is there any thing i can do with DHCs

[kiwistoner]

can anyone tell SWIM if SWIM can do anything with the sixty 60mg DHCs that SWIM gets every month as SWIM is getting sick of swallowing ten of them at a time just to keep away the W/Ds from 4 yrs of poppy seed tea .......... theres gotta be a better way??????

[shaunclo]

can anyone tell SWIM if SWIM can do anything with the sixty 60mg DHCs that SWIM gets every month as SWIM is getting sick of swallowing ten of them at a time just to keep away the W/Ds from 4 yrs of poppy seed tea .......... theres gotta be a better way??????

Only thing I can suggest is to chew em, but codeine hits pretty fast anyways so I dont think it would make that big a difference.

It is codeiene your talking about.....right?

[kiwistoner]

hi it sure is codiene im talkin about but i aint gonna chew them..that would be the most awful taste in the galaxy.................damn it , this is one of those weeks that i hav to put up with the bad more than the good..:cool:

[devilsdrug]

cwe kiwi as in Cold Water Extraction

[malefiacrum]

have you tried Biotran? No need for any extraction with those....

[johnny27]

i presume you mean dihydrocodeine, by saying DHC. Its 2 times more potent than codeine, and the effects are niver, some ppl can even nod abit on DHC where not possible with normal codeine. Effects are half way between hydro and codeine

[johnny27]

also i don't think its available in the US, it used to be quite common here in the UK as we don't have hydrocodone. Also, i don't know if DHC can be IV'd like the same way you can't safely IV codeine, although it can def be IM,SC injected. Browing a CWE of DHC i reckon would produce good results

[ShaneFlipside]

As far as I know there is still one pharmaceutical that is dihydrocodeine - namely Synalgos-dc. Burroughs talks about otc dhc syrup back in the day called Eukodal (brand name) - I for one am curious how dhc compares to both plain codeine and to hydro and oxy codones (??) I've taken the latter three plenty of times , but no dhc yet.

[johnny27]

In my own experiemnts with DHC, the high seems to last alot longer than with codeine. Its also more euphoric and cozzy, as where codeine dose'nt feel like a real opiate compared to some decent opies like PT, morphine and so on, but with DHC you can catch a fairly good nod, get the warm feeling, and have alot better well-being feeling than codeine, myself and others i know could never get a nod of codeine no matter how intolerant, not even the basic opi feelings of the warm fuzzies and so on. A remarkable effect i've noticed with DHC is the high is more of a head high, very little body load, where as codeine will take its toll on the body in high doses, but the head high is very enjoyable and different, although one thing i don't like is that i don't get that lovely burning hot muscle tention in my legs, which usually tells me i getting high. DHC in medical terms is between in effects, codeine and hydrocodone.
1 codeine 2 DHC 3 Hydrocodone 4 Oxycodone It does have a real good advantage over codeine is that the euphoria is more pronounced, warm happiness like hydro. Hope this helps. Its an Okay mild opi, better than codeine but still not very strong or nothing to get excited about, poppy tea would win straight out anyday in effects. Although its nice to try it atleast once to see how you like it, i personnaly would only go to the bother of buying DHC and CWE if i was all out of Pods or meds and was in WD.

[Paregoric Kid]

DHC is dihydrocodeine. it's better than codeine but not quite the strength of hydrocodone. unlike codeine, you can take as much of it as needed (minus the max. dose rules for tylenol or whatever else it's mixed with). codeine is a prodrug, it needs to be metabolized before it works. dihydrocodeine is like hydrocodone or any other opioid drug, it doesn't need to be metabolized for it to work, already attaches to the opiate receptors. it does metabolize to dihydromorphine, which is good.
Eukodal was the german brand of oxycodone, not dihydrocodeine. oxycodone can also be referred to as dihydroxycodeinone

[ShaneFlipside]

