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LeChuck
07-06-2009, 09:25 PM
SWIM got his hands on some 250 mcg fentanyl citrate ampoules (from a good friend) and is wondering a few things...

How much $ do these usually go for on the street? SWIM is probably going to keep for himself but he is curious since he knows they are somewhat rare.

Is this amount safe to IV? I would think it is, given IV'ing the same amount of gel would be pretty safe (though measuring 250 mcg would be the hard part) but is 250 mcg fentanyl citrate the same potency as 250 mcg of the gel?

SWIM is probably not going to IV them anyway, not really liking needles, though he does have some syringes and needles for a rainy day, so SWIM was thinking about plugging one or two ampoules (one the first time, to be safe). Does anyone have experience with plugging fentanyl citrate? How does potency compare to other versions of fentanyl and other methods of ingestion? Any comments would be helpful...

SWIM has for the last couple days been smoking fent patches (12 and 25 mcg/h) but is blowing through them really fast, is afraid to IV or plug the gel, and so is wondering about these nifty little bottles he's got.

Any comments/advice much appreciated.

squareone
07-06-2009, 09:29 PM
Haha, plugging one could kill you, two for sure. Wait for some advice, as I am ignint about Fentanyl

samsong
07-06-2009, 10:30 PM
Yes, don't do anything with them until someone with knowledge replies--hopefully you are not in w/d and can wait awhile for a good answer. And I know some people are fooled by the short acting nature of the gel when smoked, but if you have been smoking it for a few days, you have built some up in your system, it doesn't all leave you as soon as you come down form the high, it sticks around for at least a day, possibly more, so taking more fent via another roa can be very dangerous.

Morfiend
07-06-2009, 10:34 PM
I don't know anything about it, but remember that the patches are x mcg per hour so an x mcg patch might be much different than an x mcg citrate ampoules (not trying to insult your intelligence, you may be well aware heh)... goodluck, I'd wait until you have more info

LeChuck
07-06-2009, 11:10 PM
I don't know anything about it, but remember that the patches are x mcg per hour so an x mcg patch might be much different than an x mcg citrate ampoules (not trying to insult your intelligence, you may be well aware heh)... goodluck, I'd wait until you have more info
Yeah, I know. The 12 mcg/h patches actually have 1.25 mg fentanyl in them and the 25 mcg/h patches have 2.5 mg fentanyl in them. I've smoked the 12 mcg/hr patches without any problems and most of a 25 mcg/h patch but smoking is not a very efficient delivery system, for one I'm probably not getting all the gel out that I can, not catching all the smoke that I can, and then losing the rest to combustion, so I'd be surprised if I'm getting much more than 10-15% of that 1.25 mg into my system. So even though I'm OK smoking 1.25 mg fent I can't tell if this means I'd be OK IVing or plugging 250 mcg of the stuff meant for injection...

StackBundles
07-07-2009, 12:49 AM
I had some pharm fent access once. I took 650 mics in 50 mic increments as the product I had was 50 mics per mil. By the time I took my last shot I was a little worried. Fent really has no major rush. You just get heavily sedated.

All this was around the time when I had a pretty decent habit. I could smoke a whole 10 mg patch in one rip. I was banging 200 mg M shots. Doing big blasts of H. I actually blacked out from the fent.

I also O.D.ed off of the Chicago street fent of '06 also. So, unless habituated, fent can be tricky.

If I was you, I'd start out with a 50 mic shot, then wait at least 5 MINUTES before even considering another one. The sedation with that shit is tricky. The lack of rush will also fool you into thinking you need to do more... The "rush" you might associate with the fent is really just the sedation hitting you.

I ACTUALLY ADVISE YOU TO NASAL SPRAY THAT SHIT IN MANAGABLE INCREMENTS. I used to all sorts of stupid shit with patches. It's a fucking wonder that I'm still here when I have friends who aren't.

NASAL SPRAY BOTTLE. Easy to measure out a correct dose. Good B/A. Assholing fent miight not work so hot. Word is that they are coming out with a fent inhaler sometime soon, too.

SB.

