Homegrown heroin

[China white]

Sorry for all these threads ive started people...but I've had questions building up for a long time. Next spring I plan on making my own opium/morphine base/heroin from seed to powder. I think I will be ok up until the opium part maybe that is. First off....how tough is the chemistry....does one have to be a chemist or could swim just follow a list of directions. I was think about going down to the university, sitting in on some upper level chemistry classes and maybe make some new friends. Since these people will have bachelor degrees in chem. would it be pretty basic for them to do it? Or is it something like thats basically PHd level kind of thing. Cus I remember reading how when the Cali cartel was just getting into H they had to fly in a special chemist all the way from Japan.
Ive also heard that H to opium is 10 to 1....so if I got 10 oz of opium taht would be a nice 1oz of fucking pure #4! Is this possible guys...or am I dreaming? Also this may vary from state to stae...but my bro was telling me that growing papaver somniferum is legal and it's not illigal until one has scored the pod. Is that true??? Can anyone answer that? Cus I live in the city and growing and hiding these willl be an issue by itself. I only have about 20ft by 20ft.

[Ickyuck]

How many pods you think you will able to grow?

[mikey5string]

i think the problem youre going to have is acquiring the chemicals (AA) that are required to get heroin from morphine. they're probably watched very closely and i bet youd get in a whole heap of trouble if they found a patch of opium poppys and a bag of AA in one spot.

[Ickyuck]

Well darnit, let me use the MFSE and....

EDIT: I can't find that darned thread. Does anyone know which one I'm talking about? It was the "heroin from start to finish" sorta one.

China White, you have your work cut out for you. I mean, seriously...

[nhop]

The chemistry is easy. Think about it, illiterate peasants in Afghanistan, Mexico & Colombia are the ones who make the dope now...

The hard part is acquiring the right chemicals & the raw materials. To produce 10 kilos of opium, you would need 25 acres of poppies.

[stephenISall]

easy to make heroin. ive done it for years. i do it all the time. bathtub heroin i call it. easier than you think. and you can just eat the opium instead of making heroin. you'll be plenty high.

[nick]

If it was easy to make heroin......we'd ALL be doing it.

[tonyk]

If it was easy to make heroin......we'd ALL be doing it.
That's for fucking sure!!!:D

[stephenISall]

exactly, thats why i tried to make a joke of it. guess it didnt work too well :rolleyes:

[tonyk]

exactly, thats why i tried to make a joke of it. guess it didnt work too well :rolleyes:
OH, ok, Stephen, it wasnt particularly clear. Well, I am going outside now and graze down on my poppy patch. Do ya think an acre's worth will get me high???:D

[SeVeN]

Well darnit, let me use the MFSE and....

EDIT: I can't find that darned thread. Does anyone know which one I'm talking about? It was the "heroin from start to finish" sorta one.

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http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=700

[squareone]

The chemistry is easy. Think about it, illiterate peasants in Afghanistan, Mexico & Colombia are the ones who make the dope now...

The hard part is acquiring the right chemicals & the raw materials. To produce 10 kilos of opium, you would need 25 acres of poppies.
That's not true, to a chemist it is an extremely easy process. My prof at my community college was telling me in Cuba a brain surgeon was lugging around his baggage and when he asked why he said it was because he was paid more for carrying luggage, my prof said its just how the health care syste worked, so I assume that applies to chemist too. I know in Mexico they hire chemist to come in and train cartel workers to make the tar and eventually they can train others.

oh yeahh watch my GIF on my profile, it shows how afghans make 99% pure heroin

[krinkov]

If it was easy to make heroin......we'd ALL be doing it.

You sure have a way of making the answer simple.:)

[DreamSellerInc]

If you had just a couple square yards of poppies, In ideal conditions how much opium do you think could be yielded?

