Hyrdocodone buzz more euphoric than Morphine buzz??

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I must be immune to morphine because although it makes me nod and well, I have yet to experience any real euphoria from morphine. I get the ABG 30mg ER mostly and only use them when I have no Norco. I'm tellin you though, I can take 30mg of Norco and be wayyyy more higher than if I took 150mg of morphine. It's really weird because norco is like the babie of opiates, the starting stone for most addicts, but I get so much more euphoria out of norco than morphine. I have taken 210mg of morphine and it still wasn't NEARLY as good as 30mg Norco. I was nodding profusely but was not feeling good, just tired. Just thought this was interesting as I wish morphine got me high since I have access to it often. Maybe that's why pods never worked for me.... Should this be in the piss and moan forum lol

[chinaski]

So would you trade 200mg of morphine for 3 norcos? I imagine you could find a LOT of imaginary people willing to make that pretend deal.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

So would you trade 200mg of morphine for 3 norcos? I imagine you could find a LOT of imaginary people willing to make that pretend deal.
What's weird is yeah man, I probably would. If I was out of Norco though I wouldn't trade because the morphine last much much longer and would keep me well longer than the 3 Norco.

[dharma bum]

I felt the same about morphine----until I got hold of some instant release 30 mg's.:)

[Shadowsblaze]

Try em up your butt.

[nick]

I felt the same about morphine----until I got hold of some instant release 30 mg's.:)

Exactly,the IV amps are a totally different beast compared to er morphine caps or pills.

Hey handmesomeopiates,enjoy the norcos.Wish I could get high off that sort of thing-I really do.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Hey handmesomeopiates,enjoy the norcos.Wish I could get high off that sort of thing-I really do.

Yeah man I was on roxi's pretty hardcore but because of insufficent funds and limited access to oxy I have gotten to the point where 30mg Norco gets me a good buzz for about 4 hours. I am grateful for this because I know there are others like you that would laugh at my 30mg. Something that probably wouldn't even take away most ophiles w/d's. So I am thankful and hope to one day steadily decrease to nothing but maybe kratom. But as you can tell from my signature, it's easier said, than done...

[buc]

Ethex 30mg. IR.......love em.

[Duckfeet]

I was getting morphine pills and norcos prescribed and got bored shitless w/both of them, to be truthful, but in the end, before I got back on tar, then methadone, I dropped the boring ass morphine, as I too preferred norcos......but I didn't even bother w/oxy's I had anymore...I think heroin done fucked my endorpins all up...or my tolerance just get worse, way too quick...or fuck if I know...on the other hand, I'm the guy who still thinks four darvocets and a couple of beers beats'em all, so damn if I know...we're all different, got different chemical makeup, and sometimes, some drugs just work better...only thing I know for sure, is that: the longer I do opiates, the more it takes to feel anything...it's like a serious "diminishing returns" deal...

[cactus31]

I'm with ya, dude ;)

I get more of a euphoric buzz from Hydro too. Morphine tends to be great, but more sedating and 'hystamine-releasing-ish' to me.

My question is; are you taking time-release morphine like MS-Contin?...if you're taking them orally [but not 'as directed'], maybe they literally aren't smashed up enough to give the 'punch' you're looking for??

EDIT: oops, re-read and saw that you are taking ER morphine. So yeah, are you taking them whole or smashed?!

[jersey_emt]

Different people prefer different things. Most people greatly prefer oxycodone over morphine, but I'm the opposite.

[Shadowsblaze]

Different people prefer different things. Most people greatly prefer oxycodone over morphine, but I'm the opposite.


Why do you prefer the morphine over oxi?

[Papa Verine]

Metabolism..... I don't claim to undersatand exactly how it works, but we all have different metabolisms. Hydrocodone is metabolised into Hydromorphone, so if you have an active metabolism you should enjoy the process. However, in the case of oral morphine, an active metabolism might eliminate the drug from your system too well, reducing levels in the blood.

If I were you I would try some potentiators with the morphine. Tagamet, grapefruit juice or a high fat meal should help. I'm at the point now where I have to drink my tea (morphine and co.) with a fatty meal or I barely feel it at all.

