Call me crazy...I really love tramadol

[OverDriven]

By itself, tramadol can get rid of withdrawals for me...even from a hefty pod habit. My favorite way to use them is WITH pods though.

I've been taking pods daily for a long time (years). The magic quickly wears off, and it starts feeling like methadone very quickly IMO. No real euphoria...just keeps me from getting sick and it feels like a heavy/sleepy/noddy kind of high. I'm a bit sick of them really, and sometimes considering quitting just because it's no fun.

Well add in a little bit a tramadol in the mix with the pods (100mg of tram), and I swear it turns into the best opiate high EVER. There is definitely synergy there. For me, tramadol has a very speedy edge to it. It's like an incomplete oxy high. No body high, a bit of the head high, and a good amount of stimulation. It's not great on it's own, but with pods it almost turns into a different drug. It feels to me exactly like a very good oxy high, but with more stimulant feel. It totally gets rid of the downer part of the pod high and transforms it into a great stimulated high with an intense body buzz and a huge mood lift. I don't know what goes on when you mix pods and tramadol, but the sum is greater than the parts. I honestly consider it to be the best opiate high I've felt when I mix the two. Better than heroin, better than oxy, better than any one opiate by itself. The only thing is, if I use the tram every day, the buzz weakens a bit, but if I space it out and do it every few days (and only take pods on the days in between), it's fucking amazing. I even get skin tingles when I'm on this mix. It feels like serotonin is responsible for the added effects.

I know some people will think I'm crazy. I'm not inexperienced with opiates. I have a lot of experience with pretty much all of them. I guess some people metabolize this stuff differently. All I can tell you is that if you are a pod user, you should at least give this a try.

[Chipper]

That's the closest thing to a junkie advertisement I've seen since I've been here.

But I'm glad it works for ya. Truly. I don't mind Trams, either.

[OverDriven]

That's the closest thing to a junkie advertisement I've seen since I've been here.


I'm not sure what you mean. Should I not have posted this? Just wanted to share my experience for those that might want to get a bit more out of their pods. Are posts like this against the rules or something?

[Chipper]

Don't worry ... what you've posted is not a problem in any way, shape or form.

I'm just messing around. Drug synergy is everyone's favorite topic, anyway.

You're doing just fine and I like your enthusiasm.

[Duckfeet]

I agree: your crazy!

But then, even after years of heroin addiction, I slid down to mexico, and discovered the joys of propoxyphene(darvon, darvocet, 'neo-percodans) and beer, and have been publicly humiliated for my shameful drug choices ever since :sandm::sad-smile

[harmonik]

Watch out for the random seizures with Tram :p

I have an opio-naive friend who LOVES taking a few trams and smoking and "nodding out".. he would get reeeal talkative/social like when on MDMA and then SLAM fall flat asleep.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I've had scripts of tramadolan reallygot nothing @ all from them, can't really seem to see why some cats are hooked on these things! About these pod's never really heard much about them, never had them come up in Baltimore, MD. What exactlly are they and how are they used? I have an idea but not real clear? Thanks!!:)

[OxyQueen]

Anyone here on suboxone and take tramadol for pain???
Can these 2 be taken concurrently?

I have horrible CP issues and if this will even take the edge off a little bit....i would be alot happier with suboxone treatment....

I have done the Naproxen, ibuprophen route and it just DESTROYS my stomach...so that can only be an occasional remedy and when my stomach starts acting up...i have to stay far far away from drugs like these!

It never worked on my pain before, but i do wonder if mixed with suboxone...if it would provide ANy relief?

[nick]

I've had scripts of tramadolan reallygot nothing @ all from them, can't really seem to see why some cats are hooked on these things! About these pod's never really heard much about them, never had them come up in Baltimore, MD. What exactlly are they and how are they used? I have an idea but not real clear? Thanks!!:)

I find tramadol great for wds,absolutely no high though.

Pods are fresh or dried papa somniferum pods.You just make a tea with them.They contain morphine,codeine,thebaine and a whole load of other fun alkaloids.It's kinda like hill billy methadone.