That's not true, to a chemist it is an extremely easy process. My prof at my community college was telling me in Cuba a brain surgeon was lugging around his baggage and when he asked why he said it was because he was paid more for carrying luggage, my prof said its just how the health care syste worked, so I assume that applies to chemist too. I know in Mexico they hire chemist to come in and train cartel workers to make the tar and eventually they can train others.

oh yeahh watch my GIF on my profile, it shows how afghans make 99% pure heroin

that was hard to follow.

[squareone]

If you had just a couple square yards of poppies, In ideal conditions how much opium do you think could be yielded?



that was hard to follow.
sorry. i was all over the place.

[More Feen]

Some of the "Jungle Chemistry" can be fairly easy, but having someone who KNOWS what they're doing and can explain the steps and what to look for, and look out for, etc... can be a big help, and confidence booster.

For example:
Oftentimes if you're doing a non-polar pull when purifying a chem, the aqueous layer will be beneath the organic layer. But some agents--like chloroform--will lay beneath the aqeous layer, so the water is on top. If you don't know exactly what you're doing, you will toss the good stuff and keep the crap.

This is where having a knowlegeable person can boost your skills. They can suggest decent substitutions using chemicals bought at supermarkets/hardware stores, etc....

Hanging around university organic chem. students asking specific questions could draw unwanted attention. Even if you think you're phrasing your question "innocently enough," most people would probably realize the true nature of your questions:

..."Say guy, if I wanted isolate caffeine from my morning cup of coffee, what would be the best organic solvent to use? Have you got any separatory funnels I could borrow?"

I would suggest, even if you're not interested in pursuing a specific degree in Chemistry, you could audit, or even sign up for a few chemistry classes at a nearby college. Start with some general chem, and work up to some organic classes.

Its possible that if you keep your intentions well-hidden, and just show an interest in the science, a professor might ask you to help him/her do some research. You'd have access to a wide variety of helpful tools, instruments and reagents.

Hell, you might even decide that chemistry is interesting enough (and it is) that you could persue a degree in it. If LE ever questioned your possession of glassware, etc..., your lies would sound much more convincing if you were an actual chemistry student, as a opposed to "doing some ch'mstry--you know, as a hobby!"

M F

[Ickyuck]

I bet we squished ol' china white's dreams. :rolleyes:

[China white]

Mor feen ...thanx for the advice...I like the way you put things..im laughing my ass off right now. My intentions were to maybe head down to the university...which I graduated from, not that that matters, but it helps a bit..and maybe befriend the right guy.....and just give it to him straight when i feel the time is right and offer him some cash. But I like your idea more i think...I had a really bad experience with a high school chemistry teacher and ever since then ive been turned off by the whole subject...it sux how one person/teacher can do that. But the more and more I read and talk about this sort of thing I want to learn it..so i might take you up on that idea.

[duck]

check out the book Hydroponic Heroin, it has pretty detailed tutorials for growing poppies indoor, and then the processes to take them to other chemicals -- morphine, heroin, etc. etc.

The book is rare and cost swim $100 on ebay a while back...and its short, only 90 small pages or so. But it is more informative than anything I've found online.

[OverDriven]

If you had just a couple square yards of poppies, In ideal conditions how much opium do you think could be yielded?

A few grams of opium.

[InfectedMushroom]

God damnit why does this thread pop up every two weeks? God damn Google it

[squareone]

Another thing. Do you know how many pods it would take and how many people it would take to collect all the latex?

[duck]

that's the whole issue -- a 20x20ft space is not NEAR enough room to produce any worthwhile amount of gear....It'd def. be more costly than buying it off the street for sure.

[chopstix]

I heard if you soak donkey poop in vinegar, under a *really* hot sun for at least two weeks, you can pass it off as tar; and I'm pretty sure that's what they were selling last time I copped any tar here..

[BillyPilgrim]

If your after heroin you could save months of hard work growing poppies and just try and score a cheap box of morphine off someone who has injured themselves then make some homebake. You could even go from codeine -> morphine if you have the right chemical.

btw, i'v met plenty of people who would absolutely KILL to try some proper opium. I'd leave it as it is.

