NEED TREATMENT ADVICE ASAP

[chemiKalz]

I am about to go to emergency room to get detoxed, im terrified, all the regular places are full or put you straight on subs wich would p/d me...i am terrified but i cant keep doing this,



i live in rochester,ny if anyone can help me find a good treatment faciility that would take me asap

[Poppylvr]

I am about to go to emergency room to get detoxed, im terrified, all the regular places are full or put you straight on subs wich would p/d me...i am terrified but i cant keep doing this,



i live in rochester,ny if anyone can help me find a good treatment faciility that would take me asap
chemiKlaz, why is this an emergency, sweetie? I have NEVER heard of an emergency room detoxing anyone. At the very most they MIGHT give you some IV fluid if you are dehydrated from too much vomiting and diarrhea, and possibly some clonidine.
Please tell us what's going on. What's the rush?

[chemiKalz]

I need to get off this shit NOW, I have no money but my parents are willing to put up the cash and insurance to get me detoxed and rehabed.

[Ickyuck]

Yes, my dear I agree with Poppies. Is the rush cause you ran outta stuff? I know you wanna detox, but the hospital... I dont know about that one. Please keep us updated!

[chemiKalz]

MY therapist and parents are pushing for it to be immediate, i have like 4 days of stuff left.

I am also only here for another month before i go back to finish my last 3 classes of college.

I want to just get on methadone personally. but what are the ramifications, ya know?

[abner]

just go to a treatment center nearby. they'll detox you. you can go the hospital route and i'd reccomend the psych ward if you're going down that road. it's like rehab except you don't do anything except for the thorazine shuffle all day. they're also a good place to hide from johnny law. i'd probably go to a long term treatment 30-90 days and then a halfway house, tho. is a few semesters in school too important to postpone? you're dealing w/the rest of your life. i know i for one don't wanna be eating gun off of larimer avenue for 20 bucks a job, ya know!

[Dolofinell]

Depending on how bad your habit is you could go the methadone route , its worked for me for 5yrs. Maybe start at a clinic Mon. ( the clinic I go to will have you come in do your intake and dose you the day you call, they want that $$$) bring your 150$ and your dosing in a couple hrs. You'll have to go prob. 6 days a week maybe 7 for you first 90 days. Then get takehomes from there if your clean. Then switch to a new close clinic to wherever your moving, and continue. You got to work to let it work for ya but if you Want to get clean and have a large habit, go for it. Like I said it has saved me. Best of luck chemiKalz, D.

[Poppylvr]

chemiKalz, what is your DOC and how much are you taking?
Have you looked in the phone book for drug & alcohol rehabs? It's very common in my Western city for people to have to wait 2-3 weeks to get a slot in rehab. It takes that long because there are so many of us who need/want treatment, and there are not enough treatment beds available.

Is there a Volunteers of America in your city? If there is, or nearby, call them and ask them what they know about treatment options in your area. In my city VOA runs the detox unit, and a day treatment program, and is hooked into all the treatment programs in town so they can give really good advice.

If you just need a short medical detox, a psychiatric hospital or unit can do that. You call around to the hospitals in your area asking "do you do medical opiate detox?" If you have someone who will pay (A HUGE BLESSING, BTW) you can usually get a hospital detox bed ASAP (I work in a free standing psych hospital as a nurse. We do medical detox at my hospital, this is how I know).
You are young. I would avoid methadone or subs if at all possible. They create a whole host of new problems for you. Opiate detox is miserable and uncomfortable, but it doesn't last forever (7 days if it's a short acting drug, and you'll usually be feeling well enough to go to school again).

[dieselbaby]

If it doesn't have to be local, give me a shout as soon as you can and I can definitely help you out.

[chemiKalz]

Sorry all quick update, goign on a quick date with ex gf LOL...anyway iv been calling everyplace one place wouldnt take me cuz my habit is to large for them to handle, others have no beds for a long time, i may go to sheen in buffallo tommorrow, but idk their procedure, since iv been on LARGE doses of pods for 2.5 years or so and recently heroin and oc i need to know they wont just give me clonodine and benzos ,but ween me off with shorter acting opies.

[SeVeN]

Call around to different clinics, aned find out when their first open apointment is. They should tell you how much money to bring etc.

You may still feel a bit under the weather from such a big habit, but the done will help out.

Here are a few p[laces to try. Keep in mind it may be a few days till they see you, so don't delay and go ahead and get on the list.