[hydro chris]

Anyone here on suboxone and take tramadol for pain???
Can these 2 be taken concurrently?

I have horrible CP issues and if this will even take the edge off a little bit....i would be alot happier with suboxone treatment....

I have done the Naproxen, ibuprophen route and it just DESTROYS my stomach...so that can only be an occasional remedy and when my stomach starts acting up...i have to stay far far away from drugs like these!

It never worked on my pain before, but i do wonder if mixed with suboxone...if it would provide ANy relief?
O.Q.- i was just wondering if you have ever tried Voltaren?.. its an older nsaid drug that release mostly in the intestines, which has worked really well for me in the past.

[Suboxstitute]

Anyone here on suboxone and take tramadol for pain???
Can these 2 be taken concurrently?

I have horrible CP issues and if this will even take the edge off a little bit....i would be alot happier with suboxone treatment....

I have done the Naproxen, ibuprophen route and it just DESTROYS my stomach...so that can only be an occasional remedy and when my stomach starts acting up...i have to stay far far away from drugs like these!

It never worked on my pain before, but i do wonder if mixed with suboxone...if it would provide ANy relief?

I've taken trams while on subs but only when I'm running low on the subs, to keep the w/ds away. I've done it with subs in my system and do not notice any enhanced pain relief.

On the other hand, I don't see anything harmful here - I am just not sure the trams would work if you've got sub in the system. Again, I am not sure why (I'd ask him, but he's not speaking to me right now; arrogant prick) but my brother, who is an ER doc married to am internist both think tramadol is the worst drug EVER and think it should be off the market. Probably because it doesn't work well for pain, it has tylenol in it, people take too many since "how harmful could it be? It's a schedule IV" and then they screw up their liver 'cause they take way too many. Or maybe my bro has seen one two many seizures.

But if you want to try it for pain while on subs, and if it works, go for it....... just watch the quantity of the trams, because of what they can do to your liver which is a VEO (very importan organ)

Hate to burst your bubble but I don't think trams will help pain-wise, when taken with sub (or not for that matter, personal opinion). If someone can prove me wrong I would love to hear it. There are people in my sub group (clinic requirement) who SWEAR that sub alone has helped their pain. In lower doses, that is what sub was first used for.

GOOD LUCK

Sue

[resorcinol]

I like tramadol for potentiating other opioids. I did get a mild buzz from it alone when I had no tolerance, but now if I took 500 mg alone I'd just feel "weird" but not high. However, it's great for making other opioids stronger and speedier.

I'd really like to try some tapentadol (which was placed in C-II / schedule II) and combine that with another classical opioid ... bet tram on steroids (tapentadol) + oxycodone / hydrocodone / fentanyl / etc... pick one ... is really pretty darn good! Tapentadol has the same SNRI effects as tramadol (maybe a weak DNRI also ... hard to say for sure), but is a much much stronger mu-opioid agonist than tramadol OR M1 are. It's still weak by morphine standards as a mu-agonist (I believe about as strong as pethidine), but that can be countered by simply taking a large number of mg (tapentadol has no dose ceiling ... it's the active mu agonist itself, unlike with tramadol where the metabolite M1 is the active mu agonist). If I had to guess I'd guess that 100 mg tapentadol is equal recreationally to 25 mg morphine (oral). If I'm in the right ballpark, then 400 mg would rock my world.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I've googled tramadol w/suboxone,and found & found a few threads saying ya should not mix the two together!(I forget the reason's why) butI think they said something 'bout bad interaction's when I switched from 5 yrs. from methadone toa suboxoneprogram & felt like total crap (had to do 5 day's from last dose wich was 20mg's before starting the subs, wich had me shooting dope 'till I could start, (they want ya to wait as long as possible cuz methadone stay's in ya for awhile!)Anyway I felt like doo-doo for the first week and I had about 30 tramadol's or so but after looking up mixing the 2, Idid not wanna chance it & wound up givingthemaway! But that's just my opinion & never nothing from 'em!But mixing 'em w/ subs. had me worried after I googled side effect's & Iwas close to take some cuz it was hell the first week on the sub. maitnence,but I finally adjustedto 'em ( just have to kick this damn benzo habit I caught yet again!) Take care,& goodluck!!!!:)

[30_Units]

Through all my years of abusing benzos, I never had a seizure. Got a big bag of tramadol in the mail, and not having any other opioids at the time, was happy to have them. I had taken up to like 600mg fine and was taking them for a few days. One day I take 400, just 400, go to the waffle house, get some coffee, and wake up getting restrained in an ambulance, burned from coffee i threw/spilled everywhere. Apparently I was just talking like normal, and then started spazzing like I was having a stroke.