[China white]

how difficult is homebake??? is 4000mgs of morphine sulfate enough??

[BillyPilgrim]

how difficult is homebake??? is 4000mgs of morphine sulfate enough??

Havn't looked into it that much but I imagine you would be following the same procedure you would of after you had extracted(isolated?) the morphine from your opium.

[chopstix]

how difficult is homebake??? is 4000mgs of morphine sulfate enough??

Then you just need AA, good luck in the US..

[squareone]

Then you just need AA, good luck in the US..
Im sure schools have it?

[The_Highwayman]

What is AA??

[OverDriven]

My intentions were to maybe head down to the university...which I graduated from, not that that matters, but it helps a bit..and maybe befriend the right guy.....and just give it to him straight when i feel the time is right and offer him some cash.

I'm sorry, but are you insane? Enjoy your time in prison.

No one is going to make drugs for you. 99.9% of chem students would report you to the police for making an offer like that. People who take o-chem in college are typically motivated to go places in life, and they aren't going to risk 20 years in prison to supply some junkie with drugs unless you have a LARGE chunk of cash to throw at them. And if you're going to use huge amounts of cash, then why not just buy heroin? The whole idea is just bad, and IMO you're asking for a one way ticket to prison.

[Opiyum]

What is AA??

Acetic Anhydride. It's a necessary precursor to make an acetylated morphine (Diacetylmorphine aka Heroin).
The only place you can find the stuff is where film is developed and just having the stuff is illegal. It's on the DEA's top 40 list (They collaborated with Casey Casem).

Why someone would want to make heroin from scratch is beyond me. Sure if you have a bunch of morphine maybe but even then it's more of a hassle than it's worth and considering the increased risk it's just a bonehead Idea.
You could go buy dope and if bought in a small enough quantity then your looking at a misdemeanor. You go this route and your then looking at manufacture of a schedule 1 substance. So it's either...lots of work, lots of time and money invested, chance of blowing up and 10-15 years in jail for what would most likely be shitty dope since you don't know what your doing OR take a fifteen minute ride, exchange cash for dope, dissolve in water and enjoy.

If you wanna cook up your own dope then a better idea (if that's what you wanna call this) would be to look into manufacturing fentanyl. There are recipes out there that are relatively easy with some basic chemistry knowledge and because of it's potency you can get a great many doses from a small amount of product. Did I say better idea? These are both stupid ideas. The fent one makes slightly more sense is all. Hell give4n your screen name I'm surprised that you haven't mentioned Fent yet.

[OxiContinKing]

acetic anhydride

edit : didnt realize there was a third page already - whoops

[China white]

Overdiven....it sounds like you are a Phd in chemistry student psychology since you know what....what was it 99.9% of them are going to say and do. Someone that wants to experiment with alkaloid extraction obviously must be going nowhere as well..I'll be sure to remember that. Since you can determine that I'm "some junky" by reading a couple of posts
Sounds as if your an expert in the law as well since your so intimate with prison sentences and time. Sounds like maybe you've been there a few times.
The reason I query these things is because I'm sick of making some gang banger rich because the U.S. government drives the price up by 300% by prohibiting the drugs of their choice. Spending $25,000 a year on H sucks and there's a list of problems that go along with buying H off the street and even more problems with my location. Powder is 150 for a gram that weighs .8. That probably is around 15-20% pure if that. The tar is of good quality but hey, lets face it....its tar. So im in between a rock and a hard place. And again im sick of making some dude rich just because I have no other choice. And Im not saying all dealers are gangsters either but here in minneapolis most of them seem to live that sort of life.
Your right, it isn't a very good idea, but at first glance, I don't think it seems that far fetched. Later in life when I have the means and opportunity I think I will explore this idea further. This tar is just so fucking dirty man its rare that we see good china/powder around here and you'll have to spend to 500 dollars buying different 20's to find it. If I lived in CHicago or New York things wouldnt be as bad for me. Im going to just have to cut back for a while.
Also...I don't meet a lot of people that I can relate to in this manner. And if I do there is really no way to know it. And most of the people I do meet that do opiates/opioid live very fucked up lives homeless/criminals/ outkasted by their families ...(which may or may not be their fault (see U.S. gov't above which is a whole other conversation) it took me a long time to get a handle on this way of life. So anyways I value this website and its members very much so and when you basically call me an idiot for exploring an idea it makes me feel very uncombfortable when maybe something else comes up that I'd like to know about. It may sound lame but it's true...I don;t have anywhere else to go with most of these issues. I don't mean to sound like a dick and i do appreciate you looking out for me instead of saying..."yeah..thats a great idea..check these classes out...i know a good professor who'd be perfect to ask"

