along with morphine which is produced when both ester bonds are hydrolyzed ... those two are the potent mu agonists ... heroin itself is only a weak mu agonist due to that 3-acetyl group ... substitution on the 3 position on opioids with the morphine core structure almost completely abolishes activity as a mu agonist, and in cases where it isn't quickly cleaved like heroin's acetyl ester is [an example: codeine, which has a methyl group there ... an ether ... not rapidly hydrolyzed but requiring hepatic oxidative CYP enzymes for removal to produce morphine] the result is a very weak opioid. 3-substitution won't nearly abolish activity if the double bond at 7,8 is done away with and the 6-OH oxidized to a ketone; this is demonstrated by the -codone family, hydrocodone and oxycodone being 3-subbed with a stubborn methylether, but it only REDUCES potency and doesn't practically abolish it with these drugs due to the other structural changes ... hydro- and especiall oxy-codone are quite potent, and 14 substituted hydrocodone derivatives where the substituent is a long carbon chain alkane or alkene with an aromatic ring at the terminal end produces VERY potent opioids of 1000x the strength of morphine even with that 3-ether substitution ... and in these cases that 3-ether sub's dramatic positive effect on oral bioavailability is worth it as we get potent drugs that are well absorbed orally, while bare -OH at the 3 phenanthrene opioids like morphine or hydromorphone are only 30 ish percent absorbed orally vs the 85 percent absorbed orally hydrocodone or oxycodone).

Not having an acetyl group on the 3 position would not decrease the rapid penetration that heroin has through the BBB by much at all. Any decrease in this BBB penetration speed would be made up for easily by the fact that hydrolysis, though it is very quick, can be entirely skipped ... 6-MAM is a powerful mu opioid agonist all by itself. 6-MAM is the primary reason that heroin is 2x morphine in potency (the fact that more morphine ends up in the CNS with a heroin injection than with a morphine injection contributes a little, but is NOT the primary reason contrary to popular belief) ... 6-MAM is simply double the potency of morphine and confers this property to heroin which is rapidly hydrolyzed to it and then later to morphine which is then hepatically metabolized further to glucuronides and N-demethylated inactive metabolites.

If 6-MAM was easily synthesized it would DEFINITELY be the opioid of the streets, and heroin would simply not be used. 6-MAM almost certainly has a better rush than heroin due to the lack of need for in vivo activation no matter how quick said process is (it's quick enough that heroin has a very powerful rush). Opioid users would definitely choose 6-MAM over heroin / diamorphine. Why isn't 6-MAM the opioid of the streets then? Easy ... when esterifying morphine at the -OH groups with acetylating compounds (acetic anhydride or acetyl halides are the common choices), it's pretty much impossible to stop both -OH groups, the one at 3 and the one at 6, from having an acetyl group added by the AA. There is a tiny amount of 6-MAM produced particularly in clandestine synthesis, but most of it is diamorphine. Pure 6-MAM could by synthed in a lab, but why, when the process for diamorphine is so much cheaper and easier and diamorphine is only slightly inferior? This is why countries that do use H despite its stigma like the UK medically use diamorphine and not 6-MAM. Pharmaceutical diamorphine is, however, synthed more carefully, and purified after synth to get rid of side reaction products including 6-MAM (along with unreacted morphine and any remaining alkaloids from the poppy plant that made it through with the morphine base), while street H is not purified to remove these things (since it doesn't matter for safety if they're in there and H labs are not equipped for this kind of precise purification). THIS is why some opioid users in the UK SWEAR left, right, up, and down that street heroin is slightly more euphoric than pharmaceutical diamorphine ... the street H has a small percentage of 6-monoacetylmorphine in it and pharma heroin / diamorphine doesn't (pharma is PURE diamorphine)! Street H IS slightly more fun because it has that small percentage of the more euphoric than H 6-MAM in it! So to those that swear that street H beats pharm H if it's not cut to hell but get shit for it by people who say "that makes no sense, pharma is purer, etc etc" ... I'm vindicating you ... you're right. The slight 6-MAM content makes it better.

Now, imagine pure 6-MAM instead of heroin. Yum, huh? Still ... oxymorphone IV might beat 'em both.

Went on a bit of a tangent there, but that's my style innit? No harm done, but may be tl;dr for some folks (which is cool).

[LongKissGoodNite]

You could do uppers with your opiates but in my experience it was always smarter to do your uppers (crystal or coke) and then in the twilight when youre crashing .. do some opiates to smooth it all out. Works wonders. Also gets you to do more opiates than you would've otherwise done ..

[dragonnas]

Now, imagine pure 6-MAM instead of heroin. Yum, huh? Still ... oxymorphone IV might beat 'em both.

Went on a bit of a tangent there, but that's my style innit? No harm done, but may be tl;dr for some folks (which is cool).

Not tl;dr for me. This is exactly why I joined OP.

[bigNasty]

i don't even consider it a speedball unless its IVed together
coke and heroin = speedball

+1.
In swim's neck of the woods, it's usually

Meth and oxy=redneck speedball
adderall and oxy/hydro=pharm speedball
coke and oxy/hydro=SWIM's usual speedball

Swim would like to try 4mg's dilaudid IV'd with few lines of coke snorted beforehand


And resorcinal, you gotta try some C. Swim is one of the people that doesn't even like stims but loves a few good lines with some friends.

