gotta kick..

[hydro chris]

well i need/have to detox.
im gonna come out this month a week short on my med as of now, which basically in the last year this hasnt happened.
my using is getting out of control and i cant keep up wit it. im losing weight ,not eating and not sleeping. my torrence is throw the roof. i have to stop wile im still ahead in the game.

ill start tomorrow 8/4/ ..ill do it c/t..wit just benzos.
im gonna take 2 sick, 2 vaca days and ill have the weekend, and hope by next monday im sorta good to go. well if not ..at least ill have my own shit still.
on top of my own meds, iv been getting oc 40's at a ridiculous price f-en.. ridiculous
well i havent detox for 4 year and that was off done (the longest kick iv ever had to deal wit). i was clean for almost 4years till i crashed my bike last september, it doesnt matter anyway.
i just appreciate it, if you guys hit me up wit some good vibes.
Thanks-Chris.

[nick]

I hope your pain passes quickly.Much luck with it.

[Shadowsblaze]

Sorry to hear you went overmuch on your meds, hard to catch up and street prices, forgetaboutit. You have to do something and I guess you know what your capable of. First time in four years, gird your loins and do battle bro, stay tuff.

[Morfiend]

have no expectations. Sometimes it's a lot easier than you think it will be.

[Larry]

Hey man - Sending Good Vibes Your Way... Im also thinking of detoxing in the next day or two so I was gonna see if you wanted to keep tabs on each other, might make things a little bit eaiser for the both of us either way good luck

What kind of dosage have you been taking?

[Papa Verine]

You can count me in too guys... I'm all out of resources. Not getting paid for a few more days. By that time I might as well just tough it out.

Fuck, this is gonna' suck!

[Dan Steely]

sorry guys. good luck.

[norseman]

Hope you all get an easy kick. Much luck.

[OxiContinKing]

good luck guys.

keep us posted on how the progress goes.

[Larry]

Thanks Everyone, Chris / Papa - Would you want to keep in touch over the next week to track progress?

I plan on detoxing because my habit is getting out of control, I do have some pills left, but tapering has never worked for me if anything it always backfired in my face, pretty much every time I have detoxed its been C/T, Just wish I had some benzos or Lyrica as they really come in handy.

[InfectedMushroom]

Good luck guys, try and get the usual suspects to help with making things a bit more comfortable. I hope for nothing but the most painless detox for you all.

[jpeg]

best of luck to you guys!
i was in the same spot last week. had to go 5 days. lots of herb and loperamide does do wonders though ^^

[OxyBlowBall2]

good luck guys. im def sending some positive vibes to all of you out there.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

We've all been there. Was there last week actually. Kratom helped me a ton. Sending all good things yalls way

[More Feen]

Think of all the good, positive things that come with getting that fucking ape off of your back!

Lots of folks here are cutting down (there's been a few post talk'n 'bout it any way). Summer is the best time to work through this.

Be thankful that you have some benzos to help take the edge off--be careful not to get habituated to the benzos man.

You've done it before, you can do it again. This one should be quicker than the last one.

Many of us wish we could consistently find our DOC at low, low prices, but there is a downside to this that you have illustrated. Easier access leads to heavier consumption, and..., the wee snowball starts a-roll'n down the hill, gaining velocity & mass as it does so.

Best to nip this reckless course early rather than later.

Best o' luck to you. Keep us informed about your progress and things you have done to help yourself through this rough patch--it WILL help others here.

M F

[samsong]

My brother also strongly suggests kratom--the first day or so on just kratom doesn't releive the anxiety for my brother but it makes the physical symptoms virtually non-existent. By day 3, he feels fucking great and last month he ended up having to use kratom only for about 10 days and he swears he could have easily kicked for good right then--this was from an opana IV and smoked fent habit. Good luck.

[I-Nod]

My brother also strongly suggests kratom--the first day or so on just kratom doesn't releive the anxiety for my brother but it makes the physical symptoms virtually non-existent. By day 3, he feels fucking great and last month he ended up having to use kratom only for about 10 days and he swears he could have easily kicked for good right then--this was from an opana IV and smoked fent habit. Good luck.

