Burp and benzo's and life

[AMA]

i've been a addict for 10 years or so i've been able to quit cold turky hundreds of times
i found this doctor in milwaukee wi great doc he lets me make my own choich on what milligrams of burp i want to be on first two months i was on 32 mg. now 24mg+2mg lorazapam
as needed per day u know what i havent abused the benzo used it only when needed
in two months iv'e stoped taking burp for 4 days with no or very little feeling of
withdrawl then like an idiot use heroin or hydomorphone some one was speaking of tolerence
in three days i would be up to easyly 200mg duilaudid in a day it took me 7 years to get to that amount after 3 days i would be feeling like crap no amount makes me feel good i just cant get enough so the fourth day i quit go through the masive sweats very sleepy and by 300 pm i take 24mg burp bye 500pm im eating supper and feel fucken great like i never took anything the last three days i just dont want to get in the habit of using this burp to come off a drug binge we all know where that leads too 1 fucked up life:)
my doc also offers methadone i asked him what dose he starts people out on
and he said i let them make there own choice he has clients on 200 + mgsome over 300mg i was like wow what a awsome doc he is the best addictionalgy doc i ever had i asked him how long u keep me on this suboxone program he said as long as u want to keep giving your money away how true like 2 weeks after i stoped the drug abusing and was on suboxone i know i didnt need the drug anymore to me its like a safe zone for me i know if i use or is in a situation to use while i am on suboxone it will have no efect at all and if i want to use u have to wait at least 4 days to even feel the opiate after stoping suboxone well i hope this info helps some peps and make better choices in life life is too short u need to love someone not something and u feel much better
good luck
AMA

[darkangel]

when you say you take burp, do you mean bup. as in buprenex, e.t.c.? i just never heard anyone call it burp. wow, 200mg of dilaudid is equivilent to 2000mg of morphine or oxycontin. it just so happens i have way more experience with dilaudid than i would like. i just never have heard of anyone shooting 50 k4 dilaudid a day, i mean im just surprised that buprinorphine or [burp, i think] would help with such a high dose of drugs to be on a day. i take methadone, and i was on dilaudid but i didnt do 50 pills a day, anyway, they say i have to be on 30mg of methadone a day to switch to buprinorphine. i was just surprised to hear someone on such a high dose of k4 switch over, thats all.

[Sykotherapudik Lee]

What's up with that poll, anyway? Is weed addicting? Oh hell yes it is. But, it's also all in my head. I ran myself around in circles trying to cast my vote. Thanks a lot....

[AMA]

sorry to ,ake the poll so sonfusing we all know weed is not addicting and that absoultly no one died of od ever!

as far as dilaudid yes 25 8mg pills i had 50 of them 3 days later none tell me i would do 4 pills of 8mgs a boot rember hydromorphone lasts only 4 hours so in a day u dose atleast 6 times a day 3 years ago first day i did maybe 10 8mg pills 2nd day15 3rd the rest now only a true hard core addict can do that but the next day about 12 hours with out nothing 24mg suboxone i took and 500 oclock pm eating good if i had no burprenorphine lol (burp) i would have been sick as fuck well hope this answers your question dilaudid user 7 years and now retired AMA

[jacky]

THC has shown some action at the kappa opioid receptor....I have had some pretty shitty feelings when cut off from my THC regimine when I was younger. lack of appetite, lethargy, hard to sleep, cranky attitude. I dont think that it is a STRONG enforcer of re-dosing, but I consider it somewhat addictive physically. that is just MY opinion, I am not trying to lay a claim for other people.

[darkangel]

weed is a gateway drug that leads to other drugs, but if it was legal and taken out of the drug scene it would be a different story. no i dont think it is addictive, but its hard to sleep if your used to smoking it at night and you dont have it. its nowhere near as bad as alcohol, so i think pot and alcohol should switch places. i used to love it, but i take methadone now and i dont want to lose my take home doses. weed is not really a bad thing!!!!

[Paregoric Kid]

how do you expect weed to be disasscociated from the drug scene, IT'S A DRUG. I'm sorry but I had to call bullshit here.
I didn't try weed until after I took opiates. and I didn't try it because I liked opiates, I knew they were different and I knew that they had different effects, it just so happened I enjoyed both of them.

and my view on legalization: if you have the right to yourself and your property and your pursuit of happiness then it is complete bullshit to stop you from owning and using something that causes no harm to others by possessing and using it.

[candy]

I don't feel weed is as addicting as Heroin. For years I smoked weed daily and when I was about to get married and have my second child I was able to quit without any adverse effects.
Going cold turkey off of weed did not seem hard at all. In fact, I did not suffer any type of withdrawls or depression.

Now my addiction to Heroin was much different. Trying just about everything to avoid withdrawls and as well going cold turkey(which was done several times with out success) has been difficult.

While I don't do either any longer, IMO weed is a harmless habit and was easy for me to quit, so to speak.