Not sure if I was supposed to put this reply "into" my previous contribution to this thread - so excuse me if this is not the right format/syntax for the site - but as usual, the answers led to more questions. First of all I have to say I do know one opiophile who swears by codeine - plain tylenol w/ codeine. He is the kind've guy who ended up on Methadon maintenance, and then decided t6o kick that as well. So for the last 15 years or so his drugs of choice are codeine, valium, and good green bud. I myself have experienced nods while on codeine, but I was usuually combining it with soimething else (though once upon a very longtime ago swim had a 20 ml bottle of Codeine Phosphate hypodermic solution. Pretty sure it was tried mainline, and had some serious pins and needles). I know that during this one oilburning habit swim had, he couild feel codeines when taken on top of his daily multigram consumption, but not any liquidf M. It didn't produce its own "hign." Which brings me to the question I now have within this thread. I definiltely have a better idea about DHC - thanks for the expert opinions and help with the facts so to say. but I don't get the chemistry/biology of this distinction between "prodrugs" and those whicdh don't metaboolize. - This is true of Morphine itself too (??!!??) - right? Yet it is hard for me to look at any of the opioids as as desirable as the real deal that comes right in the plant of Morphine and Codeine

[lucas45862]

have you tried Biotran? No need for any extraction with those....

I got a email from the biotran people. They said you have to call there number now not email them with your request. I got there number but everytime i call them there phone line is not open. There on GMT time.:confused:

[kiwistoner]

well thank you all for trying to help me (god knows i really need help)
its soo bloody hard to not buy seeds ..even the ones that dont work properly
anyway ive had 750 grams of crappy seeds today and it didnt do shite
but i will tell youse one thing yesterday i had 14 paradex and 4 DHC (60 mg)
paradex contain...50 mg DEXTROPROPOXYPHENE and 325 mg PARACETAMOL
and i think i got a bit of a nod after smoking sum pot.....then i had 10 more paradex last nite and couldnt get to sleep till about 5 am...now thats weird
the point im trying to make is that ive got more off the paradex than i do off DHC
so can somone please explain that to me????
fukit i new it was gonna be hard gettin off these seeds
now that ive swallowed 10 more paradex today i feel a bit better but they r gonna run out soon and i hav to do the DHC thing again....i suppose they r better than nothing at all. well im gonna hav some cones now so i hav to finish cos i dont hav four hands

[chemboy7]

Being that DHC doesn't have to go through first pass metabolism like Codiene you could do a CWE and brown it... that's probably the way to get the most out of them.

[jollygreen]

Swim has had only one codeine experience and swim nodded. swim was in 10th grade about a year ago, swim took four tylenol 3's (30/300) and could barely keep his eyes open in class. It was the most euphoric high he's ever gotten off of the painkillers he's tried. (hydrocodone, oxycodone, propoxyphene <-- shit). The high lasted about 4-5 hours and it was beautiful. He said he would compare it to oxycodone at low doses, but he guess's 20mg of oxycodone is better than 120mg codeine, but at the time he had only taken 10mg tops. sorry for rambling but right now swims on ~50mg hydrocodone (CWE):rolleyes:. i guess this doesnt exactly belong here now that i read the title but ill post anyways:p

[Paregoric Kid]

a prodrug is an inactive drug that you take and what it is metabolzied into (a metabolite) is an active drug, which are what causes it's effects. a prodrug itself is not active (or is much less active) but metabolizes into a drug that is active. a drug like morphine for example, is still metabolized into other things but it is already an active drug.

[Hammilton]

Don't be downing codeine. I used to love that stuff. Probably still would if I had any. I don't know if my tolerance would make it pointless.

For me, codeine was basically the perfect drug. Seriously. Maybe it wasn't off the walls euphoric, but it has this romantic spark to it, and I don't mean the notion of codeine. Last time I had it,, I was staying with my aunt at her lake (yeah, she owns the whole thing, and it isn't a pond). I'd take 200mg or so, and wait to get warm and itchy, then I'd sit down with my fiance and watch the sun set, or I'd go upstairs and cuddle with her in the cool night air. It was wonderful. I don't have fonder memories of a drug. It made me so happy.

Wish i had some.

[Opiyum]

a prodrug is an inactive drug that you take and what it is metabolzied into (a metabolite) is an active drug, which are what causes it's effects. a prodrug itself is not active (or is much less active) but metabolizes into a drug that is active. a drug like morphine for example, is still metabolized into other things but it is already an active drug.

Is there a specific name for drugs like morphine that are both a prodrug and an inactive drug at the same time?