Absolutely. It helps a helluva lot. I still couldn't sleep more than a few hours, but it took a good bit of the restless legs away (pods and iv dillys).

The best of luck PapaV and Chris... wish you well, guys!

[hydro chris]

thanks guys much appreciated, for sure
this isnt gonna get good, ill tell you that, not that i expect it to. but whatever..

and papa/larry im down wit that, thats cool, dont know where to start wit this, i cant think or even see clearly a this point. hit me up guys if you gotta plan.
its only been a little over 12 hours..and im at the beginning. not sure what else to say.:confused::confused:
but..much luck to you guys that are in this.

[Poppylvr]

Hydro Chris and Papa Verine, you are both in my thoughts and prayers (yeah, I'm a geek - a Jewish Grandma geek who believes in prayer). May it go easily for both of you and may you reach the goals you want.
Keep us posted - misery shared is misery halved (and joy shared is joy doubled).

[JTDuffet]

good luck HC... it sucks, but if you make it through it and get off this shit, you won't regret it. the last time I was clean, I stayed clean for more than 5 years myself turned my life around and gave myself a real career. and seriously don't know why i started to begin with.. i thought that since i was making good money with my job (computer related field) and had a solid rock heroin connection, that i could somehow control my usage.. and never be sick, etc.. and things would be "great". well, now my veins are bad, i feel and look like shit, I owe 30K in debt, and have nothing to show for the $90,000 i already wasted on this shit.. I've added it up and I have shot over a pound of dope over the last 16 months or so.. and I have nothing to show for it..

slowly, it went from 1 bag/day to 1.5-2 bags.. fast forward a few more weeks, and it was 1 gram/day.. and fast forward to today. its 2-2.5 grams of rock heroin / day IV use.... and I still feel like i never get high.. a waste of my health, money and believe it or not, happiness.. i am always crabby now.. and my friend reminds me. i am only nice when i need him to hook me up again.. and he is right. i can't be happy about spending another 5000 on dope (every 3-4 weeks) when i don't have the money for it.. and will end up being even more in debt, etc.. its highly stressful.. and really sucks ass..

what I am trying to point out is that no matter what kind of user you are, how much money you have, whether you have easy access to dope, etc. you will NOT be happy.. i wasn't "happy" before the dope habit, but now I know this shit ain't making me happier either..

good luck HC, and make this happen. you won't regret it..

-jt

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

Good luck, bros!

We've all been there....and it's not pleasant but it will pass. :o

[OxyQueen]

HydroChris and PapaV....Much luck to you durin ur kick
Keeping a positive attitude as much as possible helps tremendously
Please keep us all updated...just take it a minute at a time if u must!!!

[Duckfeet]

This is the hard side of opiate use, and we all cope with it differently...I know when I'm in the middle of serious withdrawals, everything in my brain gets out of whack, and I can't remember why I put myself thru it, and people who tell me "it will get better," are full of shit...I hate life off of dope, know I'll always feel that way, etc., etc. but the truth is, if you can get through this:

It will get better...and Morfiend is right, you never know: not always that bad...

[hydro chris]

hey thanks guys
but im at a loss here, w/d, are wicked intense.. pretty much as though i cant get out of bed, even stand up striate.
the problem is, i have to watch and give attention to my 7 year old. so its not workin as planned. never though it was gonna get this bad.
so i had to take alittle something this morning to take the edge of - just 10 mgs of opena to hold me off for a couple hours or so.
i dont know how this well affect my plans but will see. i also have subs but i dont wanna get into that.
oh someone asked what my daily habbit was,80mgs opeana,70 mgs hydrocdone and around 100 of oxycodone.
so any more advice feel free..

[JTDuffet]

Hang in there and know that a lot of us are pulling for you...