[resorcinol]

Hydrocodone is a bit weaker than morphine even orally IME, but I have to agree that it's more euphoric. I'm a total -codone type opiophile. Hydrocodone and oxycodone give me a speedy drive and focus without the nasty ampy feeling and crash that uppers would have --- morphine does not feel "uppy" to the same extent at all.

I'm totally supposed to be taking an opiophile break right now :P I guess I'm going out with a bang by a burst of posts cuz I know I'll miss it here

[SeVeN]

Morphine is good. Real good.

[Duckfeet]

You can change your mind and stay...no sweat...I've "taken breaks" from here, turned off computer, said fuck all this noise, and gone swimming, and then by afternoon started wondering what everyone was doing...you have some thoughtful posts, that you've put some effort into, I'd miss you if you were gone...

Hydrocodone is a bit weaker than morphine even orally IME, but I have to agree that it's more euphoric. I'm a total -codone type opiophile. Hydrocodone and oxycodone give me a speedy drive and focus without the nasty ampy feeling and crash that uppers would have --- morphine does not feel "uppy" to the same extent at all.

I'm totally supposed to be taking an opiophile break right now :P I guess I'm going out with a bang by a burst of posts cuz I know I'll miss it here

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

you have some thoughtful posts, that you've put some effort into, I'd miss you if you were gone...
as would I

[Papa Verine]

as would I

Me too.

[jersey_emt]

Why do you prefer the morphine over oxi?

Because it works better for me. Oral oxycodone is supposed to be 1.5x as potent as oral morphine, but many people here put it at closer to 2x as potent -- they need to take twice as much morphine to get the same effects (pain relief, euphoria, whatever) as they do with oxycodone. To me, however, they are pretty much equal in potency, with maybe even a bit of an edge for morphine.

[BrokenPens]

It's weird... I'm allergic to morphine... but no other opiates. When I was given it IV at the hospital, I turned bright red and couldn't breathe... broke out in hives. It was scary. I was in intense pain for about 15 minutes after each dose and I kept explaining that to them and they wouldn't switch me to Dilaudid till I forced the nurse to stay in the room for 5 minutes so she could see me turn red. They had it so I automatically got it every 2 hours and when I knew I had to have one more dose to show the nurse to prove it, I started crying. When she saw the effects... she looked like she was shocked. She shot me up full of Benadryl and I passed out :)

[LongKissGoodNite]

um YES. Though thats just me .. hydro was really really good to me .. and i hate myself for fucking it up for that goddamn bitch called oxycodone.

[resorcinol]

I should note that IV morphine does actually feel much different than oral (I've never shot myself up with it but I got it in the hospital when I had acute renal colic). It's fucking heavenly when IV'd but orally it's nothing special to me. I do in fact find oral hydrocodone better than oral morphine.

Pods are a bit different. Despite morphine being behind 90 or more percent of the opioid activity I find them more fun than plain oral morphine. Part of it is the duration of genuine opioid effects ... can be a full 24 hours with no tolerance, but that falls to 8 hours or so with a tolerance. Pills and H can fall to 2 hours with a tolerance though. The reduced duration that comes with tolerance is in some ways worse than the needing a higher dose thing.

Edit: BTW duckfeet, I did decide to stay (which is probably obvious enough from my activity but why not say it). I'm technically once again "not clean" anyway ... back on fentanyl for a few months. I didn't relapse, but there were other factors. It's a long story. So I'm kinda on the stuff again anyway, so why not stay. I might stay after this round of fent anyway too. I like you folks too much to leave.

[doctor diesel]

Edit: BTW duckfeet, I did decide to stay (which is probably obvious enough from my activity but why not say it).

Hooray to that. I'm sure there are plenty here who are grateful that you've changed your mind.
Nice to be loved? :)


Doc

[resorcinol]

Hooray to that. I'm sure there are plenty here who are grateful that you've changed your mind.
Nice to be loved? :)


Doc

Aw heck yeah it's nice to be loved. We all need a little love :)

'Phile is far from just a "drug board" ... we're a family and I don't want to leave the family at all! Right now I'm part of the actively opiated group now too thanks to being on the fent patch again, but I'm not gonna charge out the door when I'm off it again either. Opiophile's the only forum I've ever posted at that has the strong sense of one-ness between the residents that we experience ... one of a kind for sure.