[StackBundles]

China... If you can get decent tar you should check out the currently active thread titled "Wanna see what's in my dope?" Mayo posted a rather efficient method for cleaning that shit up to relatively pure Diacetyl base in a few fairly easy steps. If you can get your head around that I am sure you can get your head around other shit you are interested in.

Also, you are close enough to the Chi to maybe make the trip to scout out the scene. Head south. Avoid the westside. You should be able to find a fairly professional, reliable dealer if you put in a little work. Do things right, gain enough trust and you probably would only need to make that journey once a month, and spend half as much.

[China white]

I was thinking the same thing man............I thought I wanted to avoid the southside and go to the westside...like somewhere off XXXX........as opposed to XXXX over south...I know from reading opiophil that If you go south Im gunna have to actually go into a building...project builing most likely and on the west side i could do it from my car(not a good idea I heard) or just off the street corner on foot.......i just dont want to get jacked coming in or out of a building...so south huh

[StackBundles]

Copping in your ride off the West Side with out of state plates? You'll be in the Cicero lock up faster than you can blink. It'll cost you no less than 1200 to get your ride back, and that's on day one. Stay away from the West Side. The dope was shitty last time I was round those parts anyways. Plus, I got knocked... Haha.

Go South young man. You don't have to worry about getting jacked if you are copping from a spot. They want repeat custos and a reputation for quality. Copping out of your ride is a good way to get ripped anyway. Ask for a cell number. Go from there. Most of the cats you will come across are on some business shit and will be accomidating. Money talks. Just be cool your first few times, get to know your dude, and make sure he is gonna' be able to meet your needs... Maybe get a room for the weekend. Don't go flashing stacks and shit. Start small, get your number, cop a few jabs, then see about grams...

[Opiyum]

Overdiven....it sounds like you are a Phd in chemistry student psychology since you know what....what was it 99.9% of them are going to say and do. Someone that wants to experiment with alkaloid extraction obviously must be going nowhere as well..I'll be sure to remember that. Since you can determine that I'm "some junky" by reading a couple of posts
Sounds as if your an expert in the law as well since your so intimate with prison sentences and time. Sounds like maybe you've been there a few times.
The reason I query these things is because I'm sick of making some gang banger rich because the U.S. government drives the price up by 300% by prohibiting the drugs of their choice. Spending $25,000 a year on H sucks and there's a list of problems that go along with buying H off the street and even more problems with my location. Powder is 150 for a gram that weighs .8. That probably is around 15-20% pure if that. The tar is of good quality but hey, lets face it....its tar. So im in between a rock and a hard place. And again im sick of making some dude rich just because I have no other choice. And Im not saying all dealers are gangsters either but here in minneapolis most of them seem to live that sort of life.
Your right, it isn't a very good idea, but at first glance, I don't think it seems that far fetched. Later in life when I have the means and opportunity I think I will explore this idea further. This tar is just so fucking dirty man its rare that we see good china/powder around here and you'll have to spend to 500 dollars buying different 20's to find it. If I lived in CHicago or New York things wouldnt be as bad for me. Im going to just have to cut back for a while.
Also...I don't meet a lot of people that I can relate to in this manner. And if I do there is really no way to know it. And most of the people I do meet that do opiates/opioid live very fucked up lives homeless/criminals/ outkasted by their families ...(which may or may not be their fault (see U.S. gov't above which is a whole other conversation) it took me a long time to get a handle on this way of life. So anyways I value this website and its members very much so and when you basically call me an idiot for exploring an idea it makes me feel very uncombfortable when maybe something else comes up that I'd like to know about. It may sound lame but it's true...I don;t have anywhere else to go with most of these issues. I don't mean to sound like a dick and i do appreciate you looking out for me instead of saying..."yeah..thats a great idea..check these classes out...i know a good professor who'd be perfect to ask"