-jt

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

Sheeeiiittt, my friends, Chris, Larry, and Papa, I am also in the same boat. I am in day 3 and have had basically no pharmaceuticals to help me out. I thought I might feel a little better today, and I am wrong. The last drug I used was morphine, and not a lot of it and before that I had been trying to use as light as possible mostly heroin and hydrocodone. This still is horrible, I was really really sick on Monday morning (I think I got some kind of bacterial infection because I was puking like crazy and had such a bad fever that I could not stop shivering and my muscles basically locked up and I stood under hot water in the shower for like a half hour and afterward thought I might actually die and contemplated calling 911, definatly not normal w/d seeing this was less than 12 hours after my last dose) and that just started the process with a horrible bang. So yea here I sit, day 3 and I feel like shit. I am thinking about goning to the drugstore today and maybe getting some stuff like cough syrup or antihistamines in hopes of maybe getting some sleep. Sorry to ramble, but there is no way around it, this is horrible.

[taj]

Best of luck guys.. will be pulling for you.

hydrochris-you know where to find me if you ever need someone to talk/bitch to.

wishing you all the best, and let us know how it;s going...

[More Feen]

Is there any way you guys can taper?

I know tapering sucks--but the harshness of cold-turk w/ds can be avoided.

Having your "tapering meds" around is ALWAYS difficult, because you should have enough drugs there for several "great" euphoric doses. But rationing them, and taking sub-euphoric doses during your taper, takes a whole lot of will power.

For the OP (Hydro Chris), when you took a small amount of your Opana, you kind of hopped on the taper for a little while, and it probably made you feel better--not great, but better.

Don't a let little "slip" bring your spirits down. Actually, a small, sub-euphoric dose while w/d can aid your progress. Just remember to use a very small amount, and space doses out (once a day, every other day, every 3 days, once a week). Takes will power not to take enough to get high, but it is so much better than facing w/d head-on.

Ease into an opiate-free state (as if it were a swimming pool of cold water), jumping in can be distressing & dangerous.

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3912&stc=1&d=1249506953
I don't know if the graph above is right, accurate or even helpful, but this is how I look at withdrawal (opiates in this case, but could be benzos, cocaine, amphetamine, etc...), similar processes for most.

Since you've been supplying exogenous opiates to your body (orange line), the (post-synaptic) neurons have "down-regulated" the number of opiate receptors available (pink line). Also, your body's natural opiate production has been shut down, or greatly decreased (blue line).

It takes time to up-regulate the opi receptors and also to increase your natural opiate production. Meanwhile, you are feeling like shyte. An OCCASSIONAL small dose of your Opana (orange spikes) can help you feel better, without seriously fucking up your wihtdrawal efforts.

If, however, you resort to frequent, high doses of exogenous opiates, your body will respond accordingly, by lowering the number of opiate receptors and decreasing your natural opiates. Long, sustained doses of opiates should be avoided for this reason.

M F

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

That's an interesting graph there more feen thanks for posting it! Well it is day for and I have to say I am feeling a little better, not a ton, but a little so there is hope. I even grabbed some zzz's last night which was a godsend. So this is a CT kick, without any confort meds besides OTC ibuprofen and Doxylamine Succinate which helped me sleep. So maybe there is light, only problem is.... I get a ton of money today, and there's a really good chance that some shit will be available. :cool:

[hydro chris]

definitely an interesting graph. thanks btw.
im at a lose here. i definitely cant handle the w/d. the depression is way to much..im already on med for that.
as soon as the w/d kick in hard/fucken intense..like no w/d's id experience before. i cave just enough to be able to function. fuck even though i dont have to work, simple house hold stuff is incapable.
im fucken confused as hell. mabe the problem is the fact is that i have a couple apana/and a huge supply of H.C. im probably better of with a taper.
then i go to the dr.s on the 17th again, for a re-up
what a fucken mess!!

[nick]

definitely an interesting graph. thanks btw.
im at a lose here. i definitely cant handle the w/d. the depression is way to much..im already on med for that.
as soon as the w/d kick in hard/fucken intense..like no w/d's id experience before. i cave just enough to be able to function. fuck even though i dont have to work, simple house hold stuff is incapable.
im fucken confused as hell. mabe the problem is the fact is that i have a couple apana/and a huge supply of H.C. im probably better of with a taper.
then i go to the dr.s on the 17th again, for a re-up
what a fucken mess!!