The Methadone Treatment Directory

Methadone Treatment / NY (http://www.methadonetreatment.net/NY.php?state=NY) / Rochester Methadone Clinics (http://www.methadonetreatment.net/NY/Rochester.php?state=NY&city=Rochester)


Main Quest Treatment Center Primary Care (http://www.methadonetreatment.net/view.php?uniqueID=7685&state=NY)
774 West Main Street
Rochester, NY 14611
Phone: (716) 464-8870
Strong Memorial Hospital MM/MMTP Clinic (http://www.methadonetreatment.net/view.php?uniqueID=7694&state=NY)
300 Crittenden Boulevard
Rochester, NY 14642
Phone: (585) 275-6732 Strong Recovery Methadone Maintenance Strong Behavioral Health (http://www.methadonetreatment.net/view.php?uniqueID=7695&state=NY)
300 Crittenden Boulevard
Rochester, NY 14642
Phone: (585) 275-5489

[JonnyMohawk]

i may go to sheen in buffalo tomorrow, but idk their procedure, since iv been on LARGE doses of pods for 2.5 years or so and recently heroin and oc i need to know they wont just give me clonodine and benzos ,but ween me off with shorter acting opies.

Then a hospital really isn't where you want to go, clonidine is the normal route for most hospitals in my experience, and usually not even a benzo.

Relax call around, I know your parents and therapist want you to get clean right now but perhaps you should consider tapering yourself, and doing it on YOUR schedule, not someone elses.

If you do choose to admit yourself be prepared, most places usually don't taper you, but make sure you have enough fluid, and other medications till you get through it.

[hydro chris]

man chem, i really dont know what to say,i just went throw a week of hell myself, but what ever happens bro, best of the best for you. heads up kid..wish ya mad luck.

[nick]

I have to ask,do YOU want to quit? If not,get on done.If you do want to quit tell your folks and your therapist to find you a detox facility.

[Dan Steely]

Good luck man and try not to panic. You can get out of the mess you have made with or without help. It's gonna suck but you can do it. Keep in mind that millions of others have done so. I'd suggest tapering as fast as you can. Switch to bupe and then taper that crap as fast as you can. Benzos help a lot but of course save their use for only the worst of it. You don't want that monkey.

Don't go to the er. That's not what it's for and they will treat you like a piece of shit.

Let us know how things work out for you.

[NV12]

my husband went through the ER, and after giving him minor relief, immediately sent him to behavioral health facility where the did a 5-7 day detox. maybe I'm wrong, but I would think an ER wouldn't turn you away if you went in in w/d's.

but that will stay in your records.. good luck to you..

p.s. I thought you were from GA or SC, or somewhere southeast..?

[Russellmeboy]

im in rehab right now buddy, the best place ive ever been in my life, its amazing. we have a ton of fun and get a ton of recovery in, ive been to a few places and never stayed clean...ive been here 4 months and i dont want to leave lol, its the best thing ive ever done for my life. Its called new beginings and its in beach lake pa. check out the website. its new beginings ministry.. google that shit. :) u can aim me or mail me or sompthin :) much love and good luck, this place is very inexpensive and they'll work out sompthing im sure, just get ur ass here hahah much love- russ

[chemiKalz]

Looking at conifer park in Ny, will probably be admitted wedsnesday.

I am so scared. I feel like shit, no one will ever trust me again blah blah blah, it was time though.

[chemiKalz]

please someone offer input, what to expect, etc, i could use some support i need to get off this shit its ruining my life but i also dont want to stop getting high, do i really need rehab or can i get a doc to give me valium and vicodin to taper me till where i can use subs with out p/d?

[jersey_emt]

please someone offer input, what to expect, etc, i could use some support i need to get off this shit its ruining my life but i also dont want to stop getting high, do i really need rehab or can i get a doc to give me valium and vicodin to taper me till where i can use subs with out p/d?

If you switch to hydrocodone you still can't just start taking buprenorphine without the chance of precipitated withdrawals. If you want to taper with hydrocodone then just taper with hydrocodone. Don't taper most of the way down with hydrocodone and then switch to buprenorphine, that would be like taking one step forward and two steps back.

If you are starting buprenorphine you need to abstain for at least 24 hours from any short-acting opioid. You need to be in the beginning stages of withdrawal to start buprenorphine.

[at&t]

Nick has great advice as always....

If you don't want to quit..... well... I personally don't think that Done is really NECESSARILY *all* that bad an idea...

