Are Purdue employees in heaven or what?

[nodrover]

I have always thought about what it would be like inside the Purdue Pharma manufacturing plant, because it is located right here in my small state. Do you guys think there are just conveyor belts full of oxycontin tumbling all the time? The employees that work there probably take a piece of the cake? Or not? What does everyone else think?

[youwonhundred]

Probably more like in Hell. I would imagine that there are cameras every fuckin where and you'd get busted for stickin your hand in the cookie jar. I don't think most of us would care that much at the time, and would likely snag some anyway...

Just imagine the temptation, surrounded by all those pretty pills and can't take any. Yep. Hell, as they sit there, taunting you day in and day out.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Probably more like in Hell. I would imagine that there are cameras every fuckin where and you'd get busted for stickin your hand in the cookie jar. I don't think most of us would care that much at the time, and would likely snag some anyway...

Just imagine the temptation, surrounded by all those pretty pills and can't take any. Yep. Hell, as they sit there, taunting you day in and day out.
No doubt man

[OverDriven]

That stuff in incredibly well protected. I would say 99% of the people that work there don't have access to it at all. It's probably basically impossible to steal it.

[Dirt McGirt]

Yeah, they probably get UA'd weekly and watched like a hawk.

Surrounded be pounds of drugs you can't take?

WORST

JOB

EVER!!!!

[lotus]

one of my brothers friends work'd in such a place in s.ontario.....kingston or sudburry or something.....little over a decade ago.

every day he had to suit up in this - he thought it was a cotton thing - with face mask, goggles, and gloves to walk into the plant part that had all kinds of various powders right there (whatever he said i invision'd like giant sterile garbage cans). his job was feeding stuff into machines.

two words - cameras. everywhere.

he didn't know what drugs he was involved with, or if they were even drugs - things didn't have giant labels, and nobody talked about it.....either way, didn't matter as he didn't use and had no desire to try sneak something out (between cameras and security checks he didn't see how you'd ever manage it.......and if you did, what if it was only talc?)

far as i know there were no prerequisites to getting the job - do not recall hearing about piss tests either......tho back then pharmaceuticals weren't in quite the same situation as they are now.

[Nonphixion]

Not a %100 on this but I think i recall reading a story about 1 or 2 guys steals a lot of pills from there, but they were popped. Now i'm not a %100 on this.

-T

[okie dokie]

i have a friend who's mother works in a drug manuf plant and she brings gallon zip lock bags of pills home. she told me they are the pills that fall on the floor or dont pass inspection, too bad it was a gallon bag full of BENADRYL!! dammit

[Narkotikon]

I would think that most employees wouldn't even have contact with the drugs. The machines are probably fully-automated, and make the pills and package and all that without the need of human contact. And if you were in close quarters with some giant tubs of powders or whatever, they probably wouldn't label it "OXYCODONE" or something like that.

It would probably be assigned a number or letter combination or something like that, and the people who could be trusted (because, someone, somewhere in the plant would have to know) would say something like "okay, Person A, go put the contents of tub A into hopper A." That type of thing. They probably wouldn't say "Person A, go put all of the oxycodone powder in tub A into hopper A." If that were the case, that person probably wouldn't be coming back to work because they'd either run like hell with pockets full of powder, or be fired or something.

They also probably have cameras everywhere, inside observers (whose job it is just to watch other employees, but blended in so they don't know they're watching you, etc.), drug screens, and check points where you're searched thoroughly upon entering and exiting work.

It's probably similar to a diamond processing plant. The History Channel had something about diamond production in South Africa, and their plants were like this. Most of the time, people weren't even in contact with the diamonds, because you can't steal what you can't get to. And when they were, they had check points with x-ray machines and all kinds of detectors to see if you've taken anything.

So, yeah, if you were a user, you not only would suffer because of the daily temptation, but also probably be fired pretty quickly because you'd fail the mandatory drug screens.

[Tmac5150]

There used to be a Seatrace plant here in town til a few yrs ago. Swim knows there used to be Tuss DS, Tuss ES and sev. other syrups used to go out the back door somehow by the GALLONS. LOL... I'm not exactly sure how it was done, but it was.