Don't feel bad about it,man.Outside of jail,few folks can go ct and make it through.I'd consider a taper or reduce your habit before trying ct again.

Nil desperandum and all that.

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

Yea, I've been going CT and without any benzos or shit like that. It's day four and although I feel better I feel kind of like a zombie, I guess I took too much of the antihistamine to sleep and it has left me groggy and spacey all day.

[hydro chris]

^^congrats man,keep it up. iv havent made a day yet justtin get buy with 1/10 mg opana..to take the edge off so i can at least to get out of bed, i guess it an accomplishments:(.
iv kick lots of time and nothen beets this one.

[hydro chris]

Don't feel bad about it,man.Outside of jail,few folks can go ct and make it through.I'd consider a taper or reduce your habit before trying ct again.

Nil desperandum and all that.
i hear ya nick; this is what is was sorta thinkin..but im thinking way to much anyways..so i dont know what the fuck is going on:confused:.
oh thanks btw.

[hydro chris]

hey guys
whats with the dizzy spells during w/d's?
i user only get them toward the end of it, now it constant..
any thing to due wit diet, and not eating correctly.idk?

[duck]

DEHYDRATION.

[hydro chris]

^^hey could be-but i really dough it..since im drinking I think enough but, could be wrong. i pretty much drinking gatoraide,plus protein shakes 3 tid. im gonna bump up the water though. thanks

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

Thanks man, yea you gotta do what you've gotta do when kicking, if I had the opana (or whatever) I would probably take a little bit to, to get outta bed and function a little bit OR take some in hopes of falling asleep. The insomnia for me is one of the WORST symptoms, it just makes everything else that much worst.... for me atleast. Fucking brutal.

Anyway, the dizziness could be from not eating right and dehydration. If you are not eating enough food, then you will feel dizzy and light headed weather you are in WD or a normal person.... not eating enough will definitely make you feel dizzy and light headed. Your blood sugar could be way down, and that will make you feel like shit too..... even less energy if you can imagine that. I know how hard it is (that's what she said) but try to eat anything you can. Good luck!

[Shadowsblaze]

Get some salt in ya to hang on to the water. Keep it up guys, hoping for the best. Like your avatar Chriss keeping the mind on something will help slow all those thoughts down. Take care all.:)

[nick]

Might be blood pressure.Mine goes all over the place when kicking.Nutrition and hydration obviously effects blood pressure,but mine changes no matter what I eat and drink.

In fact low blood pressure causing confusion and a total lack of energy(I just feel dead) is the worst physical part of wd for me.

[Dan Steely]

You might be surprised to find that some guided meditation will help you feel better. It seems dumb but I have found that it does indeed help quite a bit. Just google it and you will find plenty of options.

[nick]

You might be surprised to find that some guided meditation will help you feel better. It seems dumb but I have found that it does indeed help quite a bit. Just google it and you will find plenty of options.

Can you meditate when in full wd,man? If you can you're a stronger man than me.

[Dan Steely]

Can you meditate when in full wd,man? If you can you're a stronger man than me.

I don't do full wd. I got a taste of it once and that was all I needed to know.

[nick]

I don't do full wd. I got a taste of it once and that was all I needed to know.

Yeah,I can't even think straight when I'm in full wd,but meditation really helps in light wd and is very useful after a kick.

I try and meditate every day.

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

Might be blood pressure.Mine goes all over the place when kicking.Nutrition and hydration obviously effects blood pressure,but mine changes no matter what I eat and drink.

In fact low blood pressure causing confusion and a total lack of energy(I just feel dead) is the worst physical part of wd for me.

I could be wrong Nick, but actually I think that our blood pressure increases (goes up) when we are in withdrawal. Our heart rates certainly do, and I am almost positive that for mostly everybody, systolic and diastolic pressure increase believe it or not. When we are on Opis, one of the side effects is decreased blood pressure. I remember when I was in the hospital for an appendicitis, I was in there for about a week before they yanked the fucking thing (can you imagine a fucking week for something as routine as an appendicitis) during surgery. Anyway, this was before I had any type of a habit and was opiate naive, and at the worst point I could request morphine every hour. I remember at one point not too long after I recieved the heavanly dose of moprhine, they took my blood pressure and it was 98/47 100% serious and honest!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought I would die, and there was no way I could move, mostly because of pain, but I'm guessing also becuase of the low low low low BP.

