Punchin' Thru Sub Block by Smokin' OC

[duper]

Was just wondering about other people's experience with this.. It seems to SWIM that smoking OxyContin (i.e. Continuous-Release OxyCodone; primarily U.S. brand-namer's from teh Purd Farma) is significantly more effective at "punching through" a Suboxone blockade--and perhaps other long-acting type opioids too such as Methadone/Metha-Dose, although SWIM has only attempted this with 8mg Buprenorphine and 2mg Naloxone tablets. :o

First and foremost, in order to provide some more insight into SWIM's assertion that arose from said excursion, allow me to provide some background on SWIM's intake of both. Leading up to a recent vacation, SWIM had decreased their sub intake from stabilized on 4mg down to 3mg-2mg per day. That was because SWIM knew that their vacation spot would be conducive to "weekend warrior'ing," so to speak. :sport-smi

With that being said, SWIM experimented chasing the following dragons: 80mg OxyContin, 30mg Roxicodone and 30mg OxyContin (Yes, 30mg.. that is not a typo.. the new ones..) The first time SWIM did it was the day following a 2mg dose. Now SWIM know's that the full-agonist affects were relatively diminished at this point but in hindsight they were still relatively pronounced; at least more than expected. :magic-shit

After about a week or so of enjoying this newly discovered ROA (at least for SWIM), SWIM switched back to Suboxone for several days by snorting 8mg the first day, 4mg the second day, 4mg the third day, and 2.5mg the fourth day. On day five, SWIM copped a ten-stack of OC80's and was quite suprised because of the punch that was packed when smoking them. Have any other of your SWIM's experienced this or do they have a scientific hypothesis as to why this may have happened to SWIM? For some reason, SWIM feels like the transition from intranasal/sublingual Suboxone to smoked Oxy(Codone/Contin) and back again is fairly rewarding, if ya'll catch SWIM's drift.. ;)

:cloud9:

P.S. It would have been most advantageous to cross-post this on the Buprenorphine forum as well (e.g. USENET newsgroups.. Does the vBulletin/Opiophile server-side software implement such a feature or something similar to it?) :puterwork

[libertine]

ahh man, so much waste... i could line the streets with all the sullen molecules that escaped your grasp, and laughed at you while floating away, then again

i laugh at myself every time i fix.......... tar.......... so, all in all, fuck suboxone

[Synack]

christ, I thought this 'smoking oxy' shit was a joke... damn... now I'm wondering if I could do the same thing with opana IR's, but i'm not about to waste one trying.

[youwonhundred]

smoking pills? you have got to be fucking kidding me. might as well shove em up your ass for all teh good smoking em will do.

[Synack]

.. and smoking oxycodone? wtf is the point - the oral bioav is very high for an oral med... you're wasting so much medication and inhaling tons of filler/binder. I see black lung in your future. :D

[30_Units]

Aside from the smoking of the pills, I just take a break. Wait till I'm sniffly, then dose the illicit, wait till i'm sniffly again, then dose the sub.

Works like a charm.

And it's not crazy either-people talk about being 'immune' if that's the right word, to the blockade effects of bupe. I've never tested myself, but several people on this board do it regularly.

[dharma bum]

So you smoked 10 O.C. 80's?

[Bluemagician]

I've never had much trouble "punching thru" 8 mgs of sub, personally, when IVing heroin. I can feel 1 bag 24hrs after dosing 8mgs of sub, although the effects are weaker. Takes me about 3-4 bags when on subs to get me where 2 bags do when I wait 72+ hrs. Many times oportunities present themselves, and I don't have the patience to wait the 3-4 days for the subs to fully wear off. I've heard that the opiate blocking really amps up at around 16mg+, but doses below that are very easy to break through. Oh yeah, and as others have said, you are wasting that medication by trying to smoke it, you are on such a low dose of subs, that you would probably find you could easily break through the sub blockade by parachuting/sniffing/just plain eating those meds, also.

[chopstix]

Was just wondering about other people's experience with this..

Mostly pointing and laughing.

[samsong]

Synack--my best friend tried smoking/vaporising/and freebasing the opana IRs and was not successful in the slightest--these were the 5mg IR's. Don't bother trying until some who has developed a clear methodlogy to do this chimes in with success story, but I doubt that is going to happen anyway.

[StackBundles]

Instead of smoking them, why don't you just plant them in your backyard and maybe, just maybe, you can grow some O.C. trees.

I heard that's where they come from anyways. "They" just don't want you to know about it, just like "they" all make fun of the "idiots" who smoke pills, when, in reality, it is the most efficacious route available when it comes to doing them.

[Restharrow]

Mostly pointing and laughing.
and this is my laugh for the day!

Thanks!
Will

[bodytec]

^^^^
Ha ha,lot's of laughs above!
Yea,please tell me that you didn't SMOKE a ten pack,man....please.
All you gotta do is wait about 18 hrs. after your last little 1-2mg bupe dose,
then i.v. the shit outta wunna doze bad boyz!
the rush will only last about 3 min but it sure is nice!:D

[Papa Verine]

I've never had any problems taking 8mg of suboxone in the morning, and doing a bag or 2 of dope in the afternoon. No noticeable blocking effects... but that was just me taking a single 8mg dose. I've never actually taken suboxone for more then a day or 2.