I mean... picture this. You have enough done to feel More or Less sort of "Well"/Normal every day. You are stable. You can choose to use more junk/etc on top of it if you want, but you *Will Not Have To*....

And that last part (can use, but "will not *Have to* use")-- Even IF you go into it with no intentions of getting 'clean'/etc, EVEN IF you're just playing the game to get your medication and go home, I would say that is a big step toward... 1. stability, 2. seeing what you REALLY want to do, and 3. potentially getting off the stuff for good.

Some people will say "Thats not what methadone is for!" and they're probably sort of right...
Others will take issue with the above listed "#3," and point out that being on done is a good way to ensure that you Never Ever get off the stuff for good. and They are probably even more sort of right than the first folks...

BUT... I don't know... its worth considering... if you do go ahead and join the ranks of folks on this site going to the clinic every day-- (and it looks like we have a whole bunch more (and increasing every day) Methadone 'users'/patients than we have so-termed Illicit Drug users on this board here...) IF you go ahead and do it... you can
1. Save money... save up and buy a whole bunch of junk, you know.... or a new car, or... a house or... etc.
2. you can avoid having a Huge potentially painful interruption to your life, being (all but) incarcerated in a program that you don't know anything about-- And about which, the fact that they are *VERY unlkely* to give you any "comfort meds" beyond clonidine/loperamide is really going to be the VERY LEAST of your problems....

Anyway.. just a thought.......... take care man...... and BEST OF LUCK whatever you do!! at&t

EDIT: ps. this also goes for that other guy on the other thread that was asking about "treatment options...." It isn't a perfect option, but.... <shrugs> dunno... Might not have expressed myself very well-- I should have just written: "I agree with Nick." cheers all..

[chemiKalz]

Just got back from detox, 7 days they started me at 25mg methadone and klonopin at night and morning, then they dropped me down 5mg every day, the 2 days with out any methadone they gave me ativan every 4 hours and clonidine when needed...I still feel iffy but I think I may have this physical addiction part beat.

Time for intensive outpatient rehab...lol

[edhorfin]

Just got back from detox, 7 days they started me at 25mg methadone and klonopin at night and morning, then they dropped me down 5mg every day, the 2 days with out any methadone they gave me ativan every 4 hours and clonidine when needed...I still feel iffy but I think I may have this physical addiction part beat.

Time for intensive outpatient rehab...lol

Congrats on detoxing. In my personal experience, once I got physically addicted,(and it took me long time to do that), I could never go back to recreational use of opiates again. What once was grey, became black and white...I was either completely clean, or on my way to physical dependency. Which happened almost immediately.

As a chipper, I could wake up after a day or night of use, and not feel the need to use again right away, no matter how "hung over" I was. Once I got strung and detoxed, that choice went bye bye....I wake up looking for a fix or whatever ROA you choose.

Just me, hopefully not you.

[Dirt McGirt]

Congrats on the clean time and good luck going forward. Whatever happens, we'll be rooting for you.

[taj]

Congrats on the clean time and good luck going forward. Whatever happens, we'll be rooting for you.


+100
good luck with the journey ahead, glad you were able to get in somewhere and things seem to be going fairly smoothly so far, but as I'm sure we all know, it can be a pretty bumpy path ahead of you.

hang in there and you have my support however things turn out.. you can do it!! :p

[Deadfiend]

I don't mean this in a mean way,but why don't you just man up and kick cold turkey? I mean each one of us got into the boat by ourselves,and sometime we just have to jump into the water all alone, if you get what I saying...Anyways good luck...

[chemiKalz]

This is my third day with out any opiates in my system and I don't think I've slept, its starting to bug the fuck out of me because I feel real loopy. I've come this far though, maybe in a few more days ill feel better

[tina]

it will get better......good luck my friend

[chemiKalz]

It feels like its getting worse so iv been taking benzos and drinkin a bit and smoking anything but opiates to make me feel better, i think they detoxed me to fast. and PAWS, im lookin at a year of those i think ahhhhhhhhhh

[lib.sOCialist]

yo Kalz, i can honestly tell you from experience bro-seph, it only get's better. and you gotta get bad to get better, just hold tough man, be strong.

[dieselbaby]

yo Kalz, i can honestly tell you from experience bro-seph, it only get's better. and you gotta get bad to get better, just hold tough man, be strong.