[hydro chris]

i really am at a lose here..
a) i either get my tolerance down to were im able to functional -eating good, getting back to the gym and use them for what they are for, ect..ect..or..

b) just get off them fuckers all together, and deal wit -my hurtin ass self- which is likely possible but rather not.

i planed to quit c/t, nope not this time. my habit had gotten sky high.. i would of ran out of the prescribe shit, and would've been broke as hell for the street shit, if it continued, so i guess i was smart enough this time to give it a shot and do the right thing.
im just taken enough to get out of bed and do what i gotta do, so im pretty much as hair above E.

my dilemma.. is the fact that i got a dr. app. in about a little over a week, that mean full scripts..
fuck, now that i know what w/d's feel like again, i dont wanna bring it up to my dr. cause the pain issues that they do get really bad and i cant even walk. which also will lead to nomo opi's.
and, the chances of getting myself back in the situation im in now, again and again is really high.
i need to make up my mind, which is really difficult, if you know what im sayin!

i had control over my use for a year..and im proud that i had control for a least that long.

.. and probably would be totally, still clean if i wasnt fucking around wit my friends on the highway going 50 and crashing into a jersey barrier (or w/e the f/ there called) that shouldn't of have been in my damn way.
good lookin out everybody... and Shadowsblaze much respect.

[Opiyum]

That's rough. Sounds like your in quite a jam and have been for a little while. Try not to get to discouraged I'm sure you'll be able to work things out. It's just going to take some time and unfortunately pain. The dirtiest of all four letter words.
Best of luck to you buddy.

[hydro chris]

little up date..
man strait up its been a rough week ill tell ya that.
started of w/d's tues. wasnt planing on taking any opies though it at all..but as the day went on i caved in,in the afternoon, where as the w/d became unbearable and very intense..so i took one 10mg opana er inter nasal, just to help a little and be able to at least stand up strait.

the next day wed. i was home with my son and couldnt handle it..i took 10 mgs around 11;00am, well the 10mgs just bearly got me up and i was still fucked, but at least i could pay attention to my son and all, which was pretty awesome concerting..also had to take another 10mgs at 6pm w/d started to become intolerable

so thru. i pretty much did the same as the day before feeling slightly better, still kinda nasty..

friday... i woke up around 8am waited until about 10am to dose -10mgs, i differently started to feel better physically/mentally as the day went on, and dosed at 5pm with ONLY 5 millies, (yes.. im suped about that) i was still feelling shitty but was able to at least function. and friday night was the only night i slept 6 hours strait.
(but i did kick in a couple extra k-pins).

which leads to today woke at 7:30 dose only 5mgs at 8am, another 5mgs at 1pm and at 6.
i even made it to the gym today and got a slight work out in. my water an food intake are up also.

so i do have one question, i thinking tomorrow i should switch over to hydocodone and cont. wit the tapering down.
im gathering 10mgs of opena equals to 30 mgs of hydro, give or take?

so im pretty much wondering on your guys take, on the rest of the taper?
and, i thank all of you for keepin my head up, much love no dought!

[LongKissGoodNite]

Switching over to hydro is definitely the way to go if your goal is to decrease your tolerance and/or quit all together. The one time I was able to quit by tapering off, I was out of the country which helped alot, but anyway, I tapered down as much as possible with the oxycodone and then switched over to hydrocodone.

The amount doesn't seem to matter as much as the frequency. If you take just enough to get yourself right, which shouldnt be too hard to figure out, there are converter programs online, then keep on truckin. When you feel worse for the wear again, dose again. Ive learned that whether I took a grip or a little bit, the amount never seemed to matter, because as soon as the effective half-life interval came around I was feeling like shit again. So I'd say the hydro is a good choice, save the opana for when you really REALLY need it :)