hydro ruined forever

[pegasys]

ever since swim tried (sniffed) h a few months ago he took a break from opiates. The 7 10/325 vicoden were taken. it totally sucked. Is it possible to still get high with hydro, am i dosing too low or is it just once swims brain gets used to oxy and morph nd dope hyfrp dst doo much

[OxiContinKing]

you will still be able to get high off of hydro's, it will just take more to get the effect that you are looking for...

and it might not be the exact same type of high that you get from the dope and the oxy's...

[I-Nod]

Think of tolerance as a paper cup with a pin-hole in the bottom... fills up so quickly, but takes so long to get back down. Had to put a lid on my cup (kicked last mth)..... blah.

[30_Units]

that's possibly the best description of drug tolerance I've ever heard. Kudos.

[limitless_euphoria]

I still swear you can permanently ruin your opiate receptors so that no matter how long you wait things like hydrocodone and codeine will never give you that buzz you once got. I guess if you quit opies for a year straight and then you took a couple of 7.5's maybe then you'd get a nice buzz.

I had a coworker that took a couple of vikes a few weeks back. He was opiate naive and he looked as though he'd just shot up a few bags worth of good dope. That's the kind of shit that makes me envious.

Not to hijack the thread, but maybe others of you who've responded might agree or disagree that there comes a certain point that your tolerance will permanently be beyond just a couple of vikes or a couple of percs? I'm pretty damn sure that's become the case with me. I'm also inclined to think sub doesn't help regarding tolerance.

And I-Nod, I think you're on to something with your analogy!

[OxiContinKing]

that's possibly the best description of drug tolerance I've ever heard. Kudos.

agreed.

Think of tolerance as a paper cup with a pin-hole in the bottom... fills up so quickly, but takes so long to get back down. Had to put a lid on my cup (kicked last mth)..... blah.

especially like the 'had to put a lid on my cup' part.

lol...

[30_Units]

I still swear you can permanently ruin your opiate receptors so that no matter how long you wait things like hydrocodone and codeine will never give you that buzz you once got. I guess if you quit opies for a year straight and then you took a couple of 7.5's maybe then you'd get a nice buzz.

I had a coworker that took a couple of vikes a few weeks back. He was opiate naive and he looked as though he'd just shot up a few bags worth of good dope. That's the kind of shit that makes me envious.

Not to hijack the thread, but maybe others of you who've responded might agree or disagree that there comes a certain point that your tolerance will permanently be beyond just a couple of vikes or a couple of percs? I'm pretty damn sure that's become the case with me. I'm also inclined to think sub doesn't help regarding tolerance.

And I-Nod, I think you're on to something with your analogy!



I'm definitely up in the air on this. On one hand, after being on high dose mmt for three and a half years, once I was tapering down, some vicodin es after an abscessed root under a crown got drained, felt really, really good. It truly wasn't like what I used to get from it in high school, but I would have thought after all that time on methadone, it shouldn't have been nearly as pleasant as it was, even at a low 15mg per dose, with 6 or so mg of done.


As far as subs, they've deffo fucked my tolerance-In the beginning of therapy, I skyrocketed up to 32mg just like with done, spent a month there before tapering back down to 2-4mg a day\every other day. I noticed when I grew my pods, it took what people on forums have called a big maintenance dose, but it did get me nodtastically fuckered and I loved the experience and would repeat it again if it weren't for dumb tolerance. That's not exactly something like hydro or just codeine, but it's not exactly heroin either.

[BlueMajick]

This is just my experience, and maybe things can get permanently screwed up, but for me time has always been the answer.

Last summer when i was clean for nearly 3 months, and then took 2 7.5mg hydro that i just happened to find, i was in heaven. Before the 3 months break it was about 240mg oxy a day.... pretty much 80mg to feel anything from it, so yes it's possible for myself at least.

edit: I should add that this experience with the 15mg of hydro was comparable to my first time using opiates recreationally, and lasted the whole day.

[Restharrow]

agreed.



especially like the 'had to put a lid on my cup' part.

lol...
The "had to put a lid on my cup" part hurt my eyes to read it.

[Duckfeet]

I agree, that once you get broken in on good heroin, or strong opiates like fentanyl or dilaudid...it's never the same again...Oh, you'll feel hydrocodone, if you've been off dope a while, get a nice "little" buzz...but then my receptors *immediately* get crazy, and it takes double, triple the amount, every time I fix, and this is also combined with a really short "honeymoon" period--like maybe 3 days--before I am all strung out again, and chasing serious dope...