It gets so much better....DON'T GIVE UP NOW! You definitely won't have PAWS for a year. Not to sound like a dick or a braggart or anything, but I doubt your habit was as massive as mine was and I feel completely fine and have for a while. Not going to lie, it took me about a month or so until I was able to sleep normally again (read: not waking up every few hours and sleeping for more than 4-5 hours a night) but I am so grateful now every day that I don't wake up dope sick. Hit me up if you ever need any advice or someone to talk to, I'd be more than happy to help you get through this. The important thing to remember is that you WILL get through this if you don't want to be doing this shit anymore.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I need to get off this shit NOW, I have no money but my parents are willing to put up the cash and insurance to get me detoxed and rehabed.
I have used the the E.R. to detox before, but the only way they'll take ya is if ya say yourgonna kill yourself(wich sucks, but they have totake ya seriously & most knowyour justsaying it toge into treatment) But ya gotta know wich one will actually give ya something that'll really help, like bup. along w/ clonidene's, flexiril, etc. & librium if ya tell 'em ya have drinking problem! Because once ya say you mightgo kill yourself they hold ya 72 hrs. (mandatory) 'till they deem ya safe. So know wich hospital does what! Me personally was kicking a mean benzo. habit the first time I did the E.R. route and they gave me bupe. shots (since I was on a methadone program, wich helped but notas well as the meth. ) & librium for the benzos. The Doc. bullshittted me 'bout not having methadone in the hospital ( one nurse even told me so) but had to endure this 'till a bed opened up in a state hospital wich when I got there they gave me my full methadone dose & used klonopinsto slowly ween me off the benzo's., wichwas not to bad! A few months later i caught anotherbenzo habit ( a baby one @ that) wich I did the same thing @ a differnt hospital wich kept me for 10 days & gave me my methadone (in 10mg. pill form wich was 13 a day & seems wacky taken all them, I'm sure the nurses thought I was nots) but they gave me ativan & clonidine to ween me off da benzo's. I had 2 and a half yrs. benzo free from then on 'till 4 or 5 months ago & got caught up yet again in this benzo. merry go 'round! Anyways just know your hospitals & what they provide for detoxing!!!! Good luck & God bless!!!!!:)

[Groggy]

good luck man. you sound like you want it. they sent me to one (court ordered) I was able to return to jail after 18 days of mind fuckry. definitely prefer jail to rehab. judges don't much care for the kicked out of rehab stigma. Fuck it, though this about you. Yeah in about a month you'll probably get more than 4-5 hours sleep a night. as I said good luck.

[Suboxstitute]

It feels like its getting worse so iv been taking benzos and drinkin a bit and smoking anything but opiates to make me feel better, i think they detoxed me to fast. and PAWS, im lookin at a year of those i think ahhhhhhhhhh

No, no don't think that you have a year of post-acute with drawl syndrome ahead of you (PAWS) everyone is different, and you'd be amazed at how much your determination, ability to focus on your future, EXERCISE, will DECREASE the amount of time you have "PAWS".

Try not to start with this attitude, although it is 100% understandable, especially if you were not 100% sure you really want to quit. I get the sense that you did this in response to your parents being willing to do ANYTHING to get "their son back". I can relate. Also, try not to do what I did and develop a secondary dependence/addiction to benzos.

My shrink (not sub doc/benzos are strictly prohibited in the sub program I am in) prescribed them to help me taper down the subs, and he gave me a healthy amount (5mgs a day) but I found over time I wanted, and I felt NEEDED to take more. So now there's a little monkey on my fact from that, and there isn't a lot to do for BENZO addiction/ it's shitty all the way around. What benzo are you on?

I started on rehab for the wrong reasons, but it ended up being a good thing: with one exception. I'm trying to taper down and off on subs, - - - the docs started me way on way too high a dose and KEPT me at a dose higher than I needed, until I took matters into my own hands mainly after reading this board. At least they didn't do THAT to you in the detox. Hopefully kicking wasn'tall too horrendous.

Stay as busy as you can, focus on your LONG future and goals ahead of you, and just take one day at a time.

I scoffed at the idea of outpatient intensive rehab, but truth be told it did me a helluva lot of good, since I learned some things about myself. I took the good stuff, left the rest, met some super people. No I am in a sub group/people just like me/various stages. Much more helpful to me thn NA or AA. We get together in between/outside of our faciliated "sub group" and come up with subversive ideas. Makes us feel powerful! And there is tremendous support from old-timers and first-timers. . ..... No one is encourahing anyone to go back where they were before the program.

I just want to give you some hope. You seem like a fundamentally smart guy... prob wouldn't have been detoxed and now facing rehab without the support (& push) from your parents. Give it a solid try before you give up.