Also, a while back swim's buddy got his hands on about 200 bottles(100 cnt) of Ceta Plus(are they made by Seatrace?). There just 5mg of hydro, but better than nothing. He said his buddy's dad used to run the plant and he had quite a few cases of Ceta's just sitting in the garage. I guess if you run the company you could prolly help yourself at times. Anyway, just my 2 cents...

[drew1503]

Here is an interesting story on Security there: http://www.nowpublic.com/oxycontin_makers_fined_635_million_pharma_scandal

[PriceofPills]

I have always thought about what it would be like inside the Purdue Pharma manufacturing plant, because it is located right here in my small state. Do you guys think there are just conveyor belts full of oxycontin tumbling all the time? The employees that work there probably take a piece of the cake? Or not? What does everyone else think?

I imagine it as a druggie version of "charlie and the chocolate factory" Oompa loompas and everything...

[okie dokie]

I imagine it as a druggie version of "charlie and the chocolate factory" Oompa loompas and everything...

wouldnt they be called Opana Loompas?!?!

[PriceofPills]

Or maybe it's more like New Jack City where all the employees are naked so they can't stuff their pockets....either way, I'd find a place to stuff it.

[Dirt McGirt]

wouldnt they be called Opana Loompas?!?!

Oompa Loopies?

[OverDriven]

Here is an interesting story on Security there: http://www.nowpublic.com/oxycontin_makers_fined_635_million_pharma_scandal

That has nothing to do with security. They were sued because they market oxy as a less addictive drug than alternatives and downplayed it's negative/addictive effects.

[OverDriven]

Or maybe it's more like New Jack City where all the employees are naked so they can't stuff their pockets....either way, I'd find a place to stuff it.

Like my nose.

[drew1503]

That has nothing to do with security. They were sued because they market oxy as a less addictive drug than alternatives and downplayed it's negative/addictive effects.

My apologies big guy. I posted the wrong link.

[wisegal]

Over, i was thinking the same thing, i was like "wtf?" drew, post the right link!

[PriceofPills]

Like my nose.

That and every other orifice I could pack some in.

[OverDriven]

My apologies big guy. I posted the wrong link.

No problem...was just confused why you posted that. Post the link you meant to post originally.

[Suboxstitute]

Years ago (this is no longer allowed) I worked for an orthopedic surgeon. We had X-rays on site, a fully-outfitted "cast-room" for setting broken bones, the whole deal. The drugs reps would bring us lunch, and drop off bottles of Tylenol 3 and #4 - basically before vicodin became so popular (I am dating myself).

The idea was that when someone had a fracture, esp. a displaced fracture or shoulder dislocation, we gave the patient a bottle of eight to take home plus a script to fill in the next day or so.

There was no inventory or anything, and the docs would even tell us "take a couple home, in case you get a toothache something or something."

So we did. I was never that into drugs then (early 20's with a little boy at home) but sure, i would grab a few, and then on Saturdays, since I'd get such a rush from them, I'd be like cleaning the house, doing all kinds of art projects with the kid and friens... etc.

Then, one day they discovered that one of the LPNs had become addicted and was writing scripts for percs forging the doctor's name who she worked for (we were all very good at forgery, we signed insurance papers and letters all the time. If it was just codeine, we could call it in and I did - I still remember my doctor's DEA number if it hasn't been changed; the call-ins were so frequent that all the pharmaciss nearby knew us by voice and by name and by doctor - I called mine in to a different place. No computers to link up - it was super easy......

If the pharmacy called to question her written percs, SHE was the nurse who answered. One day, she got sloppy and tried to get the forged script filled on her day off, and I took the call since I was covering for her, and she knew it! Yet she did not say a THING to me about this, and I would not have given a shit. So we get a call, 'cause she had been filling way too often.

I innocently went back to the doctor she worked for and said "Are you writing percocets for D______? That's how naive I was. Well, he WASN'T writing for her, he pressed charges, and she was arrested at home in front of her kids, husband, and everything. If only she had TOLD me I would NOT have busted her, but she never did tell anyone, really. And she usually answered the phone. And she wrote them in her OWN NAME !!!

This went on for a while.

Years later I saw she had become an RN and won a nurse of the year award, so she must've gone thru rehab and for her license back. But I always felt sorry I had busted her and wondered if she knew it was me.

