I think my ride with oxy is going to end for now

[RoxiGuy]

I started using Percs/Vics recreationally maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Got introduced to Roxi maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Me, I'm generally a smart guy and figured out how to just get them from the doc instead for paying $10-$20-$30 a pill and have been getting average of 300 a month for about 3 years now. My problem is that I can swallow, chewed up about 15 Roxi 30s at a time now. Snorting doesn nothing, plugging does nothing and shooting is about the same. I've always stuck with oral consumption with a couple crack with my teeth so they dissolve faster in my belly. Byt honestly I have to eat at least 10 at a time to feel good.
I know it's an insane amount but I have had the means to keep it up for a while now and I'm just sick of it. Do you guys think I'll ever be able to go back to having 1 or 2 get me off anymore? I've quit before but I usually used M-Done to avoid W/Ds and never quit for more than 3 months max. This time I'm going for maybe a few years off. Does anyone have any educated responses as to tolerance levels dwindiling after time or should I just give up and eat my 15 every here and there.

I've never had any financial problems from my habit nor has my family suffered or lacked anything. Wort thing has been pawning some crap I never used anyways. What you guys think?

[Morphus]

If you quit for a few months, or years even, and started using again you might get loaded for the first few days off the amounts you did before you were habituated to the degree you are now, but your tolerance will quickly rise to about where it was before you quit. Once you get nice and hooked it seems like your brain never returns to it's pre-addict state.................

Seems like there is some ambivalence in what you posted; like maybe you want someone to talk you out of quitting because your use hasn't made a negative impact on your life.......I dunno, my use has never really made my life hell either, but it's the total enslavement of brain and body that really disturbs me and forces me to think of quitting at times.......good luck with whatever you choose, but 300 mg + oxy a day is no joke and is liable to be a bit painful, so maybe try and taper, with oxy or methadone or something.

[barbiegal]

Ugh,I'm in the same boat. It gets kind of old huh? Even though I'm CPer and need my meds,I sure as hell don't need them in the amounts I consume them. And I pay just my $10.00 co pays so it isn't even the money. I really want to take them as Rxd and get my life back. I don't eat 15 at a time but I bet I use the same amount as you just spread out. And I don't IV but have used the ROAs you mentioned.
Sorry I have no advice,just comeserating with ya. Hope someone else comes by that can help.

[hydro chris]

i hear ya man,
with a slow taper, willpower and patience.. i believe you can do it.
its definitely possible if you have a few months of clean time.
so.. best bet imo is to do a slow taper.. get a few to 6 months of clean time under ur belt.
but then again the hard part well be be to keep it down from there on then.
ahh.. opiates what a f/in roller coaster we have to deal wit. good luck wit what you choose and take it easy bro.

[Chipper]

The only thing that's every worked for me was to do a slow taper down to 0, then abstrain for a few months before you chip once a fortnight. That's the most reliable way to get a decent buzz out of a small amount of opiate.

It's also very hard to do. But, i guarantee you, it definitely works. Absolutely.

[More Feen]

I agree with the others above me.

Tapering WAY down even to the point of being clean for a while is really the only way.

I've heard of some people, in the same boat as you, who have access to buprenorphine who will stop taking their main DOC, waiting for W/Ds to begin a bit, then using buprenorphine for a week or two to mellow their W/Ds.

Then, when their opi receptors haven't seen a full-on, God-honest opi-agonist for a week or two, they stop taking their buprenorphine (or taper-down) for two days or so (to get most of the bupe out of their system), then they hit their opi receptors with their main DOC.

They do NOT need to take a lot for them to feel it again. The main thing is: you have to reduce your intake of your DOC and get your neurons to create new opi-receptors again (they are greatly down-regulated because they've been swimming in roxi for so long).

By taper-down, or by substituting a partial agonist like buprenorphine for a while, the neurons will begin to up-regulate and create opi-receptors again.

At least that is how I learnt farmakolojee. In a sense, it can be a good thing (although it sucks), but it can keep an opiate user from using too much and causing them to have to take a break once in a while.

Another thing I was taught is that although one's tolerance increases (takes more DOC to get high) the lethal dose doesn't change too much. So a opi-tolerant person needs to take more & more of their DOC to get the effect they want, but those doses tend to get closer and closer to a lethal dose.

I'm not sure if that is 100% true, or not, because an opi-tolerant (or benzo-tolerant, alcohol-tolerant, etc...) will have increased activity of the enzymes and mechanisms that de-tox & metabolise the drug they are abusing. But that is what they taught us.