God_Albino
07-07-2009, 01:40 AM
save those fuckers, dont waste them on your asshole. iv fentanyl is the only rush thats ever made me feel the 'oooh shiit yeees' like in the movies (administered in the hospital, no way would i shoot that shit until i knew EXACTLY what i was doing, even then considering how strong it is smoked...)

id be kinda scared to sell them too, just hold out till you find someone who knows their shit and offers a good price, or you get some rock solid advice here and someone with you in the event of IV'ing.

lotus
07-07-2009, 01:56 AM
SWIM got his hands on some 250 mcg fentanyl citrate ampoules (from a good friend) and is wondering a few things...

How much $ do these usually go for on the street? SWIM is probably going to keep for himself but he is curious since he knows they are somewhat rare.

Is this amount safe to IV? I would think it is, given IV'ing the same amount of gel would be pretty safe (though measuring 250 mcg would be the hard part) but is 250 mcg fentanyl citrate the same potency as 250 mcg of the gel?

SWIM is probably not going to IV them anyway, not really liking needles, though he does have some syringes and needles for a rainy day, so SWIM was thinking about plugging one or two ampoules (one the first time, to be safe). Does anyone have experience with plugging fentanyl citrate? How does potency compare to other versions of fentanyl and other methods of ingestion? Any comments would be helpful...

SWIM has for the last couple days been smoking fent patches (12 and 25 mcg/h) but is blowing through them really fast, is afraid to IV or plug the gel, and so is wondering about these nifty little bottles he's got.

Any comments/advice much appreciated.


please - hospital grade liquid drugs are not the same deal as *re-work'd* (for shooting) pills or patches or whatever.

if it's anything like morphine (pills vs hospital grade liquid) the amount you're used to means nothing.....you won't get 1/2 way thru the shot and that'll be the last thing you ever do.

other than that, i don't have much experience with fent.....i know it'll drop people like flies, and i know that other than patches, how/why it kills is why it's rarely seen.

please, do be careful~

pokergooch
07-07-2009, 02:19 PM
100mcg is about equal to 10mg of morphine. I would advise not to try anything unless you have experience with fent. A non tolerant person could die.

Remember that 100 mcg is standard for an im shot but for iv its anywhere from 25mcg to 50mcg

Be careful

Pg

More Feen
07-07-2009, 05:15 PM
Pokergooch gave you the dosage info that I was going to give you.

For an average adult, an ANALGESIC dose (pain fighting) is 10mg for morphine, and 100 micrograms for fentanyl. From those base dosages, additional amounts can be given until the desired effects are reached.

For ANESTHESIA, the morphine dose is between 1 and 5 mg per kg body weight. I weigh 160 lbs, which is ~73 kg. My morphine dose for anesthesia would be between 73 mg and 365 mg. This dose range is considered as under MEDICAL SUPERVISION, of course. There are trained doctors & nurses there and oxygen, ventillators, narcan, defib, heart monitors etc..., available to them. Keep this in mind.

The ANESTHESIA dose range for fentanyl is between 50 and 150 micrograms per kg body weight. So for a 73 kg man, the dose range is 3650 micrograms and 10950 micrograms. Again, this dose is for the operating room, with personnel & equipment to keep the patient alive. If one tried this dose--even the at the low-end--outside of the hospital, they will be risking their lives.

I agree with others about fentanyl's lack of a rush, and the temptation to be lured into "upping the dose." Some folks get a rush from it, many others do not. They mistakenly believe that they must not have gotten enough.

A close friend told me that even though he didn't feel opiated after taking fentanyl, he was incredibly insensitive to pain (the fentanyl was in his system and was indeed working). I think that many ODs have been caused by people being lured into a false sense of security and ultimately taking too much fentanyl.

Its effects are so different from other opies, like oxy & morph, that people mis-judge the effects.

Do yourself a favour, and your family & friends, IF you are going to experiment with this fent, have a sitter available who knows what he/she is doing. If any problem should come up, it will likely be a respiratory one. If you pass-out and stop breathing, your sitter might only have to breathe for you for a few minutes, or, if needed, call for an ambulance.