The question of weed being a "Gateway Drug", well it is questionable. Can it lead to use of other illicit drugs? Yes, I believe it can. But not because of it being an addictive drug. IMO it leads to other drug use due to the user searching for other methods of changing his/her perception of daily life. If that makes any sense!
Once someone gets a taste of an altered perception, IMO, they begin the search for other drugs to achieve the same result.

I don't condone adolescents or teens using or experimenting with any drugs and feel that adults have the right to choose the lifestyle they want to lead if their circumstances do not harm or endanger others.

It is acceptable if an adult sits at home or in a bar drinking alcohol, but if that same adult were to spark up at home and get high, they are condemned by society and called a drug addict. Alcohol in my opinion does more physical damage than pot. Heroin itself does not do any physical damage to the body, but can cause damage by it's manner of administration. Such as the case with injecting which can lead to such problems as phlebitis, abscesses, HIV, and Hep C.

I would certainly enjoy an evening at home with a few bond loads as opposed to sitting and drinking for hours. At least I will avoid a terrible hangover and don't need to sit in a bar all night to get high.

[kramorph]

When you stop taking buprenorphine the withdrawals dont even start for 2-3 weeks, you think your better then you wake up one midnight with that old familiar feeling, and it lasts for 6weeks, I started back on the needle again and am now on methadone.

[candy]

AMA,
Is he really such a great doc allowing patients to put themselves on their own dose of Methadone?
I think he needs to gain some control and stating that as long as you give him your cash, you can stay on Bup for as long as you want. Sounds like a quack to me.
I have been a nurse for years and worked with more doctors than I can name, but if I learned anything is that any doctor that allows this type of self dosing is only in it for the money.
You may be setting yourself up for a long hard road ahead. While it may seem cool that your doc allows you to set your own dose, it could also be a sign that this guy is dangerous and does not have your best interest in mind.

I know many docs under-medicate and some don't care at all, but it is just irresponsible for this doc to allow this. This is just my opinion.
I have seen many docs with the attitude of "keep them hooked for the cash," and it scares me that they exist. It is just as scary as the docs who won't medicate and treat addicts like dirt. There are docs who care and while they may be harder to find, they do exist.

I would be careful of this guy and make sure he has your best interest at heart.

[jacky]

the two methadone clinics I have attended would eventually let the client decide which dosage was best for them, many ended up on more than 200 millligrams.

[Waismann]

Buprenorphine is an opiate as well and very addictive, we detox patients from it every week. Now that Oxycontin and Methadone has gotten such a bad rep on the media the pharmaceutical companies came out with a new addictive drug..Its just a matter of time in to it becomes another epidemic like Oxy. has.

[floger]

Sorry I missed this poll. I'd of said no;)

Also I use Bupe almost daily the .2mgers sublingual. I use less then 4mgs a day. Its the best pain med I have used.

[miosis]

Sorry I missed this poll. I'd of said no;)

Also I use Bupe almost daily the .2mgers sublingual. I use less then 4mgs a day. Its the best pain med I have used.

.2 ??? I thought they only come in 2 mg and 8 mg sublingual tablets?

I do use bupe daily. 32 mgs a day, 4 doses a day of an 8 mg. It seems to hold me fine. now I have been bad off enough before where double that would not have helped. I am glad to be where I am right now. it is easy to get and never a shortage of suppy and I don't get sick. not a bad deal if you ask me.

[floger]

Yes I use Tems. They are .2mg. Its really hard to find online now. You are talking about suboxone or subutex. Which is what I should get. Put I'd have to go to a Doc for them. Sure wish they were easy to get online.

[Paregoric Kid]

buprenorphine withdrawal is very mild when compared to the withdrawal from a heavy addiction to a real full opiate agonist like methadone or heroin. anyone that thinks bup is going to be "the next oxy" is ignorant of what buprenorphine is. I'm sure most people would rather maintain on bup or prefer withdrawaling from bup than choose to withdrawal from another opiate, much less spend thousands of dollars on a treatment that doesn't have any scientific research behind it and uses testimonials (the easiest way to sell a pseudoscience) to convince people.

Buprenorphine is an opiate as well and very addictive, we detox patients from it every week. Now that Oxycontin and Methadone has gotten such a bad rep on the media the pharmaceutical companies came out with a new addictive drug..Its just a matter of time in to it becomes another epidemic like Oxy. has.

[miosis]

buprenorphine withdrawal is very mild when compared to the withdrawal from a heavy addiction to a real full opiate agonist like methadone or heroin. I'm sure most people would rather maintain on bup or prefer withdrawaling from bup than choose to withdrawal from another opiate

exactly, how I feel about it.

[floger]

Bupe is my choice too.

[jacky]

recent research of cannabanoid pharmacokinetics suggests interaction with kappa and other opioid receptors.
I experienced moderate withdrawl from cannabis when quitting after a lengthy usage period. I think that anything can be addictive mentally and emotionally. I do not think that cannabis creates a strong physical addiction, and can actually help some types of opiate withdrawl.