Sue Just made me think of this.

[Morfiend]

That's like thinkin the people who work for The Bureau of Engraving and Printing are in heaven because they get to take Benjamins home every day.

[OverDriven]

That's like thinkin the people who work for The Bureau of Engraving and Printing are in heaven because they get to take Benjamins home every day.

Haha...true indeed. Someone else made a good point too...the chemicals probably aren't labeled at all. Stealing a white powder without the promise that it's even a drug is a risk that the few people who handle it probably aren't willing to take. I'm sure it has happened before, but it's got to be a very rare occurrence.

[Tony]

When in High School I had a friend who's brother was
a worker in an Upjohn Plant where they made Meth.

This was in the 70's before UA's and such. He used to get
( steal I guess ) Contact capsules and fill them with the Meth
powder. He sold them for 50 cents each or 5 for $2.00.

One was enough to do the job and 5 would keep me awake for
48 hours. It was clean as clean could be. I think that was my
gateway drug. One time at his house I saw a quart baggie full
of the powder.

[Larkin]

since we are all telling stories...

I knew a guy once who was getting pure oxy, hydro and morph powder, i heard about it for a bit and didnt believe a word of it until i got some. and it was amazing, i used to dump the oxy powder in the barrel of my rig and shake. he charged 200/g and slowly went up. the morph and hydro were about half that. he was getting lots fronted to him, and well, we all know what happens from there. but this powder was supposedly coming from a guy at some rx plant who wished to remain nameless. i didnt care cause the powder was the shiiit

[PriceofPills]

since we are all telling stories...

I knew a guy once who was getting pure oxy, hydro and morph powder, i heard about it for a bit and didnt believe a word of it until i got some. and it was amazing, i used to dump the oxy powder in the barrel of my rig and shake. he charged 200/g and slowly went up. the morph and hydro were about half that. he was getting lots fronted to him, and well, we all know what happens from there. but this powder was supposedly coming from a guy at some rx plant who wished to remain nameless. i didnt care cause the powder was the shiiit


Oh, yah? Well I got this magical cupboard that I put toys in and it makes them come to life!

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14060000/14067309.JPG

[Larkin]

Oh, yah? Well I got this magical cupboard that I put toys in and it makes them come to life!



duh, where do you think i met this "guy" at. I didnt meet him. I put my old toxic avenger action figure in the cabinet and boom! the rest is history

[nodrover]

http://www.pharmamanufacturing.com/articles/2005/307.html

Here is the article about the security.... pretty tight I must say

[rosebud]

Ok, since we are telling fun bedtime stories....In HS, an older friend worked as a hospital orderly. Every few weekends he had a nitrous party, catering the events himself by way of diverting canisters of NO to the hospital's back loading dock. Buddy pulled up and they would roll the tanks into the back of his pick-up-viola! They had it down, he would even return empties and exchange em for full ones (a recycling pioneer!). They were operating room canisters-used for surgery, @ 4-5 ft tall and VERY heavy.
They would easily last a whole weekend for a party of 50-60 peeps. :party:
Once a dude was taking a hit straight out of the nozzle (id-jit, everyone else filled balloons) went too far of course, passed out and dropped that bad boy on his leg and snapped his tibea bone like a twig! Now what to do-aye? Bundle him into a car and get him to ER before the NO wears off and he starts feeling the pain. 2 dudes rolled him into the ER waiting room in a wheelchair and blew outta there (AKA "drop & chop"). Everyone was freaked he would be so fucked up/in pain he'd blow the whole gig but no....next party, there he is, leaning the tank against his leg cast-taking hits from the nozzle again :rolleyes:. Dems da good ole days man..:drinkit:

[OverDriven]

since we are all telling stories...

I knew a guy once who was getting pure oxy, hydro and morph powder, i heard about it for a bit and didnt believe a word of it until i got some. and it was amazing, i used to dump the oxy powder in the barrel of my rig and shake. he charged 200/g and slowly went up. the morph and hydro were about half that. he was getting lots fronted to him, and well, we all know what happens from there. but this powder was supposedly coming from a guy at some rx plant who wished to remain nameless. i didnt care cause the powder was the shiiit

I believe you. I mean we are all anonymous names on an internet forum...I don't see why you would have a reason to make it up. I'm sure things like this happen from time to time, but the people who pull this shit off have got to be borderline insane IMO. I mean I'm sure that missing powder can't go unnoticed for long, and I'm also sure that the companies keep a very tight watch on anyone who might have access to it.