Don't like tramadol anymore.

[doctor diesel]

Well add in a little bit a tramadol in the mix with the pods (100mg of tram), and I swear it turns into the best opiate high EVER. There is definitely synergy there. For me, tramadol has a very speedy edge to it. It's like an incomplete oxy high. No body high, a bit of the head high, and a good amount of stimulation. It's not great on it's own, but with pods it almost turns into a different drug.
I know some people will think I'm crazy. I'm not inexperienced with opiates. I have a lot of experience with pretty much all of them. I guess some people metabolize this stuff differently. All I can tell you is that if you are a pod user, you should at least give this a try.

I don't think you're at all crazy. The best opiate combo I ever experienced was - wait for it - 200mg tramadol with 165mg propoxyphene (orally) - it literally rocked my world for about four hours solid. Never I've taken since has compared.
I'm with you on the trams - no fun on their own, but certainly speedy, edgy and stimulating. They have great potential though, and as Nick said (and I've found for myself) they are tremendous for staving off WDs from a serious drug such as H.


Doc.

[doctor diesel]

Anyone here on suboxone and take tramadol for pain???
Can these 2 be taken concurrently?

I have horrible CP issues and if this will even take the edge off a little bit....i would be alot happier with suboxone treatment....

I have done the Naproxen, ibuprophen route and it just DESTROYS my stomach...so that can only be an occasional remedy and when my stomach starts acting up...i have to stay far far away from drugs like these!

It never worked on my pain before, but i do wonder if mixed with suboxone...if it would provide ANy relief?


Why would it work at all, OQ, given that sub is a receptor-blocker? I've got to say that I've found tramadol to be a VERY effective pain reliever, contrary to what you've found, but I also once took a dose of it too close to my last sub dose, and it made me feel nauseous and cranky for up to a couple of hours.
Which kind of suggests it's not recommended to combine the two!


Doc

[doctor diesel]

I agree: your crazy!

But then, even after years of heroin addiction, I slid down to mexico, and discovered the joys of propoxyphene(darvon, darvocet, 'neo-percodans) and beer, and have been publicly humiliated for my shameful drug choices ever since :sandm::sad-smile


There you go - another person to find potential in propoxyphene, which almost everyone else condemns.
Did you ever trying mixing it with trams, DF?


Doc

[doctor diesel]

my brother, who is an ER doc married to am internist both think tramadol is the worst drug EVER and think it should be off the market. Probably because it doesn't work well for pain, it has tylenol in it, people take too many since "how harmful could it be? It's a schedule IV" and then they screw up their liver 'cause they take way too many.
Sue


Tramadol doesn't have tylenol in it, that'll be combination Tramacet and Ultracet you're talking about, surely?

My wife is a CPer, and tramadol is highly effective against pain for her.

Each to his/her own, I guess. She also gets great relief from Temgesic, which is ver-low-dose bupe.


Doc

[warbux]

Anyone here on suboxone and take tramadol for pain???
Can these 2 be taken concurrently?

I have horrible CP issues and if this will even take the edge off a little bit....i would be alot happier with suboxone treatment....

I have done the Naproxen, ibuprophen route and it just DESTROYS my stomach...so that can only be an occasional remedy and when my stomach starts acting up...i have to stay far far away from drugs like these!

It never worked on my pain before, but i do wonder if mixed with suboxone...if it would provide ANy relief?


