CES Opiate Detox Videos

[Paregoric Kid]

check out these videos about patients who used cranial electrotherapy (called NeuroElectric Therapy here) for withdrawal.
http://www.netdevice.net/aboutvideojournal_2.php
http://www.netdevice.net/aboutvideojournal_1.php
http://www.netdevice.net/aboutvideojournal_3.php

and if you go here and scroll down you can watch a video with a doctor talking about the treatment: http://www.netdevice.net/videolink_expertbacksnet.php

[DCBA]

thanks for the info.

knew/know little about this use of Electronic Stimulation, at least now i know it works for restoring the endorphin system, thanks. did not knew that it did it that well.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Wonder how much that device costs? Can't score, go grab a 9volt and hook up the NET haha It would be very handy for W/D at the least. I understand how it works, but long term recovery is a whole new battle.

[Paregoric Kid]

there used to be a company that sold one for I think around $50, it was called the Voodoo Magick Box. you might be able to find a used one online. there are other companies that still sell CES devices but charge hundreds of dollars for them. you can make your own for the cost of $10-20 in electronics parts. if you go to my new CES thread in the potentiators forum you can find a link to the schematics.

[Larry]

there used to be a company that sold one for I think around $50, it was called the Voodoo Magick Box. you might be able to find a used one online. there are other companies that still sell them but charge hundreds of dollars for them. you can make your own for the cost of $10-20 in electronics parts. if you go to my new CES thread in the potentiators forum you can find a link to the schematics.

You said you made one before right? Did you have positive results

[Paregoric Kid]

yeah it definitely helped withdrawal symptoms and it was a good potentiator. it also works great for anxiety and depression. it also helps if you are having trouble getting to sleep. if used in combination with weed and ondanestron (zofran) or maybe clonidine you could probably withdrawal with very little to no symptoms at all. I never could total quit opiates because of back pain and depression issues; but if I wanted to get off of opiates I know I definitely could if I tapered down, followed by tramadol and taper off that, then the above combination I mentioned. I really miss my CES box, my fucking ex stole it. I'll have to make a new one some day soon.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I really miss my CES box, my fucking ex stole it.
So it "must" have worked :p j/k Can't stand thieves, especially ex-girlfriends. Obviously though if she went far enough to steal it, the thing did its job.

[StackBundles]

I would think that the key for doing this properly would be knowing which current to use during your sessions to accieve maximal therapeutic benifit. You can't just clip some electrodes to your ears, flip a switch, and be good.

Which brainstate is most conducive to restoring your endorphins? Multiple settings?

I can't watch the videos, but I have a TENS unit and I have been reading up on this lately. I am going to give this a try, escpecially since I am in need of a detox.

I just want to make sure that I am doing it correctly. I have read somewhere that a TENS doesn't have the enough flexibility to adjust the proper electrical currrents you would need???

[Paregoric Kid]

if you use a multimeter you can verify the minimum and maximum output of the device. you can turn it up or down to your liking with the potentiometer. I believe most CES devices have a range of 50 microamps to just a little over 1 milliamp. play around with the settings and see what works best for you, there are few side effects so it doesn't hurt to try around. you feel pulsing and it gets stronger as you turn up the microamps. the only negative side effect I ever got from it was a few times I experienced a headache from it.
there are schematics for CES devices that emit multiple frequencies simultaneously. one modification I would like to incorporate in the next CES I build is wearable stroboscopic lights that blink in synch with the rate of the pulses. I've used dreamachines with binaural beats while using CES a few times and it seemed to increase effects. an interesting fact is that in the early days it was believed the electrodes had to be placed on the eyes to penetrate the skull. this produces flashing white light which is kind of cool, try it for a couple seconds sometime or longer I guess if you want, its a cool effect. however it was soon discovered that you could place the electrodes behind the ears and that works good with fewer visual side effects, though while it is in use your vision may shake. but keep in mind there are no long term side effects, and the worst side effect from it is a possible headache. kind of funny because CES is also used to relieve tension headaches. this technology has been around a long time and has been studied extensively. there are many CES devices that have FDA approval.
some TENS devices have the ability to be used as a CES or they can be modded. although I have access to a TENS unit I would never put that thing anywhere near my head for fear of bumping the wrong thing and getting too much. electrodes for TENS units work fine for CES devices as long as they aren't the huge ones, those are kind of hard to put behind your ears. what kind of TENS unit do you have? I will look into it for you and try to find out what settings or modifications you would need to use to make your TENS unit function as a CES device. the main difference between TENS and CES is that TENS units have a range of 1 microamp to 100 milliamps and they aren't intended for use on the cranium, CES devices rarely exceed 1.5 milliamps. the waveforms used are usually different too I believe.

[StackBundles]

The TENS I have is just the little standard box, that runs off of a 9 volt. It was given to a relative for pain relief and he is passing it on to me.

Do you have any knowledge regarding what settings induce which brainstate? Or what brainstate is most conducive to repairing your endorphin/enk. system? Do they even relate? Or are there currents which specifically stimulate endorphine production?

[Paregoric Kid]

I will brush up on my CES knowledge and get back to you on which settings are most effective. all settings produce an increase in endorphins, enkephalins, dopamine, and other neurotransmitters, the question is which settings produce the most. for me I just messed around with it till I got the desired effects and usually adjusted the settings throughout the sessions.
do you know the name of your TENS unit? do you know or can you find out its output?

[drew1503]

Thanks for that, it was interesting.