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Opiyum
07-10-2009, 01:37 PM
I just wanted to post this little exert from a very good book that I'm sure a lot of the people here are familiar with but for those that aren't I'm sure they will find it interesting. To me it is the most well thought out argument that I have ever seen in regards to ending the war on drugs.
From "TIHKAL" written by Alexander Shulgin and Ann Shulgin.

"A call for a drug war truce with peace negotiations

Preamble: No civilized nation makes war on its own citizens. We, the people, did not declare war on our own government nor do we wish to fight its Drug War. Hence, we now petition for redress of grievances, as follows:

Whereas any just government derives its authority from a respect of the People's rights and powers ; and

Whereas the government has resorted to unilateral military force in the Drug War without any good faith effort to negotiate a peace settlement;
Therefore, we hereby call for a Drug War Truce during which to engage our communities and governments in peace negotiation, under the following terms:

Article 1: The United States shall withdraw from, repudiate, or amend any and all international Treaties or agreements limiting its ability to alter domestic drug policy.

Article 2: No patient shall be prosecuted nor any health care professional penalized for possession or use of any mutually agreed upon medications.

Article 3: Drug policy shall henceforth protect all fundamental rights, as described below:
1. Each person retains all his inalienable Constitutional, and Human rights, without exception. No drug regulation shall violate these rights.
2. The benefit of the doubt shall always be given to the accused and to any property or assets at risk. Courts shall allow the accused to present directlyt to the jury any defense based on these Rights, an explanation of motive, or mitigating circumstances, such as religion, culture, or necessity.
3. No victim: no crime. The burden of proof and corroboration in all proceedings shall lie with the government. No secret witness nor paid testimony shall be permitted in court, including that of any government agent or informant who stands to materially gain through the disposition of a drug case or forfeited property. No civil asset forfeiture shall be levied against a family home or legitimate means of commercial livelihood.
4. Issues of entrapment, government motive, and official misconduct shall all be heard by the jury in any drug case, civil or criminal. Government agents who violate the law are fully accountable and shall be prosecuted accordingly.
5. Mandatory minimum sentences undermine our system of justice. The jury shall be informed of all penalties attached to any defense before deliberating a verdict. Courts shall have the discretion to reduce penalties in the interest of justice.

Article 4: We propose a Drug War Truce and call for the immediate release of all non-violent and, aside from drug charges involving adults only, law-abiding citizens.

Article 5: No non-violent drug charges involving adults only shall be enforced or prosecuted until all parties have agreed to, and implemented, a drug policy based on full respect for fundamental Rights and personal responsibility.

Of course, all this is simply making a restatement of the rights that have been our heritage from the Magna Carta, British Common law, and our own Constitution. This truce sounds like a fine idea to me, There is a lot to gain, and nothing to lose.
Please Listen."

trainwrecker
07-10-2009, 01:56 PM
Unfortunately the government has much to lose. They make trillions off prohibition and there is good evidence that they make trillions from importing the drugs to the country.

Opiyum
07-10-2009, 02:48 PM
Trillions? That sounds awful high but without any way to prove it I suppose it could be.
Whatever the number may be (whether the importing thing is true or not) I don't think it can compare to the yearly cost of funding the drug war here (20billion a year now) and foreign aid to countries that fight drugs at our insistence, the cost of keeping people in prison and the cost of welfare and social services for those who were supported by drug profit, the immeasurable health care costs (unhealthy people can't produce nor consume), no more drug courts, no more task forces, plenty of cops and court officers now in need of a job that actually contributes to society in a positive way rather than going through the never ending motions that only, pull in checks from, and create bills and burdens for the state.
That's only the beginning. Obviously the list can go on forever.

By losing all this shit imagine what we could gain.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying any of these changes will ever take place. Optimism is not my strong suit. It's just fun for me to get lost in how amazingly foolish we are.

SHELLEY
07-10-2009, 02:59 PM
sounds great, but i wouldn't hold my fucking breath if i were y'all

Duckfeet
07-10-2009, 04:52 PM
Yeah, I liked it too, and sure would love to see that kind of thing go thru....but I kind of agree w/trainwrecker, in general, that their are now too many entrenched political interests that wouldn't gain anything, but might loose...and also, the fact that the public has been brainwashed for too damn long, and now thinks pretty much totally, that "the government knows best."

DreamSellerInc
07-14-2009, 11:32 PM
By the time this bill, 'truce' if you will, passed through the house, the senate, it would be mangled beyond all recognition. most articles would be missing or severely altered. and as everyone has pointed out before me, this interferes with Agenda. $dumb$fucking$citizens$ is what they see

madnesscult
07-17-2009, 12:05 AM
God, I wish that such a system could realistically be implemented.

It's so silly -- marijuana, opiates, and cocaine were all made illegal because of 19th and 20th-century racism: marijuana and cocaine were made illegal because of hearsay stories that were never corroborated of black men using the said substances and allegedly raping white women. Similarly, opiates were banned because Chinese immigrants were supposedly coercing white women into visiting opium dens, and then raping them.

jacky
07-18-2009, 04:43 PM
the beauty of part of the drug war is that so many people oppose or directly defy the laws........

sure, there is tragedy and loss associated with some of this drug abuse....but there is alot of drug use that goes on that is a form of psychoactive gnosis...
with knowledge and EXPERIENCE can come evolution from abuse to use...and dare I even say harnessing some positive potentials of drug/psychoactive use to better ones life.

in general, the just so no campaign is/was at best a joke, at worst, thinly veiled reactionarism from mainly a christian coalition...they really get little respect from a good portion of the population...

drug culture could and is sometimes defended even in courts in the USA, be it religiously affiliated...I think there is plenty room for other religious use of many illegalized plant substances.

edges of society have even started propping up a vendor and customer led system of trade even with some substances in their natural form that are controlled substances....
the DEA and FDA are ill equipped to actually prohibit many peoples actions in the privacy of their own home, in the face of only one crime being stopped while many crimes persist, the DEA will at some point will actually be increasing the amount of players and criminals through the inevitable glorification of the rebel led resistance...
just ask some pot dealers...they dont want cannabis legalized...a whole lifestyle and system of support would be diluted within months of legalization......I am sure whole counties in northern california would go broke as many pot farmers would loose their many mortgages...

its a delicate balance that I think will be played upon by corrupt officials and systems....certian actions will be ignored, and from that, profits will be specialized even more.

JunkYardSaint
09-04-2009, 04:12 PM
It just amazes me. Don't you ever wonder what our Founding Fathers would think of all this? It's just incredible to me - all this talk about how "evolved" we are, so much smarter than previous generations - seems to me people are losing all ability to reason. I guess that's what DEVO was trying to say hehe....

HandMeSomeOpiates
09-04-2009, 07:56 PM
By the time this bill, 'truce' if you will, passed through the house, the senate, it would be mangled beyond all recognition. most articles would be missing or severely altered. and as everyone has pointed out before me, this interferes with Agenda. $dumb$fucking$citizens$ is what they see
Hahaha You said it man! After Congress got ahold of it, it would come out the complete opposite. Harsher penalties for drug possession would then be passed haha talk about back fire!