I see this possibly changing in the future... I guess in the end it's better then nothing. I guess...

[duper]

So you smoked 10 O.C. 80's?

Hell no! Are you crazy? How could anyone smoke ten in one sitting? I'd probably OD lollers! I only had to smoke like three-quarters of one to get nodding.

[Mallinckrodt]

Hell no! Are you crazy? How could anyone smoke ten in one sitting? I'd probably OD lollers! I only had to smoke like three-quarters of one to get nodding.


So. . .are you planning on smoking the rest of them? I would suggest buying sugar pills or something equally benign and cheap to get the same effect. That placebo will work as long as you keep believing in yourself like this.

In the meantime, sell those 80's to someone who needs 'em, or--when you get sick of the taste of burnt money in your lungs--eat them yourself or, seriously, stick them up your ass.

[Papa Verine]

^^^ Come on, this is not the first time I've heard of people getting effects from smoked OxyContins. I've never tried it myself, but I don't believe in the power of placebo that much...

It must work. Even if swallowing them works just as well or better... it has to work.

Duper is not crazy out of his mind imagining things is he???

[Mallinckrodt]

^^^ Come on, this is not the first time I've heard of people getting effects from smoked OxyContins. I've never tried it myself, but I don't believe in the power of placebo that much...

It must work. Even if swallowing them works just as well or better... it has to work.

Duper is not crazy out of his mind imagining things is he???


To be completely honest, I don't know for sure. But I am pretty confident that the heat he is applying to the oxycodone burns the vast majority of it before he gets any into his lungs. There is no doubt some smoke for him to inhale, but I'd bet it's mostly fillers/binders etc.

I know what you mean. . .I've heard of plenty of people doing this. I just don't see it being a viable roa.

[Fentx12]

ok i understand what you all are saying about inhaling all the fillers and binders, but smoking oc most definitely works. it is my favorite way to do oc's when using them for recreation.


for example, i am a cp'er like alot of you, but i do like to have a little fun every once in a while. if i swallow one whole OC
80, that will last the longest obviously, and provide the best pain relief over a period of hours but i will most likely feel nothing.
If i smoke a whole 80 i will be high to the point of nodding, (cuz of tolerance not so much anymore tho), but that only lasts about 2 hrs max.

[Stonnewolf]

smoking pills is fucking dumb, point-blank-PERIOD.

please stop waisting pills it makes me wanna cry :'(

[youwonhundred]

Whenever you smoke a pill, god kills a kitten.

PLEASE think of the kittens!

[feelings of u4ia]

Did this smoking pill fad become cool when that douche started doing it on MTV True Life: I'm Addicted to Meds?

I wanted to throw something at the TV every single time he started smoking Oxycontin.

[Milkdud39]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't smoking pills destroy the medication. I thought that oxy was very heat sensitive. I dunno. I have never smoked a pill and never will. Its seems to me as if I would be wasting 60 dollars. And can anyone verify they really get fucked up from the pill be smoked? I mean the human brain is a very powerful thing. You may think you are getting fucked up or even worse the binders and fillers are fucking you up and you think its the oxy. Thats just my 2 cents. Like I said I have never or ever will smoke a pill.

Oh yeah and that douchebag on MTV was a real winner. LOL! I wish my life was just like his! ROFL

Milkdud39

[nhop]

Next time try chewing (to a fine powder) maybe 1/2 as much.

I can't beleive you would waste so much OC (especially at the prices paid for them!) by smoking! them! The previous poster who suggested blowing them up ur ass was right (Literally) that this would be a more effective way of taking them.

The whole reason oxy & hydro codones are used to the extent that they are in USA (vs morphine type compounds) is because of their high oral bioavailability. You might want to do a little reading / research on this subject before wasting expensive pills in such an absurd fashion in future...

[Seedy]

i'm not advocating smoking pills but i think i can see where this guy's coming from. the only time i've tried injecting H (kiwi homebake - if made well it's as good/better than the average street dope) i had it while solidly taking 2mg/day the shot provided no noticable rush, but a reasonable buzz. the next day i tried smoking a little off foil and got a pretty decent rush off of it. maybe there's something too this.

[Chemical_Boy]

I am sure you can get some effect by smoking pills. After all you can smoke opium and that is just another kind of opioid molecule you are inhaling. But I imagine you must wast a lot of oxycodone in the process compared to eating/snorting/plugging/slamming. Just seems like such a shame.

As far as breaking through subs this way.... Shit, I can hardly break through subs slamming dope if it is the same day I took sub. I think I would have to slam 4 or 5 80s to break through. Not that I would try. too expensive and too much of a waste. I don't even think I could smoke enough to break through even if I was willing to waste a perfectly good forty dollar pill by smoking it.

This pill smoking thing is just bizzare. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

If I was going to smoke an OC, I think I would just lay off the sub for a day or two and go about it that way.

That is just me though.

[Ickyuck]

*clutches (invisible) OC's* My babies!!! I would never smoke them!!!!