Yes I am prescribed 16mgs of suboxone which next month is being switched to subutex but my sub doctor also prescribes be 120 ultram tabs a month the 50mg tramadol without any APAP for my pain issues, I only got on it to get me through till my pain doc appointment which is two months away, but yes the tramadol does help with the pain albeit a small amount but with the suboxone and 200mgs of tramadol in the morning definately helps better than ibprofun

[doctor diesel]

Yes I am prescribed 16mgs of suboxone which next month is being switched to subutex but my sub doctor also prescribes be 120 ultram tabs a month the 50mg tramadol without any APAP for my pain issues, I only got on it to get me through till my pain doc appointment which is two months away, but yes the tramadol does help with the pain albeit a small amount but with the suboxone and 200mgs of tramadol in the morning definately helps better than ibprofun


In that case I can only imagine that the additional pain relief you're experiencing from tramadol while on subs is due to its noradrenergic and serotonergic characteristics rather than its opioid agonist action, cos 16mg of bupe blocks like a bastard.

Doc

[Ickyuck]

yayz, I just got some tramadol. Just enough for a few days, so at least I won't be sick or craving, I know that. Funny thing how it takes care of the craving for me...

[Synack]

you're not crazy... until recently, I had NEVER felt tramadol whatsoever until I was w/ding from 150mg of intranasal oxymorphone a day and it just give me a fuzzy headache and really helped the w/d.

[nick]

you're not crazy... until recently, I had NEVER felt tramadol whatsoever until I was w/ding from 150mg of intranasal oxymorphone a day and it just give me a fuzzy headache and really helped the w/d.

Pretty much my experience,but I don't get a headache.I get a nasty feeling,like electricity running around my brain.

[Duckfeet]

There you go - another person to find potential in propoxyphene, which almost everyone else condemns.
Did you ever trying mixing it with trams, DF?
Doc

Nah: a few tecates in the morning, and bacardi at night was all the potentiaters I needed...but no, trams always seemed to much like Talwin, to me...I'm glad if others like'em tho...The V.A. hospital is always trying to shove'em down veteran's throats...which is why so many vets are now unhappily down at the methadone clinic...

[Chipper]

it's likely to be a seratonin imbalance, we're all different. Trams seem to agree with me. No recreational value but others find euphoria. It's quite the controversial opiod.

[losangeleslifer]

I kinda like em'. Work great for pain, better than vics. A friend laid some percs on me this eveing for leg pain, only 5s but I aint had any H for 3 months. Just hand fulls of Vics from time to time.

HAve to say the percs works pretty good. 15mg had my pain subsided. No high though.

[rosebud]

I kinda like em'. Work great for pain, better than vics. A friend laid some percs on me this eveing for leg pain, only 5s but I aint had any H for 3 months. Just hand fulls of Vics from time to time.

HAve to say the percs works pretty good. 15mg had my pain subsided. No high though.

I hang my head in Opio shame and admit that not being in pain is hands down way more important to me these days than catching a buzz! :o I know I know, I am not Opio-worthy.......Where do I turn in my club key and the nifty little combo bottle opener/pipe stem/lighter with the Opiophile.org logo on it that comes in the newcomers kit? But Ima keepen the t-shirt though. Just try and pry that from these cold, dead hands! ;)

RB

PS- Trams used to really super-buzz me but now only keep me from getting sick when taken 4 at a time in total desperation. And if I try and get off Trams....lord have mercy on my soul cause the WD from Trams is worse than any WD I have ever gone through. A 50mg Fent patch will barely keep it from doing me in. Who-da Thunk it?:(

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I find tramadol great for wds,absolutely no high though.

Pods are fresh or dried papa somniferum pods.You just make a tea with them.They contain morphine,codeine,thebaine and a whole load of other fun alkaloids.It's kinda like hill billy methadone.

Hey Nick, thanks for 'da info.

I never tried 'em for w/draw, but soon as I gave up the tramadol's I found out they can have some use's especially for a downtime on your d.o.c. ( also heard darvocet's work well for w/draw) wich Is hard to imagine because ther suck a weak opiate.

Anyways gotta run, thanks again!!:)ime
'Till next time, take care ya'll!!!! The Beave!