M F

[More Feen]

Once you get nice and hooked it seems like your brain never returns to it's pre-addict state................. but it's the total enslavement of brain and body that really disturbs me and forces me to think of quitting at times.

Morphus, absolutely right about that. It starts innocently enough, then it takes over, sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly.

I've never tried meth, and never will. Opis are difficult enough, but meth seems to work so much quicker in this regard (enslavement).

Best, if possible, to get yourself down to the lowest dose, and even to start skipping a day or two. It takes a shyteload of will power to tough it out.

Ideally, a good point to get to is what Chipper suggests; dose only once in a two-week time period. Your tolerance will be low and STAY low, and one's life will be theirs again. Hell, even if you can get down to dosing once a week would put you in the same boat.

M F

[Morfiend]

Ideally, a good point to get to is what Chipper suggests; dose only once in a two-week time period. Your tolerance will be low and STAY low, and one's life will be theirs again. Hell, even if you can get down to dosing once a week would put you in the same boat.

M F

This looks good on paper, but I personally can't do it. I do it once and my brain starts making plans to do it again the next day almost automatically. Careful RoxiGuy... I've tried that so many times and just gone through the whole cycle again instead. But there's no reason you can't do it... I just know I can't.

[Chipper]

It IS extremely hard to do and I mess up from time to time, as well. It just takes years on being on the roller-coaster with diminishing returns to arrive at that point. BTW, even weekend use creeps up on you. A fortnight really is best but that sort of discipline is nothing short of a daily battle.

[More Feen]

This looks good on paper, but I personally can't do it. I do it once and my brain starts making plans to do it again the next day almost automatically. Careful RoxiGuy... I've tried that so many times and just gone through the whole cycle again instead. But there's no reason you can't do it... I just know I can't.

Going more than a week without is rough. I don't think I can remember the last time there were two-weeks between dosing.

But tapering down to almost nada, and going a few days without, then hitting a good dose re-tickles those receptors almost as good as the first few times.

Absolutely: diminished returns. I'm trying to think of some brightside to this dismal fact, but cannot.

About day 3 without, one knows that a dose will feel pretty good..., but if one waits another day, it'll feel even better.

But damn, wouldn't it be nice to feel pretty good right now ?

dismal.

M F

[lespaulpower]

I started using Percs/Vics recreationally maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Got introduced to Roxi maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Me, I'm generally a smart guy and figured out how to just get them from the doc instead for paying $10-$20-$30 a pill and have been getting average of 300 a month for about 3 years now. My problem is that I can swallow, chewed up about 15 Roxi 30s at a time now. Snorting doesn nothing, plugging does nothing and shooting is about the same. I've always stuck with oral consumption with a couple crack with my teeth so they dissolve faster in my belly. Byt honestly I have to eat at least 10 at a time to feel good.
I know it's an insane amount but I have had the means to keep it up for a while now and I'm just sick of it. Do you guys think I'll ever be able to go back to having 1 or 2 get me off anymore? I've quit before but I usually used M-Done to avoid W/Ds and never quit for more than 3 months max. This time I'm going for maybe a few years off. Does anyone have any educated responses as to tolerance levels dwindiling after time or should I just give up and eat my 15 every here and there.

I've never had any financial problems from my habit nor has my family suffered or lacked anything. Wort thing has been pawning some crap I never used anyways. What you guys think?

It's wise that you've been using them only orally.
Oxycodone actually has less bioavailability when you IV/IM it.
The oral bioavailability ranges from 60-87 %

As far as your tolerance goes; tolerance gan drop quickly when you're kicking. In a matter of days in some case - which can be dangerous too; after a few days sick, it's a good idea to start with a lower dose, as you're tolerance has most definitely dropped. The longer you can hold off, the better off you will be as far as that goes.

Seeing as how you get them prescribed by a physician, you also have the option of switiching to an alternative opioid that has incomplet cross-tolerance with oxy. Rotating between different drugs can help keep tolerance at bay.

[More Feen]

Just recently a friend I know very well has been tapering and denying his opi-receptors for ~2-3 weeks now.

Granted, there was some buprenorphine on hand to help out, but even this partial agonist/antagonist was tapered.

He was tired of not getting a good response from his DOC, due to habituation & tolerance.

Well, yesterday evening, he blasted a moderate dose of his DOC, a full-on agonist, and had an incredible rush (very much like when he first began using). He describes the rush as feeling so warm and tight across his chest & upper arms that it almost ached.