[oxy kid]

since we are all telling stories...

I knew a guy once who was getting pure oxy, hydro and morph powder, i heard about it for a bit and didnt believe a word of it until i got some. and it was amazing, i used to dump the oxy powder in the barrel of my rig and shake. he charged 200/g and slowly went up. the morph and hydro were about half that. he was getting lots fronted to him, and well, we all know what happens from there. but this powder was supposedly coming from a guy at some rx plant who wished to remain nameless. i didnt care cause the powder was the shiiit

So, was this story in the past few years? SWIM happen to run across an old friend in North Alabama who told me about some powder hydro and oxy...he had been unreliable a few times, So i just kind of ignored him....but turned out to be all legit after I talked to another friend. Ha....I bet that stuff was freaking AWESOME

[digby]

Ok, since we are telling fun bedtime stories....In HS, an older friend worked as a hospital orderly. Every few weekends he had a nitrous party, catering the events himself by way of diverting canisters of NO to the hospital's back loading dock. Buddy pulled up and they would roll the tanks into the back of his pick-up-viola! They had it down, he would even return empties and exchange em for full ones (a recycling pioneer!). They were operating room canisters-used for surgery, @ 4-5 ft tall and VERY heavy.
They would easily last a whole weekend for a party of 50-60 peeps. :party:
Once a dude was taking a hit straight out of the nozzle (id-jit, everyone else filled balloons) went too far of course, passed out and dropped that bad boy on his leg and snapped his tibea bone like a twig! Now what to do-aye? Bundle him into a car and get him to ER before the NO wears off and he starts feeling the pain. 2 dudes rolled him into the ER waiting room in a wheelchair and blew outta there (AKA "drop & chop"). Everyone was freaked he would be so fucked up/in pain he'd blow the whole gig but no....next party, there he is, leaning the tank against his leg cast-taking hits from the nozzle again :rolleyes:. Dems da good ole days man..:drinkit:

God Rosebud, we must live in parallel universes. I must know that same guy. Only at our party with 50-60 peeps, some girl turned the valve on too fast and frosted her windpipe. She had to be taken to the hospital, but the party raged on... Dems indeed da good ole days

[rosebud]

God Rosebud, we must live in parallel universes. I must know that same guy. Only at our party with 50-60 peeps, some girl turned the valve on too fast and frosted her windpipe. She had to be taken to the hospital, but the party raged on... Dems indeed da good ole days

Holy Shit! I imagine that could do some perm damage to vocal chords too!

Yes, I think this happened a lot more back in the days before heavy security and widespread script drug abuse. This hospital didnt even have any alarms, security cams anything. Now granted it was in a state in the Rockies-you know, the one that Frank Z dreamed about moving to soon-sumpin bout being a dental floss tycoon.....;)

Of course this guy was not only back in the thick of it a the next party, but even bragging about how much easier it was to balance the canister on his cast and take a hit straight from the nozzle...Just gotta hope for natural selection in cases like that! :speechles

[PriceofPills]

Ok, since we are telling fun bedtime stories....In HS, an older friend worked as a hospital orderly. Every few weekends he had a nitrous party, catering the events himself by way of diverting canisters of NO to the hospital's back loading dock. Buddy pulled up and they would roll the tanks into the back of his pick-up-viola! They had it down, he would even return empties and exchange em for full ones (a recycling pioneer!). They were operating room canisters-used for surgery, @ 4-5 ft tall and VERY heavy.
They would easily last a whole weekend for a party of 50-60 peeps. :party:
Once a dude was taking a hit straight out of the nozzle (id-jit, everyone else filled balloons) went too far of course, passed out and dropped that bad boy on his leg and snapped his tibea bone like a twig! Now what to do-aye? Bundle him into a car and get him to ER before the NO wears off and he starts feeling the pain. 2 dudes rolled him into the ER waiting room in a wheelchair and blew outta there (AKA "drop & chop"). Everyone was freaked he would be so fucked up/in pain he'd blow the whole gig but no....next party, there he is, leaning the tank against his leg cast-taking hits from the nozzle again :rolleyes:. Dems da good ole days man..:drinkit:


Whippets!.....almost as good as a crack hit for making my head go "woo woo"

[dragonnas]

i have a friend who's mother works in a drug manuf plant and she brings gallon zip lock bags of pills home. she told me they are the pills that fall on the floor or dont pass inspection, too bad it was a gallon bag full of BENADRYL!! dammit

Friend of mine rolled thru one day with a gallon ziplock bag full o' blue pills. After I had finished pissing my pants, he told me they were ALEVE. Same situation, mom's boyfriend works at the factory, etc etc. I still have a tupperware container in my closet full of those things, I probably have 500 left.

While this stuff happens with OTC meds, I highly doubt its possible to walk out of a C2 factory with full pockets like that. But in my dreams one day...

[nodrover]

Haha... I like the way this thread turned out!

[youwonhundred]

Funny story from years past since its story time. :p

Was with my sis at the meth clinic, and we ran across this dude. No idea where he got it from, but he invited us to lunch, so we went. Dude handed me an 8 ball or so of the best powder i've ever done wrapped in a bill. Twenty I think, but thats not the point. It was the best powder I've done before or since and I think we spent the next couple weeks so geeked out on powder, I really don't remember much except having to go to work in a restaurant in the summertime wearing long sleeves.

[Dan Steely]

It's a good thing I don't have any inside info because one day somewhere there would be a truck with a hole in it. I'm not a very criminal type but the opportunity for a million dollar payday and a shitload of pharm grade would probably make me take the chance.

[bodytec]

since we are all telling stories...

I knew a guy once who was getting pure oxy, hydro and morph powder, i heard about it for a bit and didnt believe a word of it until i got some. and it was amazing, i used to dump the oxy powder in the barrel of my rig and shake. he charged 200/g and slowly went up. the morph and hydro were about half that. he was getting lots fronted to him, and well, we all know what happens from there. but this powder was supposedly coming from a guy at some rx plant who wished to remain nameless. i didnt care cause the powder was the shiiit


same situation here in my state about 2 years ago. a guy was taking oxy powder home from a perc plant and began to sell it after he stored up a lot.
he was selling a G for $45!!!!!!!!
then he eventually got nabbed and the guy that dist. for him got robbed.

[Larkin]

So, was this story in the past few years? SWIM happen to run across an old friend in North Alabama who told me about some powder hydro and oxy...he had been unreliable a few times, So i just kind of ignored him....but turned out to be all legit after I talked to another friend. Ha....I bet that stuff was freaking AWESOME


It was about 2 years ago and it was around for 6 months or so. The reason it stopped flowing wasnt the guy on the inside, it was the guy he sold directly too. He was an addict and didnt have the money to pay off the 2k or something he owed the guy.

OverDriven.. yeah i mean, i COULD make this up, but i really have no reason to. Its not like anyone would even be impressed with it, which isnt what im going for anyway. Plus, i'm sure this happens more often than people think, especially the more expensive OC's get.

I wish i knew about dilaudid and opana then, i would have asked for it. But that was when i was using oc and only snorting. Just as i started poking is when the powder ran out. I got to shoot it a handful of times then it was ripped away.

[More Feen]

Yeah, they probably get UA'd weekly and watched like a hawk.

Surrounded be pounds of drugs you can't take?

WORST

JOB

EVER!!!!

My Point Exactly! At such a place, urinalysis would be done weekly, if not more frequent.

M F

[skc74]

Controlled drug manafacturers have security on a par with currency printers and gold bullion storage and these days pretty much all of the process is automated and processed in enclosed tamper-free systems,with exact measuring of weights of powders and liquids,and programs that flag up discrepancies,and i'd imagine there would be very limited access to the whole process by people,and only then for quality control etc.,we'd like to imagine scooping a sneaky handful of powder and hiding it,but in reality,as i said its all done in enclosed systems,including the bit where the powders are put into ampoules or sealed into blister packs,the only vulnerable points i'd imagine are the packing it into boxes,or delivery to the pharmacy,and even these will have multiple paper trails,so once there's a suspicion of theft,it'd be easy to note at what point it happened. I know at the mcfarlan smith plant in scotland who produce all the controlled drugs of note,when the production run is for fentanyl,the people who monitor the numbers,or do part of the process manually,they have to wear those big spacesuits with oxygen because obviously of the danger of exposure and theres apicture of this on their website under the heading of small scale manafacture,where theyre wearing those yellow suits.www.macsmith.com

[Papa Verine]

How do they ship these big barrels of "powder" around???