[Ickyuck]

Right now I'm maintaining with tramadol, and will be for the next few days. It seems to lower my tolerence to "true" opioids as well.. anyone else notice this?

[Chipper]

<snip> It seems to lower my tolerence to "true" opioids as well.. anyone else notice this?

I sure hope you're onto something there Icky. I've got my Trams. and my unprescibed 'done is going to run out soon.

If I'm up to it, I have a week off from work coming up tomorrow and plan to see what switching to low dose Tramadol will do for me. Short-term tolerance reduction is a hot topic for me at this point in my life.

To those interested in Tramadol for tolerance control and detox, stay tuned to this thread ...

[DCBA]

When i have no tolerance to opiates or to tramadol, then i love tramadol too. Its way up there with heroin for me, but it last 10hours or so of pure loving energy followed by pure bliss. I could only wish i could feel tramadol.

[Ickyuck]

When i have no tolerance to opiates or to tramadol, then i love tramadol too. Its way up there with heroin for me, but it last 10hours or so of pure loving energy followed by pure bliss. I could only wish i could feel tramadol.
Yup, I notice that my tolerance to tramadol skyrockets after awhile! Did yours?!

I sure hope you're onto something there Icky. I've got my Trams. and my unprescibed 'done is going to run out soon.

If I'm up to it, I have a week off from work coming up tomorrow and plan to see what switching to low dose Tramadol will do for me. Short-term tolerance reduction is a hot topic for me at this point in my life.

To those interested in Tramadol for tolerance control and detox, stay tuned to this thread ...
Best of luck, Chips. Tramadol won't give you a body high per sae, but it will keep your mind busy!

[Chipper]

Well, I've only tried 50 mgs with a half maint. 'done dose and it made me feel very "normal" (non-sticky/sweaty and calm). I dunno, but I've got a lot of faith in Trams.

If I was on a high dose of methadone and reaching the 24 hr. re-dose time, I'd be popping a Tram. or two to get me through the trough. No doctor would really mind, would they?

[HydroApe]

In my experience Doctors have no problem scripting as much Tram as you ask for.
Even if you're taking an SSRI, which is contraindicated due to the seretonin issues, most docs don't seem to take the warnings seriously.
Either that or I've just had idiot doctors.

[Chipper]

In my experience Doctors have no problem scripting as much Tram as you ask for.
Even if you're taking an SSRI, which is contraindicated due to the seretonin issues, most docs don't seem to take the warnings seriously.
Either that or I've just had idiot doctors.

Good point about the SSRI component. Damn, I forgot about that!. Maybe popping too many Trams in a row isn't such a great idea unless you plan to slowly taper.

Thanks for reminding me.

[Paregoric Kid]

not all doctors are so free with tramadol. when I was younger the doctor refused to give me tramadol because he said all the kids these days were taking them with other drugs to get higher or some bullshit like that. and I know someone who is on an SSRI and their doctor is very careful and advises the person to take the tramadol sparingly. almost every visit it seems their doctor is warning them about the combination.

[REVEREND]

Ive been taking Trams for about a year or so after I got off Done.
They work very good for pain and Ive found that I still don't have a tolerance to them I can take 100-200mgs a day I dont get high but it helps the pain the same as the first time I took them and if im not in pain I can go without them Ive never gone more than a day without but I felt fine.
I really dont like to take Trams if I have H or some other real opiate the Trams seem to cancell the H out and I dont get as high.Trams to me are like Vics without the dopeyness just kinda a head buzz no body buzz.
I do love Trams for WDs.If Im sick I can take 2.5-5mgs of Done and 100-200mgs of tramadol and feel pretty not bad all day.If I dont have any Done the Trams still help a lot its the only thing other than a real opiate that helps with WD pain.
REV

[Chipper]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14723474

Tramadol versus buprenorphine for the treatment of opiate withdrawal: a retrospective cohort control study.

These preliminary data suggest that tramadol may be comparable to buprenorphine in the management of mild to moderately severe heroin withdrawal.

Me: Looks like Trams are getting more useful. And maybe not as scary as Bupe or 'done. Thanks for your post, REVEREND; it's good to hear that.