10-20 seconds later, he was just buzzed.

But, in short, tapering and denying does work when trying to recapture the wonderful feelings opiates produce--just like when you first started.

I am convinced that the reward is well worth it. Denying yourself of the little pleasures every day in order to receive a MAXIMAL REWARD every week, or two.

Another benefit is that one uses less drugs, spends less money, is less likely to encounter LE (since one would need to score less frequently).

Is it tough to do?

Hell yes!

Is it worth it?

God damn straight, it certainly is!

M F

[Duckfeet]

And that, my friend, has pretty much ruled my life...


Going more than a week without is rough. I don't think I can remember the last time there were two-weeks between dosing.

But tapering down to almost nada, and going a few days without, then hitting a good dose re-tickles those receptors almost as good as the first few times.

Absolutely: diminished returns. I'm trying to think of some brightside to this dismal fact, but cannot.

About day 3 without, one knows that a dose will feel pretty good..., but if one waits another day, it'll feel even better.

But damn, wouldn't it be nice to feel pretty good right now ?

dismal.

M F

[JonnyMohawk]

But damn, wouldn't it be nice to feel pretty good right now ?



Yes yes it would.

Which is why I can never save as effectively as I wish I could.


it's always the same mantra "you'll figure tomorrow out tomorrow, live for the now"

[Chipper]

For the sake of a balanced argument, one should also think "But damn, wouldn't it also be nice to not feel worse tomorrow ?"

Not that I always follow it. Nobody here is really above temptation but that's the stuff i tell myself. Over and over.

Tomorrow always comes. Got to believe that.

[JonnyMohawk]

Tomorrow always comes. Got to believe that.


Tomorrow usually comes.

There is at least one time for each of us that tomorrow won't come...

and there will be a time when tomorrow doesn't come for anyone...

It's all just a matter of time.

[Chipper]

Tomorrow usually comes.

There is at least one time for each of us that tomorrow won't come...

and there will be a time when tomorrow doesn't come for anyone...

It's all just a matter of time.

:(

Still, the odds are in my favour.

:)

[JonnyMohawk]

:(

Still, the odds are in my favour.

:)


That depends, how old are you?

haha just playin :)

[Duckfeet]

Alright, fucker ;)


That depends, how old are you?

haha just playin :)

[BlueMajick]

About being able to get off from smaller amounts in the future, i completely believe it is possible.

I used to use 3 to 3 1/2 80's a day, every day for about 5 months. Since then I've managed to taper down, stay at a very low dose for a few weeks, and then start back up.

When I started again I only had the means to do 80mg a day, I'm sure this helped keep me there, but surprisingly, this really did work, granted sometimes I wanted to do a little more, but I would just do less in the morning, and do more in the afternoon, or less at night, to do more the next morning, etc.

I was stabilized at 80mg a day for about 4 months, getting recreational value out of it every day. I'd say 20-30mg was still the sweet spot for me after 4 months.... which is so long as far as tolerance time goes... at least in my past experiences with tolerance over the last 4 years. If I wanted to really get off, and go into a nod, I'd have to do about 40.

[Morfiend]

About being able to get off from smaller amounts in the future, i completely believe it is possible.

I used to use 3 to 3 1/2 80's a day, every day for about 5 months. Since then I've managed to taper down, stay at a very low dose for a few weeks, and then start back up.

When I started again I only had the means to do 80mg a day, I'm sure this helped keep me there, but surprisingly, this really did work, granted sometimes I wanted to do a little more, but I would just do less in the morning, and do more in the afternoon, or less at night, to do more the next morning, etc.

I was stabilized at 80mg a day for about 4 months, getting recreational value out of it every day. I'd say 20-30mg was still the sweet spot for me after 4 months.... which is so long as far as tolerance time goes... at least in my past experiences with tolerance over the last 4 years. If I wanted to really get off, and go into a nod, I'd have to do about 40.

This is called torturing yourself. If an opiate high is a priority for you, then the high will not be pleasant enough to make up for the time you are spending adjusting your tolerance and anticipating that high (as well as facing whatever degree of withdrawal might exist). I understand why people do this, but it is an unobtainable ideal for me and certainly seems illogical. Either quit or suffer no illusion about the quantity and frequency of your doses... moderation is so ambiguous a term that you may define it in such a way to convince yourself that your use is acceptable while in reality this is a convenient lie to justify giving into impulses. At least this is my experience.