Wish I had better words of wisdom, this is no doubt a SHITTY time for you - but it can and has been done. You still have to figure out if YOU really want OFF DRUGS (and I have my doubts.)

But, if you do - then take advantage of what is being offered (as far as outpatient rehab and support) and you might be surprised. I hate to see you waste years and years of your life chasing the high which gets harder to achieve.

Love and all my best to you

Sue

[ryan5892]

i just recently did a 3 month taper with subs and honestly, i don't know how you feel about them, but a certain twelve step program is doing a great deal of positive things for my life. Again, i don't know how you feel about 12 step programs.

[lib.sOCialist]

It gets so much better....DON'T GIVE UP NOW! You definitely won't have PAWS for a year. Not to sound like a dick or a braggart or anything, but I doubt your habit was as massive as mine was and I feel completely fine and have for a while. Not going to lie, it took me about a month or so until I was able to sleep normally again (read: not waking up every few hours and sleeping for more than 4-5 hours a night) but I am so grateful now every day that I don't wake up dope sick. Hit me up if you ever need any advice or someone to talk to, I'd be more than happy to help you get through this. The important thing to remember is that you WILL get through this if you don't want to be doing this shit anymore.

you give me hope dbaby

[chemiKalz]

Hey guys, I have like 2 weeks "clean" now meaning I have not had an opiate, but I have been drinking and smoking pot and taking benzos and ibuprofen, I still can not sleep. I'm hoping the kratom I ordered to the apt I was just evicted from for drug use after i came clean with the land lady will be in my hands shortly. I have not read all of your replies yet, because I have been busy with my gf or getting drunk(just feeling to lousy and anxious to use a computer besides to listen to music really), temporarily moving into my parents house till I head back to Georgia for my last 3 college courses.


Thanks for everyone's input. And Nick I do want to quit, or I'd be on subs already. They detoxed me in 7 days...lol. I feel pretty decent on benzos and the right kind of reefer right now though. I will probably only be looking in the recovery part of the forum from here on out, so you can find me in there or pm me if anyone wants to talk.

[Uncle Wiggly]

Hey Chem, Congratulations on your progress. It feels good to be able to make it through the day without carrying the old monkey around. I need to say something and if I'm out of line just tell me to fuck off. Please be careful that you don't start substituting booze and benzos for narcotics. It may seem like it's helping now but all it really does is prolong the process. Plus benzos are even rougher to come off than opiates.

Please don't think I'm trying to 12-step you. That's the last thing I would try to do. But - if you really want to get clean then you've got to go for it. On the other hand if that's not what you want that's cool too.

I'm not trying to be a dick. This is just my .02 and you can take it or leave it. I truly wish you the best of luck no matter what you choose to do.

[I-Nod]

Hey guys, I have like 2 weeks "clean" now meaning I have not had an opiate, but I have been drinking and smoking pot and taking benzos and ibuprofen, I still can not sleep.

Great job, chemiKalz!! Proud of ya, man.

I'm doing the alcohol/ weed thing too... got 5 weeks "clean-time" in, and the alcohol breaks up the monotony just fine (and allows you to pass-out/ sleep for 5 or 6hrs). Things look better day by day tho. Wish you well, cK... stay strong!!

[nick]

listen man,be very careful with the drink or you'll have an out of the frying pan into the fire scenario.

Apart from that ,much luck because it's a lonely road.

[The_Highwayman]

As far as 12 step groups go, I have been to a few NA meetings and they just weren't for me, if anything they made me think the fight for sobritey was futile, as alot of the time there weres tories of relapse, relapse, relapse, and that was coupled with the constant fist-fighting and back-stabbing, gossip and the such...but that was my experience. I had a friend that was snorting, drinking and injecting everything under the sun, and he went to rehab and then did the 12 step meeting and has over 3 years clean and sober and he is very very active in theri community, it really worked wonders for him...

[chemiKalz]

I just have to make it till my gf gets here, taking some benzos and smoking pot.

i've jumped on kratom for now wont be here till tuesday though. my shitty week to week temp apt doesnt have internet. iv been eating darvocet since i figured they are not a real opiate but then i read they are terrible and i should flush em idk, just make it till tuesday*kratom day. ahhhh,, shit would be so much easier if my gf was here..ill show you guys a pic of her some day when i feel less paranoid about what goes up here.

I figure if i do become dependent on kratom tis better then being addicted to 400 chemicals in pod tea,/heroin/oc...or am i rationalizing, its better then methadone or subuxtex for me at this time because im pretty sure kratom is pretty painless to kick.