[Michael]

I'd classify any amphetamine + any opioid as a speedball, Although I'm somewhat picky.
i.e tramadol + caffeine wouldn't be counted.

I haven't tried cocaine with my shots but I've had methylphenidate/methamphetamine and morphine/heroin/oxy in all the various combinations.

[digby]

I believe to a lesser extent even Fioricet is a speedball, to some degree... There is a noticeable speedy, and at the same time sedating, effect to it... yes, even caffeine and a somewhat weak barbiturate.

Other things I've heard called, or would consider, speedballs..

Amps (both meth and adderall, etc.) and Soma
Amps and Opioids (they call this a "power ball")
Amps and benzos
Coke and H
Coke and Soma
Coke and benzos

Depending on the person you talk to, nearly any combo of upper + downer is a "speedball," even though the term originally referred to coke and h.

EDIT: I must say I've never done a speedball besides oral amp salts and a shot of H. It was euphoric, but the stims are too paranoid/anxious for me.. I much prefer the H alone.

I pretty much agree with MM's post here. Even though the "classic" speedball was coke and heroin, the basic feel of a speedball is available from a lot of combinations. Just like all mixed drinks fall under the "hi-ball" label, while you still have a manhatten rocks made with very specific ingredients.

As he mentioned, barbituates mixed with opiates can provide a very similar experience to amps and opiates, especially to someone with a low tolerance.

barbituate/hydro - mild but pleasant
amp/hydro - more intense but still mild and pleasant
amp/oxy - getting a bit crazier here, but still provides best of both drugs
amp/dilaudid - this can get a bit crazy - not a preferred option

[robojunkie]

Diamorphine/Heroin and Cocaine is the true "Speedball".

Fentanyl and meth with some coke and dilaudid does well too.

Never had the 6-MAM stuff but could probably prep that as is due to difference in pka's of the 3,6 OH's. Bangin' 14-OH morphinones with amps is a soon to be true dream experience, I've got very little odd combos left to try, this would be one.

I hit some 12 mgs. Dilaudid after PCP comedown with meth and was orgasmismic. Then a couple days later finally found my lost fiance and gave her some dope as we are both being fucked by the klinic. Just gotta hang on til I get my flow and my two year phd at new school and back on track(s)...

roborisin'

[digby]

After taking amps and dilaudid one night, my wife was telling me how strange and wild my eyes looked.
I told her "You ought to see it from my side". It wasn't really unpleasant - just felt that the two elements in my body (speedy vs sedated) seemed to be fighting one another while I was just watching it all happen.

[duck]

that's a good way to put it, Digby--

It can def. go either way, not just mixing uppers and downers, but mixing any type of drug -- sometimes its very harmonic and synergstic, but other times it can be incredibly unsettling, exactly as you it, the two drugs fighting each other.

[LongKissGoodNite]

Yea fighting each other, in my experience smoking weed with cocaine on top is really really fucking weird.

One minute you feel jacked, the next minute you feel stoned and low, then jacked again, then stoned and low. fuck that man. Ill nord the coke and wait it out, then hit the weed ... much more smooth, sounds nice actually :D

[oxy kid]

I used to love a good ole Oxy/Coke Speedball back in the day. Loved it.

Now it just seems like the Adderall/Xanax have to do the trick.

[hero 1]

there is nothing more better in mho that a good 100 dollor rock of crack and a jab of dope and a few bars is the best way to spend the day. did it last night and i am sitting in some coffee shop right now noddin off cause thats how last night was spent i am a bumb ass thinkin that this coffee would wake me up. you are playing with fire though thats why i smoke the crack and wait 15 or twinty mins to do a shot. bad idea to mix them in the same spoon. only did that once, and i heard i.v coke kills heart tissue

[Opiofreq]

Hippy Speedball= chronic and coffee:D

[More Feen]

I think a mild dose of something like ritalin and an opie are good if you're working and cannot afford to nod, or don't want to. I'm talking about eating pills, not so much the injection of these types of drugs simultaneously, or otherwise.

Generally, opies tend to keep me awake anyway, so adding a little stimulant is just icing on dem torte.

M F

[Import]

Mmm, bump?

For me, aint no speedball unless its H and C in shot into a vein. For me, they're not so much about the high as a fucking explosion of feelings and sensations. BOOM. Anything after that is just being loaded, but the speedball is about that first sixty seconds.
I dunno why, but my friends and I used to call an amp/opi combo a goofball. Shelleys term "powerball" seems much more fitting though.
Heh, I was gonna say something snide about the age of the thread, but I actualy found it to be really interesting.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Hippy Speedball= chronic and coffee:D
:cheeky2:

[The_Chef]

No.

A speedball is always coke + heroin IV. You can call other, similar combos a whatever-ball (IE Oxy/Hydromorphone/etc + Adderall/Dexedrine = pharmball) but the speedball name is taken.

[dolofina]

Well, this poll is closed, but I've taken prescription diet pills
on top of my Suboxone and that was a pretty nice mix.