Too bad, tho, vicodin and that shit, once used to get me a nice little buzz...but once you know serious opiate euphoria, the rest of this shit just doesn't quite cut it...and yet, it still gets me all addicted again...kind of a fucked situation, IMO

[Papa Verine]

A few Vicodin is never going to do for me what it once did, when I was 17 years old and would take 3 or 4 7.5's and feel absolutely wonderful for 6 hours... Never getting that back. I took off 4 years and the first "relapse" of anything was 7 5mg percocets and that wasn't even quite what I got off the few Vicodin those first times.

[Duckfeet]

Hell, I can remember when a beer and a couple of tylenol 3's was *good!* Party's over, I guess...it seems like it should be the opposite of this shit...like the longer you do this stuff, the less it take sto get off...who *designed* this crap?

[Dune]

IMHO after taking a long break you can get nearly as buzzed as the first time. It's just that you will return to, or exceed, your previous tolerance at an exponentially faster rate than the first time.

Just my .02


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[chopstix]

I agree that permanent changes are made, I get strung out VERY easily now, but if I abstain for awhile, 20-40mg hydro gives me a nice, euphoric lift.. Just have to be off the shit for awhile.. I've had two heroin runs one ran the most part of ten years and the second about 5, and I can get a nice buzz on small amts of hydro now..

I seem to be a little more sensitive to opiates than most, I feel small shots of sub and I've always been willing to do (because I feel it) cottons that most wouldn't bother with, but I can get well on tiny shots. I can also go from 0 to 2-3G/day within a week..

I think everyone is different, but if I take enough of a break, I can get off on codeine..

[jspilt]

IMHO after taking a long break you can get nearly as buzzed as the first time. It's just that you will return to, or exceed, your previous tolerance at an exponentially faster rate than the first time.

Just my .02


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[LorTabitha]

I tapered with subs a few months ago and after 2 weeks completely clean I was able to get that *feeling* with a few hydros. However, my tolerance skyrocketed very quickly. :( It was great while it lasted...

[oxy kid]

LorTabitha, did you wind up having to detox off the hydros after you went through that? How did that wind up?

Ahhhhhh, I remember the good ole days of SWIM picking up 5 perk 5's years and years ago....those 5 would last me all weekend then we'd do it again the next....we were all fine when it was just the weekend!

[LorTabitha]

LorTabitha, did you wind up having to detox off the hydros after you went through that? How did that wind up?

I am a CP patient so I get OCs & hydro scripted (along with a shitload of other crap). I supplement with poppy tea usually. :) That particular time I had absolutely NO money and a wonderful someone had given me a couple subs. I usually don't have to detox, thank god.

I am in too much pain when I don't have my meds. :( The combo of my particular problems makes it hard for me to stand, walk, sit for long periods, lie down for more than 30 minutes, etc... Even with regular tylenol and advil I can't hack it for very long. I have tried to live on just OTC meds + tramadol and it's just too painful. It's sad, because it keeps me as a slave to my meds, but it's just the way it is, I guess... :(

[oxy kid]

I am a CP patient so I get OCs & hydro scripted (along with a shitload of other crap). I supplement with poppy tea usually. :) That particular time I had absolutely NO money and a wonderful someone had given me a couple subs. I usually don't have to detox, thank god.

I am in too much pain when I don't have my meds. :( The combo of my particular problems makes it hard for me to stand, walk, sit for long periods, lie down for more than 30 minutes, etc... Even with regular tylenol and advil I can't hack it for very long. I have tried to live on just OTC meds + tramadol and it's just too painful. It's sad, because it keeps me as a slave to my meds, but it's just the way it is, I guess... :(


Ahhhhhhh I got ya....so you didn't end up having to detox from the hydros after that. I was thinking that you did and I was wondering was it worse or better than sub detox.

[BrokenPens]

I agree, that once you get broken in on good heroin, or strong opiates like fentanyl or dilaudid...it's never the same again...Oh, you'll feel hydrocodone, if you've been off dope a while, get a nice "little" buzz...but then my receptors *immediately* get crazy, and it takes double, triple the amount, every time I fix, and this is also combined with a really short "honeymoon" period--like maybe 3 days--before I am all strung out again, and chasing serious dope...

Too bad, tho, vicodin and that shit, once used to get me a nice little buzz...but once you know serious opiate euphoria, the rest of this shit just doesn't quite cut it...and yet, it still gets me all addicted again...kind of a fucked situation, IMO

Oh, yeah. I remember when I was younger, I could take a couple vics and I'd be gooood. Now that I've been on Dilaudid, Demerolm and Fentanyl IV in the hospital... then add the Fentanyl recreationally, heh... nothing's the same. People who are addicted to oxy have told me they won't mess with Fentanyl due to that reason... ah the good ol' days.