[chemiKalz]

No, no don't think that you have a year of post-acute with drawl syndrome ahead of you (PAWS) everyone is different, and you'd be amazed at how much your determination, ability to focus on your future, EXERCISE, will DECREASE the amount of time you have "PAWS".

Try not to start with this attitude, although it is 100% understandable, especially if you were not 100% sure you really want to quit. I get the sense that you did this in response to your parents being willing to do ANYTHING to get "their son back". I can relate. Also, try not to do what I did and develop a secondary dependence/addiction to benzos.

My shrink (not sub doc/benzos are strictly prohibited in the sub program I am in) prescribed them to help me taper down the subs, and he gave me a healthy amount (5mgs a day) but I found over time I wanted, and I felt NEEDED to take more. So now there's a little monkey on my fact from that, and there isn't a lot to do for BENZO addiction/ it's shitty all the way around. What benzo are you on?

I started on rehab for the wrong reasons, but it ended up being a good thing: with one exception. I'm trying to taper down and off on subs, - - - the docs started me way on way too high a dose and KEPT me at a dose higher than I needed, until I took matters into my own hands mainly after reading this board. At least they didn't do THAT to you in the detox. Hopefully kicking wasn'tall too horrendous.

Stay as busy as you can, focus on your LONG future and goals ahead of you, and just take one day at a time.

I scoffed at the idea of outpatient intensive rehab, but truth be told it did me a helluva lot of good, since I learned some things about myself. I took the good stuff, left the rest, met some super people. No I am in a sub group/people just like me/various stages. Much more helpful to me thn NA or AA. We get together in between/outside of our faciliated "sub group" and come up with subversive ideas. Makes us feel powerful! And there is tremendous support from old-timers and first-timers. . ..... No one is encourahing anyone to go back where they were before the program.

I just want to give you some hope. You seem like a fundamentally smart guy... prob wouldn't have been detoxed and now facing rehab without the support (& push) from your parents. Give it a solid try before you give up.

Wish I had better words of wisdom, this is no doubt a SHITTY time for you - but it can and has been done. You still have to figure out if YOU really want OFF DRUGS (and I have my doubts.)

But, if you do - then take advantage of what is being offered (as far as outpatient rehab and support) and you might be surprised. I hate to see you waste years and years of your life chasing the high which gets harder to achieve.

Love and all my best to you

Sue


sorry at coffee shop benzod now, i want off opiates, and any thing i have to have every day
physical shit opiates benzos

i went over board, idk what i want i know i cant handle being hooked on pods anymore or everyday opiates or benzos

suboxone is a trick, u still have to come off that, and arent their sexual side effects? i love fucking my gf, we have fun

quitting subs will be just like quitting pods/methadone

[OpiateQueen]

Chemikalz - i have never heard of a DETOX being longer than 7 days...in fact alot of them are only 5 days - and all the ones I've ever been too give you NO meds (except for one that gave you smal amts sub tapering over 5 days..but i don't think thay do that anymore..) So yeah i don't think they detoxed you too quickly or anything, it is just bloody hard, however you do it.
So WELL DONE! Even if you're taking other shit - its still a good effort not to be taking any opiates - if thats what your DOC was..

[duck]

you give me hope dbaby

+1

[antifox]

I have done five suboxone tapers/ detox. Only once to quit opiates, which was heroin at the time, and the ohter four times was to drop my tolerance and maintain moderate pain control.


Please understand that withdrawals are seriously the easiest part of withdrawals.

The two week mark- eight week mark when dropping suboxone is the hardest. The random withdrawals and sleep issues drive people fucking crazy. The cravings are intense, and that's about 1/3 of what it feels like to quit heroin or oxycontin except those two the withdrawals seem to go away faster with the days to be around ten days-5/6 weeks, but the cravings are soooooo much more intense.

DO NOT PAY BIG MONEY FOR DETOX. Go to a doctor and get some goods meds. Clonidine is the best IMO, trazadone is great, so is ambien CR, benzos are useful but they are the devil so you have to use them for a certain amount of time and then STOP because those are worse than opiates, immodium, and a couple other things your doctor might want to try. Get these, take them as directed. get over your withdrawals and feel back to 80% around that two week mark.