There has to be a weak link in the system somewhere...

Are controlled chemicals synthesized and made into pills at the same facility?

How about China? (the country) How do they do it in India or China? I bet there's some diversion going on in countries like that.

Maybe we should plan a vacation?

[bodytec]

the company was qualitest that swim saw powder from.

[mikey5string]

i wonder if they CII's are delivered w a pharmacy's regular drug shipment or if they come separately in an armored truck with armed guards or something.

[OverDriven]

i wonder if they CII's are delivered w a pharmacy's regular drug shipment or if they come separately in an armored truck with armed guards or something.

They are delivered by a regular UPS truck. The drive doesn't know what's in the boxes of course.

[dragonnas]

They are delivered by a regular UPS truck. The drive doesn't know what's in the boxes of course.

Not true. There was a post somewhere else on this forum about delivery of cIIs. Basically they use a "secure delivery service" staffed by ex-military drivers and loaders. SWIM (an actual swim who posted on this forum) posted he saw what HAS to have been one of those deliveries, a nondescript truck pulling up with a guy built like a dump truck dropping off one small box while the pharmacy employees looked all tense like something could happen at any moment.

If I was gonna fuck with the supply line, I would fuck with the pharmacy or the pre-manufacture, because once they are in pill form at the factory they are very highly guarded for very good reason.

[harmonik]

In the mid 80's, my dad remembers knowing some guy who worked at a pharm. production plant.. He got 5 years for throwing bags of diazepam (not yet pressed) over the razor wire fence to a housemate.. Cameras got 'em.

[Restharrow]

I had a good friend who worked at a plant manufacturing a controlled substance. A FEW employees who knew what was kept where were in heaven.

Most of the employees did NOT know what the powders and liquids were. Everything was kept in numbered vats and the numbers rotated to make diversion harder.

My wife works at a bank, but has no opportunity to "sample" the merchandise.

Will

[bigNasty]

Not true. There was a post somewhere else on this forum about delivery of cIIs. Basically they use a "secure delivery service" staffed by ex-military drivers and loaders. SWIM (an actual swim who posted on this forum) posted he saw what HAS to have been one of those deliveries, a nondescript truck pulling up with a guy built like a dump truck dropping off one small box while the pharmacy employees looked all tense like something could happen at any moment.

If I was gonna fuck with the supply line, I would fuck with the pharmacy or the pre-manufacture, because once they are in pill form at the factory they are very highly guarded for very good reason.
It must depend on which state you are in because i used to date a girl that worked at a pharmacy, she was the one that controlled inventory and re-ordered the drugs at that, and she said UPS delivered ALL their drugs. And i remember taking her lunch or coming up there to talk to her, and the UPS guy would be there dropping off boxes of drugs

[OverDriven]

Not true. There was a post somewhere else on this forum about delivery of cIIs. Basically they use a "secure delivery service" staffed by ex-military drivers and loaders. SWIM (an actual swim who posted on this forum) posted he saw what HAS to have been one of those deliveries, a nondescript truck pulling up with a guy built like a dump truck dropping off one small box while the pharmacy employees looked all tense like something could happen at any moment.

You heard a story someone on a forum made up, and now you are taking it as fact. They are delivered to the pharmacies by UPS.

[dragonnas]

You heard a story someone on a forum made up, and now you are taking it as fact. They are delivered to the pharmacies by UPS.

Meh, it was here. I just don't care to search to find who posted it. It makes more sense to me that the cIIs would be delivered separately. However, in america, policy doesn't always have to make sense.

[StackBundles]

In the article it said that transportation from the plant to the WHOLESALER is heavily guarded, nothing about transition to the retailers. That's where the RFID tags come into play... So the retailers know they are recieving legit product. Counterfeiting was the main reason for the RFID, so retailers could verify the authenticity... If the shit was getting transported to WALMART in an armored vehicle, why in the fuck would they waste all that money on tracking technology...???

