intranasal Health Issues

[antifox]

Over the past three weeks or so I have experienced pain in my chest when I snort my morning dose of oxycontin. This usually involves a lot of powder, so naturally the mid afternoon dose that is a 1/4 of my morning dose doesn't give the same painful sensation I get in my chest. Naturally I realize it's the pills themselves because if I switch between oxycontin, roxi's, dilaudid, or IR opana I get the exact same feeling. I am wondering how much knowledge opiophile has on the health of the actual pills themselves. I am not too worried about my nasal passage per say, but I am very concerned about the build up of small amounts of pill going into my lungs over the past many years. Searching on google gives me nothing except people on public boards saying "dur it's bad for you dumbass duh it's an opiate what do you expcect~!". I am really wondering how bad it is in the long and short run, what kind of risks the average user faces, which chemicals besides the obvious talc would be toxic to your lungs, and finally how resistant are the lungs to pill exposure over the years.


I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing what's up with this situation because I can't find shit anywhere else. I also think this is a really important discussion, because our generation of opiate users are going to be the first ones to see the long term side effects of pharmaceutical pill exposure via IR consumption. Before oxycontin hit big around 1998 (two years after it's release), there doesn't appear to be any literature describing how anyone snorted pills for a substantial amount of time. Many of us don't have the time line to describe out pill snorting back to 1996 when purdue first made us happy, but many of us can go back to 2000, almost ten years.

Please someone, enlighten me and start listing everything you know. This subject has been tough for me to research over the past fortnight, and even a couple professors at medical school cannot really give me much information on the subject (the ones I feel comfortable enough asking).

[DarthStoner]

I really can't be of much help to you other than to say that I think I read somewhere that talc builds up in the lungs from persistant prescription drug use - though I think it said this was caused from shooting certain pills, not snorting them, though it would seem to make more sense from the latter. My "friend" often snorts his OCs too, so I will keep a close eye on this thread for him. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Hope things get better for you soon.

[Thai_Stick]

The damage done by insufflation is very gradual, and will vary slightly from person to person depending on their techniques and anatomy. If you pull hard enough to get powder into your lungs, you very well could develop lung problems over time.

I would recommend you give yourself some time to heal, switching to a different ROA for at least a few weeks. When SWIM gets nasal pain, a short break from insufflation fixes things up remarkably well.

I would also suggest you try the nasal spray method. Buy afrin original pump mist (afrin bottle that opens up), open it, add an appropriate amount of OC and water (about 50 mg per CC, each pump is .1 cc, so that would be 5mg a pump). If your using OxyContin you can put whole tablets in and let it sit for 12 hours. If your using others you will have disolve/filter the solution.

You'll find the spray to be just as, if not more, efficient and very healthy. I might post a guide of sorts on this in the next couple days because it is just so superior to snorting powder. Im sure most people here are aware that it's done, and understand how it works (no different than an IV solution in a bottle), but it should be used more than it is.

[God_Albino]

my friend developed what was diagnosed as (shit i can't remember the name, when some tissue or divider in your lungs gets dried out and it really hurts), but it was in the midst of snorting a LOT of pills, and seemed to come back during binges, even though docs said it was just smoking related.

[Shadowsblaze]

I do a combination of spray and roxi and when I snort a pill I make sure the nasal cavity is moistened by the spray first and when I draw up on the straw I pull very slowly and move the staw slightly around the cavity to hit different areas so I can feel the burn. No burn you don't get that immediate mellow feeling. I want to feel 1 roxi every time and I do. Here's to good fealings.

[ratfink]

i too wish i could give you some insight but i found myself wondering this same thing a few weeks ago as i snort my subs everyday.

[antifox]

I am going to give that solution method a shot. Yeah I took a break from OC's and went on subs for about 25 days so I could build up my oxy script and also see what happens with that chest pain and upper back pain issue (always in the same spot). For the past three days I haven't had any pain, but the pain did get worst a month ago when I started mixing dillies in with the oxy because let me tell you. 48mg of dilaudid snorted and crushed up is MASSIVE. I think that made a difference because for years before that this only happened occasionaly. I think my greatest concern is the talc, and I am also curious how well one's lungs could adsorb pill material. It is extremely damp in there and I feel that raw chemical would not just sit there with the amount of moisture that is available. In fact, I am more than sure that would happen. I am just curious how one's avoli would stand up to oxycontin liquid solution and where it would go. There are tons of veins and arteries in your lungs and plenty of access to blood stream so I am more than positive it would eventually dissipate there. I am just looking for more insight into people having this issue/what have they heard.

[Thai_Stick]

I am just curious how one's avoli would stand up to oxycontin liquid solution and where it would go. There are tons of veins and arteries in your lungs and plenty of access to blood stream so I am more than positive it would eventually dissipate there. I am just looking for more insight into people having this issue/what have they heard.

go to google and lookup the morphine nebulizer. It's an opiate ROA that utilizes the lungs to absorb morphine.

The fact is that no matter what, your avioli would stand up better to oxycodone liquid solution than oxycodone pill crushed powder. Because of adhesion/cohesion, less water would get into the lungs than would pill powder, and the pill powder has 100x as much shit per mg of OC that will harm the lungs. In essense, your lungs (not just your nostrils) will be spared because almost nothing harmful will go into them. Pure oxycodone I am sure would not stay in the lung, water is not harmful, and you filter out 98% of fillers and chems.



Also, I posted my full guide to the sprayer
(http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?p=410379)
(http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?p=410379#post410379)

[antifox]

Awesome thanks.

I am just worried that a liquid solution would drip down into my stomach and not adsorb in my IR passage and i wouldn't get that rush that I get from snorting powder in 3-5 minutes.