Then you go from two week - five-six-eight week depending on DOC and/or if you used suboxone. This part is the toughest because you have horrible sleep, HORRIBLE cravings, random withdrawal, boredom beyond belief, intense depression or mild, feelings of shame, guilt, and crazy thoughts. This is the hardest because you feel like you are making NO progress at all. The sleep can't be fixed, the cravings seem to get worse, the boredom consumes you, and the selfless feelings are overwhelming.

The only way to cure this, so I have found, is talking. Some people would say NA, I am not going to because we don't dicuss that here, but the BEST medication at this point to control everything except the physical stuff (sleep, sweats, RLS, cramps etc) is talking to people hwo are going throw it as well. This controls the worse part: cravings + guilt/shame feelings. I can't stress how important it is to find a group like this, it's easier than you think. They help you deal with everything because you talk and also find stuff to do that involves not getting loaded which gives life some meaning, fun, excitement, and helps deal with the boredom and feelings of being in limbo.


I haven't read what others have said, but I have done this A LOT. I've done the $10,000 three month rehab of 6 days a week @ three-five and a half hours a day. I've done it all. Please take everything I say seriously as uncomfortable or awkward as it might feel; it feels so good when you finally get it done. Nothing makes you feel better about yourself/decision to quit when you tell your story to a crouple of people. Then they clap and clap and clap and then after come up and talk to you about it and how it touches them, and then they invite you to do volunteer work, or barbeques, or movies or other awesome shit.

Excercise also really helps because it helps you rebuild as well as release endorphins. So not only do you feel extra good similar to an opiate buzz, but it helps you get over withdrawals significantly faster, but also makes it a little worse when you aren't doing anything. It makes everything more intense, but speeds up the process, and also gives you a little buzz that's quite satisfying while you are doing it and after.

PM me. I can talk to my old drug counselor because I talk to her once a month, and if you give me the city/county you live in then I can help you find some really awesome resources free, cheap, out of pocket, NA and non NA meetings/programs, and doctors that script good shit for detox.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I have done five suboxone tapers/ detox. Only once to quit opiates, which was heroin at the time, and the ohter four times was to drop my tolerance and maintain moderate pain control.


Please understand that withdrawals are seriously the easiest part of withdrawals.

The two week mark- eight week mark when dropping suboxone is the hardest. The random withdrawals and sleep issues drive people fucking crazy. The cravings are intense, and that's about 1/3 of what it feels like to quit heroin or oxycontin except those two the withdrawals seem to go away faster with the days to be around ten days-5/6 weeks, but the cravings are soooooo much more intense.

DO NOT PAY BIG MONEY FOR DETOX. Go to a doctor and get some goods meds. Clonidine is the best IMO, trazadone is great, so is ambien CR, benzos are useful but they are the devil so you have to use them for a certain amount of time and then STOP because those are worse than opiates, immodium, and a couple other things your doctor might want to try. Get these, take them as directed. get over your withdrawals and feel back to 80% around that two week mark.

Then you go from two week - five-six-eight week depending on DOC and/or if you used suboxone. This part is the toughest because you have horrible sleep, HORRIBLE cravings, random withdrawal, boredom beyond belief, intense depression or mild, feelings of shame, guilt, and crazy thoughts. This is the hardest because you feel like you are making NO progress at all. The sleep can't be fixed, the cravings seem to get worse, the boredom consumes you, and the selfless feelings are overwhelming.

The only way to cure this, so I have found, is talking. Some people would say NA, I am not going to because we don't dicuss that here, but the BEST medication at this point to control everything except the physical stuff (sleep, sweats, RLS, cramps etc) is talking to people hwo are going throw it as well. This controls the worse part: cravings + guilt/shame feelings. I can't stress how important it is to find a group like this, it's easier than you think. They help you deal with everything because you talk and also find stuff to do that involves not getting loaded which gives life some meaning, fun, excitement, and helps deal with the boredom and feelings of being in limbo.


I haven't read what others have said, but I have done this A LOT. I've done the $10,000 three month rehab of 6 days a week @ three-five and a half hours a day. I've done it all. Please take everything I say seriously as uncomfortable or awkward as it might feel; it feels so good when you finally get it done. Nothing makes you feel better about yourself/decision to quit when you tell your story to a crouple of people. Then they clap and clap and clap and then after come up and talk to you about it and how it touches them, and then they invite you to do volunteer work, or barbeques, or movies or other awesome shit.

Excercise also really helps because it helps you rebuild as well as release endorphins. So not only do you feel extra good similar to an opiate buzz, but it helps you get over withdrawals significantly faster, but also makes it a little worse when you aren't doing anything. It makes everything more intense, but speeds up the process, and also gives you a little buzz that's quite satisfying while you are doing it and after.