Anyone in any small towns ever see an armored truck frequenting your local pharmacy? Doubt it. I say small towns because armored couriers are more likely to be noticed.

Most of the big pharma companies outsource their raw materials, usually from companies located overseas. There is the weak link in a supply chain. Research it. I have seen kilograms of oxymorphone, oxycodone, etc. being wholesaled by chemical manufacturers. All of that shit is to be had on the open market if you are clever enough to find a way. Research it first before calling bullshit. I have seen, with my own eyes, grams of hydromorphone powder sourced from these very channels.

Ever wonder where compounding pharmacies get their product from? It has to come from somewhere. I highly doubt that Purdue has poppy crops somewhere(they don't) and all of their oxycodone is produced in house(it isn't).

I should note that the hydromorph powder that I saw was had through semi-legit channels by an unscrupulous individual... Although, if one was clever enough, it wouldn't be impossible for one to obtain the shit for themselves.

[rosebud]

At my pharmacy it is HIGHLY secure......Some young dude pulls up in a white van, blasting music with the window down, hops out and runs in a box that he leaves on the counter. Thazzz Cali for ya!:rolleyes:

[ox-e]

I can confirm what some people have said. these types of narcotics DO NOT GET SHIPPED by UPS or fedex or anything of the sort from pharm companies. My uncle is a truck driver for one of the larger ones, He never knows the route until the last minute. His truck is armored and very secure, He has a guard in the back as well as they make you get a license to carry a gun. He is not allowed to see or even touch anything until hes at the destination to open the back of the truck up with authorization.

From what he has told me, he carries giant tubs of pills and or powder form of drugs mostly narcotics and expensive antibiotics. He has to be exactly on time each delivery, there are no stops at all, if he has to take a bathroom break a second driver switches mid road and he relieves himself in the other part of the truck bathroom. He gets paid very well for the job due to the high risk. People do rob these trucks and a lot of people have died from it, its just not something you hear a lot on the news about. They constantly update by gps/radio every few minutes.

He has seen them a few times before they have been loaded and unloaded. and let me tell you, whether or not they are opiates or other goodies. Some of the tubs must have over 100,000 pills per container. then they get unloaded at a wholesaler who splits them into the proper labeled bottles and pills. Nothing he transports is named, its all numbers or code. So if someone wanted to actually break into the truck somehow, they would either have to steal everything and test it or know exactly what they needed. I had a very long talk about my uncle with this, took a long time to get all the information out of him because he was supposed to be sworn to secrecy.

edit- about the RF ID tags now, that seems like something they would do too I just never heard any mention of them. Since it would be a lot easier to verify everything you received like that.

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I can confirm what some people have said. these types of narcotics DO NOT GET SHIPPED by UPS or fedex or anything of the sort from pharm companies. My uncle is a truck driver for one of the larger ones, He never knows the route until the last minute. His truck is armored and very secure, He has a guard in the back as well as they make you get a license to carry a gun. He is not allowed to see or even touch anything until hes at the destination to open the back of the truck up with authorization.

From what he has told me, he carries giant tubs of pills and or powder form of drugs mostly narcotics and expensive antibiotics. He has to be exactly on time each delivery, there are no stops at all, if he has to take a bathroom break a second driver switches mid road and he relieves himself in the other part of the truck bathroom. He gets paid very well for the job due to the high risk. People do rob these trucks and a lot of people have died from it, its just not something you hear a lot on the news about. They constantly update by gps/radio every few minutes.

He has seen them a few times before they have been loaded and unloaded. and let me tell you, whether or not they are opiates or other goodies. Some of the tubs must have over 100,000 pills per container. then they get unloaded at a wholesaler who splits them into the proper labeled bottles and pills. Nothing he transports is named, its all numbers or code. So if someone wanted to actually break into the truck somehow, they would either have to steal everything and test it or know exactly what they needed. I had a very long talk about my uncle with this, took a long time to get all the information out of him because he was supposed to be sworn to secrecy.

edit- about the RF ID tags now, that seems like something they would do too I just never heard any mention of them. Since it would be a lot easier to verify everything you received like that.

As stated earlier, we are talking about transporting them to the RETAILER via UPS, not the wholesaler.