I completely understand your frustration with the system and what it takes just to get some dope. It sucks having to deal with people who don't think twice about ending someones life and having to deal with impure product (especially tar which I'm thankful I dont have to deal with) and god knows what kind of cutting agents. That's just the tip of the iceberg and I have4 had the same ideas about trying to find a short cut and have4 gone as far as getting a garden set up and planting some seeds (though they never took) for me it was a kind of hobby I was picking up and just an interesting thing to try. I never did put too much effort into it and eventually gave up on the idea although someday I'm gonna try growing poppies again just as a novelty and only for the raw opium. I kinda promised myself that if I do relapse now it has to be only with drugs I produce on my own. Like my DMT and maybe someday the poppies.
You can and should do whatever you want to and if you really put your mind to it of course you will be able to make your own heroin but when asking these sort of things in this sort of place you should be prepared to here what the downsides and risks are of doing trying such a thing.
I personally think this is only something that could work if a person had a great deal of time on their hands, their own house without any snooping neighbors, their own greenhouse or patch of land (1-3 acres) that would be out of the line of sight of drivers or hunters, a good deal of money to invest and a stable and safe means of getting or producing AA.
Also everything that it would take to learn all the ins and outs of this won't be found in a place like this. A lot would be trial and error and best learned in a classroom (chemistry fundamentals).

[China white]

thanx opyium I appreciate your understanding and your right ...i would take money,time,help, and AA which i just dont have.....and i should be more prepared to hear the downs and ups.....uncle sam just thinks he's knows everything....growing a plant out of the ground is illigal. i just get so frusterated ............a $30 shot in minnesota costs nickels and dimes to produce and should retail for maybe 2 fucking dollars if that. If drugs all drugs were legalized and regulated things in this country ould run so much smoother. You could let go half of any law enforcement instantaniously....and close down half the prisons....get rid of po's fed and state prosecuters....what a scam man what a scam........even a conservative like me can see that...this country is goin straight to hell

[Dirt McGirt]

If drugs all drugs were legalized and regulated things in this country ould run so much smoother.

Right. Just ask some of our CP patients how they like the current state of prescription drug regulations.:rolleyes:

[StackBundles]

^^^I'm pretty sure he meant "sanely" regulated.

[OverDriven]

Overdiven....it sounds like you are a Phd in chemistry student psychology since you know what....what was it 99.9% of them are going to say and do. Someone that wants to experiment with alkaloid extraction obviously must be going nowhere as well..I'll be sure to remember that. Since you can determine that I'm "some junky" by reading a couple of posts

Actually, I can determine you're some junkie from your name (China White) and the fact that you're hanging out here. We are ALL junkies here. No one seeks out an opiate forum if they aren't heavily into opiates. I am, you are, we all are. I'm not saying it in a negative context...but the rest of the world does see it that way.


