Anyone switched from hydromorphone to krat

[vaxn8]

I'm currently using dilaudid (i.v) or fentanyl (p.o) and am thinking of trying krat for the weekend, since I am out of my regular stuff. I have read most of the topics and am trying to get an idea of a starting dose. Most of my tolerance is due to the hydromorphone, I usually take 8-40 mg, depending on what I have (several, approximately 6 times/day). I did do a complete withdrawal last month and just can't go through it again. Anyone have any thoughts?

[shaunclo]

Kratom might be good, But with a diluadid habit your gonna need a good amount. Maybe you could get some pods, you will get better results with them than with the Kratom. If you use the Kratom I would use some tincture, try out www.Phytoextractum (http://www.Phytoextractum.com).com they have a good Kratom tincture for a good price.

[vaxn8]

I have thought of those, the only problem is I have no idea where to get them. I have read enough about what to do with pods, but just don't know where to even find them. I have been decreasing as much as i can over the last week, so hopefully it will work. All i know is i am not going to live though another w/d!

[shaunclo]

All i know is i am not going to live though another w/d!

If I had an opiate for every time I said that......

[vaxn8]

If I had an opiate for every time I said that......

Yes, I know, I am just at the point where it has been too many times and I can't do it again!

[HistoryofMadness]

Based on my extensive experience with dilaudid (and the withdrawal from) you will be able to use kratom to minimize the effects and overall shittiness of WD, but you will still feel it.

I would recommend tea made of kratom, poppy seeds, and danshen, and maybe some chamomille. If you can, pop several grams of omega-3 fish oil for at least 2-3 weeks (for post-acute mood shit).

Kratom and poppy seeds will help with acute WD symptoms. Danshen will keep your heart rate down, and help with anxiety. Chamomille is just relaxing, and may have other helpful properties (use search function).

The danshen and kratom can be found at phytoextractum (danshen is salvia miltiorrhiza (http://www.phytoextractum.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=22)). Go to local grocery / herb store for the rest. Buy poppy seeds in bulk if possible (i.e. not in spice section).

I feel for you man (edit... sorry, you are not a man, my fault :), that shit was my devil too.

-H

[shaunclo]

I have thought of those, the only problem is I have no idea where to get them.

There is a ton of places to find them, try google, or ebay......woops......you didnt hear that from me.

[HistoryofMadness]

I have thought of those, the only problem is I have no idea where to get them. I have read enough about what to do with pods, but just don't know where to even find them. I have been decreasing as much as i can over the last week, so hopefully it will work. All i know is i am not going to live though another w/d!

Pods will just keep feeing the gorilla... we all know you will eventually have to pay the piper. Why not use some stuff to kick or lower that tolerance to a manageable point? Or just to have some stuff around for maintenance when those dreaded days of famine come.

[vaxn8]

Thanks both of you. I really only have to make it until Monday afternoon. I really appreciate the info!

[vaxn8]

Shaunclo & Hx of Mad--

Just wanted to thank you guys for all of your help on Friday! I was able to order both items for Saturday delivery and had a much easier weekend than I thought I would! I've been reading about flower arranging for a few years and for some reason thought it was a lot more difficult to get a reliable supply. Anway, thanks guys I really am eternally grateful!


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[devilsdrug]

all right guys another satified new member