Others have said it before, I have said it before: Fentanyl is so powerful that it often blots-out its own euphoria. It is design to block out pain, and it does this quite well. It is a killer--even when used properly, keep this in mind. Many people get a better rush from morphine, H, oxyC etc... then from fentanyl--without the risks.

be careful,

M F

LeChuck
07-08-2009, 01:10 AM
Thanks for the advice guys. Since I've never IV'd anything before and given what you've all said about fent, I don't think this would be a good one for a first time. Kind of ironic, as it's the only thing I've got right now that's actually produced specifically for intravenous use :rolleyes:

SWIM has some liquid morphine that is both sugar and alcohol free. It's intended for oral use but do you think it would be safe to IV?

Other than that, I just have pills, and I don't know much about which ones are safer than others. I have some generic hydromorphone, maybe I'll give that a try...

Or maybe I'm being an idiot for wanting to start injecting for no real reason other than boredom...

As for my other question, anybody know what fentanyl citrate ampoules are worth on the street? Should probably get rid of them before my boredom and curiosity lead me to do something stupid.

God_Albino
07-08-2009, 01:41 AM
dude youve got a fucking awsome beautiful 'starter kit' for building a big new needle habit, dont open that box cause best case scenario, you'll love the rush and shit will never be the same, worst case you just drop dead.

if the temptations that strong, sell it, or if you got no other options dry out the ampoules and smoke it, maybe a lil waste of a rare form of good drugs to stumble across but better than a waste of a life.

dont start, i dont think anybody looks back and thinks 'thank god i started shooting, thats when my life got great'. boredoms not a good enough reason man

lib.sOCialist
07-08-2009, 03:24 PM
Pokergooch gave you the dosage info that I was going to give you.

For an average adult, an ANALGESIC dose (pain fighting) is 10mg for morphine, and 100 micrograms for fentanyl. From those base dosages, additional amounts can be given until the desired effects are reached.

For ANESTHESIA, the morphine dose is between 1 and 5 mg per kg body weight. I weigh 160 lbs, which is ~73 kg. My morphine dose for anesthesia would be between 73 mg and 365 mg. This dose range is considered as under MEDICAL SUPERVISION, of course. There are trained doctors & nurses there and oxygen, ventillators, narcan, defib, heart monitors etc..., available to them. Keep this in mind.

The ANESTHESIA dose range for fentanyl is between 50 and 150 micrograms per kg body weight. So for a 73 kg man, the dose range is 3650 micrograms and 10950 micrograms. Again, this dose is for the operating room, with personnel & equipment to keep the patient alive. If one tried this dose--even the at the low-end--outside of the hospital, they will be risking their lives.

I agree with others about fentanyl's lack of a rush, and the temptation to be lured into "upping the dose." Some folks get a rush from it, many others do not. They mistakenly believe that they must not have gotten enough.

A close friend told me that even though he didn't feel opiated after taking fentanyl, he was incredibly insensitive to pain (the fentanyl was in his system and was indeed working). I think that many ODs have been caused by people being lured into a false sense of security and ultimately taking too much fentanyl.

Its effects are so different from other opies, like oxy & morph, that people mis-judge the effects.

Do yourself a favour, and your family & friends, IF you are going to experiment with this fent, have a sitter available who knows what he/she is doing. If any problem should come up, it will likely be a respiratory one. If you pass-out and stop breathing, your sitter might only have to breathe for you for a few minutes, or, if needed, call for an ambulance.

Others have said it before, I have said it before: Fentanyl is so powerful that it often blots-out its own euphoria. It is design to block out pain, and it does this quite well. It is a killer--even when used properly, keep this in mind. Many people get a better rush from morphine, H, oxyC etc... then from fentanyl--without the risks.

be careful,

M F

Good post M F!
OP; stay safe, fent can be awesomely amazing, therein lies its fault.

Duckfeet
07-11-2009, 12:58 AM
Every fucking time, an Opy wants to either *solicit* or rip people off, it always begins w/descriptions of all the dope they have, and then, eventually--and we were waiting for it--the "does anybody know how much this stuff goes for on the street???

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