[ndoftaworld]

I also prefer hydro's to morphine. I don't really LIKE norco's... but morphine either causes an allergic reaction like BP, or knocks my ass out, not helping the pain. And seeing how I'll probably be on these damn lil hydro/apap devils for awhile, might as well TRY to enjoy it.

Thinking about it... I've never really like morphine. It, of course, binds to the same receptors, but it's effects are just almost like damn toradol. The nurses probably give it in hopes of us shutting up and passing out.

*Sigh* guess it's time for a norco.... pisses me off she wouldn't even go to 7.5 or 10's :mad: But, I half vays of getting what I want. HAHAHA! Sorry, retard moment :P

Nd

[Restharrow]

Edit: BTW duckfeet, I did decide to stay (which is probably obvious enough from my activity but why not say it). I'm technically once again "not clean" anyway ... back on fentanyl for a few months. I didn't relapse, but there were other factors. It's a long story. So I'm kinda on the stuff again anyway, so why not stay. I might stay after this round of fent anyway too. I like you folks too much to leave.

You are one of my favorite posters. Glad you decided to stay on.

and on topic -- Morphine does not come close to the euphoria of hydrocodone. The best days of my life were the first 8 years on Hydro.

Will

[skeezerjohns22]

Morphine does nothing for me but keep the kicks away for a bit.. No euphoria, buzz, or even sedation.. I've tried ER's and the mscontin's and neither seem to "touch" my tolerance at all.. the only way that i can tell i've had some type of opi is the fact that i'm not sick anymore..:(

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Does anyone get very little or no buzz from oral morphine but gets floored on pods? My theory of why pods never worked for me was that oral morphine never did so must be the same with pods. I welcome any objections to this theory.

[ndoftaworld]

You are one of my favorite posters. Glad you decided to stay on.

Will

Ditto!! Rock on man!!

Nd

[losangeleslifer]

Exactly,the IV amps are a totally different beast compared to er morphine caps or pills.

Hey handmesomeopiates,enjoy the norcos.Wish I could get high off that sort of thing-I really do.

For fucking sure.

Not to get into the bioavailibilty argument/sentement.

But yea.

15-20 mg of iv via amp is bliss.

Morhpine is a tricky little bastard with it's rewards.

[barbiegal]

I concur HMSO. Morphine makes me depressed and lethargic while hydro gives me a nice euphoria. So yeah,I'm with you. I'll take the Norco thankyouverymuch;)

[Woody Bear]

I've had to stop taking codeine because it makes me irritable all the time now. So I started taking morphine instead. I plugged 20 mg (from 2x 10 mg instant release Sevradol tablets), and I didn't even feel high. It took my headache away, and I did start fumbling things, so I was definitely altered, but no euphoria to speak of.

I even started feeling a little pissed off, as I only use opiates once a week, and I'd like to be able to get high on a very small dose, but the morphine didn't give me the euphoria that my 90 mg codeine dose used to.

However, the effects did last quite a long time, I plugged it at 8 pm and at 4 am, after taking 3 mg melatonin and laying in bed, I noticed that with my eye's closed everything started morphing and changing, so I was definitely still "high", but there wasn't the euphoria I was expecting which was very dissappointing.

Actually it felt quite similar to codeine, although I didn't get the fuzzy headed, overbearing pressure and irritability that codeine has been quite consistent in giving.

[Larkin]

I think it also depends on what your main doc is too, when i started w opis, percs were my choice. And norcos are obviously very similar. when i finally ended up shooting h, i enjoyed the high from IV Morph way more than i did when i was taking percs, and when i was having vein trouble i would eat it and still liked it more. I think its because the high was similar to H. I personally think morphine and ESPECIALLY heroin are both acquired tastes. when i first relapsed I did 2 bags of mediocre shit and i was puking and asking myself why i liked it so much. But if i take a handful of vics/percs I would be in heaven.