Sounds as if your an expert in the law as well since your so intimate with prison sentences and time. Sounds like maybe you've been there a few times.
The reason I query these things is because I'm sick of making some gang banger rich because the U.S. government drives the price up by 300% by prohibiting the drugs of their choice. Spending $25,000 a year on H sucks and there's a list of problems that go along with buying H off the street and even more problems with my location. Powder is 150 for a gram that weighs .8. That probably is around 15-20% pure if that. The tar is of good quality but hey, lets face it....its tar. So im in between a rock and a hard place. And again im sick of making some dude rich just because I have no other choice. And Im not saying all dealers are gangsters either but here in minneapolis most of them seem to live that sort of life.
Your right, it isn't a very good idea, but at first glance, I don't think it seems that far fetched. Later in life when I have the means and opportunity I think I will explore this idea further. This tar is just so fucking dirty man its rare that we see good china/powder around here and you'll have to spend to 500 dollars buying different 20's to find it. If I lived in CHicago or New York things wouldnt be as bad for me. Im going to just have to cut back for a while.
Also...I don't meet a lot of people that I can relate to in this manner. And if I do there is really no way to know it. And most of the people I do meet that do opiates/opioid live very fucked up lives homeless/criminals/ outkasted by their families ...(which may or may not be their fault (see U.S. gov't above which is a whole other conversation) it took me a long time to get a handle on this way of life. So anyways I value this website and its members very much so and when you basically call me an idiot for exploring an idea it makes me feel very uncombfortable when maybe something else comes up that I'd like to know about. It may sound lame but it's true...I don;t have anywhere else to go with most of these issues. I don't mean to sound like a dick and i do appreciate you looking out for me instead of saying..."yeah..thats a great idea..check these classes out...i know a good professor who'd be perfect to ask"

Look man...you aren't thinking this through. What I'm saying is that asking someone to do this for you is INCREDIBLY risky. Most people don't think making drugs is OK. If you can't afford your dope habit, then stop or slow down. Having someone make it for you isn't going to be any cheaper, and as I said it carries a MUCH larger sentence.

[China white]

Thanx overdriven for being cool....Before i joined this site..I used to read the posts a lot(I would read other places too, bluelight and a couple others).....and every once in a while id see someone get mad or offended and basically I would see two people fighting back and forth on the computer! (how lame)....and I could see how this thread could have easily turned into that...but im glad both of us are mature enough to avoid that sort of thing .....Your last response could have been in a whole different light but it wasn't and I respect you for that. I think that people that basically engage in back and forth temper tantrums(over the internet no less) are pretty lame. I'm not saying having a little controversy is stupid because I think we all need a little controversy or else we all would agree on everything...but its the way we go about it that matters.

[OxyQueen]

If it was easy to make heroin......we'd ALL be doing it.

Isn't THAT the fuckin' truth!!!!

[duck]

beer is easy to make and not very many people make it....just sayin

[Woody Bear]

5g opium per square meter of poppies is about the highest yeild possible with a good season. But personally, scoring them to produce the opium is risky and unnecessary. You can harvest the pods and use them as tea, or else extract the alkaloids from the dried pods directly, without going through the legally risky and wasteful opium collection stage.

The main hold up in this is getting the acetic anhydride, you'd have to make that, and I've not found a good write up for that for as long as I've been looking. I found one that worked, but it required an incredible amount of equipment, and produced ketene which is an incredibly dangerous and cancer causing gas. I've read that the russian method from sulphur worked, but I've not read either the original paper or a successful post using that method.

But if you can extract the morphine, then it's easy to convert it to hydromophone, all you'd need is to reflux it in acidic solution with palladium catalyst. Palladium is used for lots of things, but pure palldium wedding rings are the easiest source for it.

Over all, the risk is probably too high, and it will take a load of chemistry studying. So although I grow my own poppies, I do it because I'm interested in them. But the amount of work I put it into it, is way more then it's worth to buy it on the street. I've will probably have over a weeks worth of work to grow my poppies this year, and I will probably end up with about a gram and a half of morphine. So it's not cost effective, but I love doing it anyways.

[Larkin]

I think the hydromorphone option sounds better IMO. I thought i read a thread where there was a convo about turning the morphine in tea to MAM aswell.

[Paregoric Kid]

just because something is easy to make doesn't mean that it isn't even easier/cheaper to just buy.
I think acetyl chloride isn't as watched as AA.