PM me. I can talk to my old drug counselor because I talk to her once a month, and if you give me the city/county you live in then I can help you find some really awesome resources free, cheap, out of pocket, NA and non NA meetings/programs, and doctors that script good shit for detox.
Antifox, I just want to say "YOU ROCK!". Your kind words and strong will to help speak volumes of your sobriety and progress, as well as yourself. You give me and the rest of us fighting that monkey hope. I've been tapering(if you call it that) for 3 freakin years.. But I try an stay positive because 3 years ago I was taking 200mg a day of Norco, 60mg Roxi and about 4mg Xanax a day. Fast forward to today and I'm only taking 90-100mg a day of Norco with no benzo's or roxis. Maybe another 3 years will knock it down to 0.....sheeesshh you'd think after getting this low I'd just fuckin quit but can't seem to. Your post gives me hope, thanks for the encouraging words. Chemicalz, I hope you are doing alright bro, we are ALL pulling for ya!

[chemiKalz]

quick update,

living in a week to week shithole with out internet till my gf gets here, i still cant sleep, have depression, shakes, anxiety...i drink like a fish now, fancy that I hated booze when i was getting stoned on opiates.

Kratom comes tommorrow in mail, hopefully some hooker from the apt complex im in doesnt steal it(no offence to shelley)

People I've seen down here in georgia think I'm crazy, I can never remember where I lived for a few days and such because i was taking to much xanax, so now no one wants to hang out with me, can't hang out with my junkie pals, they try to take me down with them.

When the fuck is this going to get better? I guess I'm on the kratom train for now which is a large step in the right direction but it doesnt cure all my symptoms, namely sleep. Should I go to NA and get a sponsor so I have someone to meet up with at least and talk to if I get a case of the "fuck it alls"? I'm lonley, most of my good friends have graduated or I have pushed them away when I spent a few years holed up getting high in my apt and not caring about anyone. I try to get out to walk around everyday, I have to take my poor dog out anyhow, but I live in the ghetto and it doesn't make my anxiety any easier(white boy) haha...I am officially a crazy person, the lack of sleep has done me in I believe, havent had a good nights sleep in over a month, even with xaanx and booze.

[Suboxstitute]

When the fuck is this going to get better? I guess I'm on the kratom train for now which is a large step in the right direction but it doesnt cure all my symptoms, namely sleep. Should I go to NA and get a sponsor so I have someone to meet up with at least and talk to if I get a case of the "fuck it alls"? I'm lonley, most of my good friends have graduated or I have pushed them away when I spent a few years holed up getting high in my apt and not caring about anyone. I try to get out to walk around everyday, I have to take my poor dog out anyhow, but I live in the ghetto and it doesn't make my anxiety any easier(white boy) haha...I am officially a crazy person, the lack of sleep has done me in I believe, havent had a good nights sleep in over a month, even with xaanx and booze


When is it going to get better. it will, it will, just seems like forever. I am not a big fan of NA or AA, but in your case, when you need to be around other people to talk to RIGHT NOW, it might be a good idea, to keep you clean and most of all, sane. Not all groups are good, some suck, some don't. I thought you said you did not have a computer, but you've been on line, so if you (or your GF) could google NA along with your city or state you should be able to find some meetings.

AA, NA - doesn't matter. All the same idea. Do not worry about a sponsor right now, that's a longer term thing once you get to know people. A bad sponsor is much worse than no sponsor, but you might get some phone numbers of people you can call (not for drugs!) but to talk you through your feelings.

In this particular case, it would be worth a try, vs. sitting in your apartment going slowly crazy.

IT WILL GET BETTER.

Keep repeating that, try to get some exercise if even a short walk it will help. Exercise creates and releases endorphins. You need endorphins right now.

So even if it seems IMPOSSIBLE even to take a walk, then do some exercises in your apartment (if it isn't safe to take a walk outside, around the block.)

I find that when I am in withdrawal (either opiates - back in the day or benzos - uh, more currently) doing something PHYSICAL ......even re-organizing a drawer..... HELPS. I think you're in a temporary place, am I right? If you're in your own place, try to do SOMETHING - organize your sock drawers. For that time, you'll feel a little better. And you'll have that satisfaction of an organized sock drawer.

Clean, organize - whatever makes sense to you. Force yourself to do it. You're strong: BE STRONG.

Thinking of you and sending good thoughts that this, too shall pass....

Sue