[dopethrone]

This is called torturing yourself. If an opiate high is a priority for you, then the high will not be pleasant enough to make up for the time you are spending adjusting your tolerance and anticipating that high (as well as facing whatever degree of withdrawal might exist). I understand why people do this, but it is an unobtainable ideal for me and certainly seems illogical. Either quit or suffer no illusion about the quantity and frequency of your doses... moderation is so ambiguous a term that you may define it in such a way to convince yourself that your use is acceptable while in reality this is a convenient lie to justify giving into impulses. At least this is my experience.


My God you hit the nail on the head.

[feelings of u4ia]

This is called torturing yourself. If an opiate high is a priority for you, then the high will not be pleasant enough to make up for the time you are spending adjusting your tolerance and anticipating that high (as well as facing whatever degree of withdrawal might exist). I understand why people do this, but it is an unobtainable ideal for me and certainly seems illogical. Either quit or suffer no illusion about the quantity and frequency of your doses... moderation is so ambiguous a term that you may define it in such a way to convince yourself that your use is acceptable while in reality this is a convenient lie to justify giving into impulses. At least this is my experience.

+1000000

[deltapsik0]

This is called torturing yourself. If an opiate high is a priority for you, then the high will not be pleasant enough to make up for the time you are spending adjusting your tolerance and anticipating that high (as well as facing whatever degree of withdrawal might exist). I understand why people do this, but it is an unobtainable ideal for me and certainly seems illogical. Either quit or suffer no illusion about the quantity and frequency of your doses... moderation is so ambiguous a term that you may define it in such a way to convince yourself that your use is acceptable while in reality this is a convenient lie to justify giving into impulses. At least this is my experience.


All good things are taken in moderation..

Not everyone is unable to control their drug use man.. i totally understand what your saying, and i agree on some levels, but having a low tolerance and taking some heat during the week withdrawling to be able to get blasted weekend warrior style is so worth it if you can mind over matter the whole situation...

In which case you should make your mind up to quit anyway, but it's not always that easy, theres almost always a dependant issue, a woman or a man that your fucking or wanting to fuck which keeps you doping... aside from the love of dope, this usually rings true.

[OxyQueen]

This is called torturing yourself. If an opiate high is a priority for you, then the high will not be pleasant enough to make up for the time you are spending adjusting your tolerance and anticipating that high (as well as facing whatever degree of withdrawal might exist). I understand why people do this, but it is an unobtainable ideal for me and certainly seems illogical. Either quit or suffer no illusion about the quantity and frequency of your doses... moderation is so ambiguous a term that you may define it in such a way to convince yourself that your use is acceptable while in reality this is a convenient lie to justify giving into impulses. At least this is my experience.
and my experience as well....

[RFE]

I started using Percs/Vics recreationally maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Got introduced to Roxi maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Me, I'm generally a smart guy and figured out how to just get them from the doc instead for paying $10-$20-$30 a pill and have been getting average of 300 a month for about 3 years now. My problem is that I can swallow, chewed up about 15 Roxi 30s at a time now. Snorting doesn nothing, plugging does nothing and shooting is about the same. I've always stuck with oral consumption with a couple crack with my teeth so they dissolve faster in my belly. Byt honestly I have to eat at least 10 at a time to feel good.
I know it's an insane amount but I have had the means to keep it up for a while now and I'm just sick of it. Do you guys think I'll ever be able to go back to having 1 or 2 get me off anymore? I've quit before but I usually used M-Done to avoid W/Ds and never quit for more than 3 months max. This time I'm going for maybe a few years off. Does anyone have any educated responses as to tolerance levels dwindiling after time or should I just give up and eat my 15 every here and there.

I've never had any financial problems from my habit nor has my family suffered or lacked anything. Wort thing has been pawning some crap I never used anyways. What you guys think?

Great post;). You have me beat...barely. I'm talking about the last paragraph. I am/was doing financially well until getting into opiates 5 years ago; I ended up spending 400$/day for a 650-1200mg OC per day habit (intranasal). Doing this led to IV oxymorphone and smoking fent and nearly getting fired at work for nodding out. I even OD'd for the first time ever with the dose 3200mcg (fentoras). That was such a waste. However, I do make a lot more money now that I am using less and use subs/benzos occasionally. When I started doing opiates around 16 in highschool, I couldn't even imagine what I was getting into. Right now life is looking like a never ending cycle of misery, and yet, my mind being stuck in repeat mode is actually still progressing from a social standpoint. Stupid rich kid in a 2009 Mercedes. Try an addict who has his masters and works full time.