Goddamn Tolerance!

[EleusisII]

K, fellow Opiophiles... I was hoping we could put our heads together and think of some sort of solution here.
My tolerance has gotten ridiculous... If I'm not careful, I can easily go through 15 OC40ies a day... If I apply all the little willpower I have, I can get by on ten a day. 3 pills four times a day.
Needless to say, I'm pretty damn tired of a script of 60 lasting me 4-6 days, so my tolerance has to be lowered... Any ideas? Would taking a break help?

[Ickyuck]

Taking a break? Yes. ;)

[chopstix]

"Diminishing returns" - get used to it, because we all deal with it. Potentiators work pretty well for me for keeping tolerance down, but they can bring on even more tolerance issues.. You can take breaks with kratom or loperimide, or use lightly for a few days but ya, tolerance is a constant struggle..

And for me at least, I think OC sucks.. Not saying you should move on to something stronger, but I never held that stuff in very high regard compared to what I'm used to..

[Princess]

I feel you, Eleusis. I'm just about in the same boat... a little higher actually. It sucks. I'm currently on a week and a half break. I've done this before with not-so-good results. By the time I refill, it will be 2 weeks off.

After my last week long "break" the first time I dosed was great! After that..... right back where I had been before. All I know is it SUCKS. :(

[Pandora]

I actually have quite a few good ideas.

1. Taper your dose down and just try to "maintain" for a while, try to get as low as you possibly can. A little less painful than taking a real, full break. I'm sure there are people ;) who would be willing to help you with this.

2. Switch back over to Morphine for a bit. I know you can make those last you longer.

I had some more but I forgot them. Maybe I'll remember them if you can make the time to talk to me later tonight.

Love,
Pandora

[mikey5string]

i find that when you have access to a lot you tend to take what you want, not what you need.
try taking 2 at a time 4 times a day. or 2.5.

thats a fat habit and its "taking a break" is probably not an option at this point unless you want to be in agony and i dont see that lasting very long. specially if you got access to pills.

so try what i heard referred to as the "staggered taper". go as loooong as you can and then take as little as you can. i call this the "long and little plan"..well, actually thats the first time ive ever called it that. i just thought of it.:rolleyes:

[nick]

Yeah,you could try changing opiates,but the best(only) option is to cut down.Sucks,but it's not a conspiracy,it's how it is for all of us.

[taj]

i find that when you have access to a lot you tend to take what you want, not what you need.

so try what i heard referred to as the "staggered taper". go as loooong as you can and then take as little as you can. i call this the "long and little plan"..well, actually thats the first time ive ever called it that. i just thought of it.:rolleyes:

yup, try to wait between dosing until you start to feel not so great, then take just enough so you arent feeling sick.

the hard part is sticking to the plan, especially when you have a bottle of pills staring at you. believe me I know, it sucks.

good luck...

[chemiKalz]

When I started dosing twice a day to get really ripped I thought nothing of it. Now I have to dose twice a day if not more just to feel normal, it fucking blows but its part of the life ya know? I too can easily go through way to much way to fast and still not even get high...pisses me off. I have an insane tolerance, I guess thats what 3 years straight of long-actiing opiates do to you though right?

[Morfiend]

yup, try to wait between dosing until you start to feel not so great, then take just enough so you arent feeling sick.

the hard part is sticking to the plan, especially when you have a bottle of pills staring at you. believe me I know, it sucks.

good luck...

tolerance goes up... and up... and up...

and never seems to go back down in any sort of permanent way...

honestly the conclusion I've come to is that it takes as long as you've been taking your current doses to get back to your previous doses... or something like that... to really change anything you'd prolly have to cut down for like 2 months or something... I know that's how it works for me

GL

[duck]

Just do a little more every day for the rest of your life, problem solved.

[doctor diesel]

There is hope, man!
Recently I went from long-term smoking four baggies of H a day, to bupe maintenance for a few days. The doc put me on a dose of 8mg bupe, and at first that wasn't enough to hold me proper. While I wasn't sick exactly, I was sweaty, weak and didn't want to do anything, so that first day I trebled the bupe to 24mg.
The second day I felt fine on a double dose of 16mg, and by day three I'd stabilised myself on 8mg. I stuck with that comfortably (apart from the thoughts of H invading my mind every 15 minutes) for about ten days, then thought, "Fuck it - time for a treat". Of course I had to wait at least two and a half days for my system to clear sufficiently of bupe to be able to feel a good smoke of my DOC... and this is where it got interesting. It was actually three and a half days before I could score some H, so with mild WDs setting in at the two-and-a-half-day mark, I needed to take something to tide me over, something that wouldn't block. Tramadol is the way to go in this respect, and where, before, if I needed to maintain on trams for a day cos I couldn't get hold of my DOC, I needed 4x50mg to keep me functioning (but not totally comfortable), I found that after my ten or so days on bupe I only needed 2x50mg trams to feel just fine. Clearly, tolerance had decreased noticeably in that short time.
Then, when I got my DOC, I only needed to chase a little bit of one baggie to get where I wanted to be, where previously that would have necessitated heavy chuffing on the entire bag. So I've discovered something good, and established a new, cheaper lifestyle now, whereby for most of the time I run on bupe (and according to the "less-is-more-with-bupe" rule" I'm now perfectly fine on 4mg daily), and every three or four - maybe more - days I enjoy a nice smoke of literally just a couple of bags - which I find now go a long way.
So I feel I've achieved the impossible: I've gone from uncontrolled daily junkie to laid-back CHIPPER, and it's cheap, enjoyable, and feels real good, man! So if someone like me can do this, I believe you also can re-regulate yourself without any real pain - providing, that is, you can get hold of bupe, or something that'll do the same job.
Can you?

(Sorry that was so long, but I hope others can find encouragement in it).

Doc Diesel

[duck]

I think you must weigh in the costs of long term bupe usage when considering adding it to a "chipping" oxy/heroin habit. I sure hate my bupe monkey more than my heroin monkey.

[seven10kids]

i havent really gone longer than 12 hrs without anything for like 3 years,,, sucks to get a big tolerance, when it takes you 5 and SO 5 80mg ocs a day shit adds up, even with the once a month script there are till the occasional day with nothing to wake up too, but even after a half day i can feel a 40mgs more. you have to let the meds leave your body somewhat.

gone are the days i would get an 80 for the week and be set.....:(

[Papa Verine]

It's my number one arch nemesis. Fuckin tolerance...

[lib.sOCialist]

There is hope, man!
Recently I went from long-term smoking four baggies of H a day, to bupe maintenance for a few days. The doc put me on a dose of 8mg bupe, and at first that wasn't enough to hold me proper. While I wasn't sick exactly, I was sweaty, weak and didn't want to do anything, so that first day I trebled the bupe to 24mg.
The second day I felt fine on a double dose of 16mg, and by day three I'd stabilised myself on 8mg. I stuck with that comfortably (apart from the thoughts of H invading my mind every 15 minutes) for about ten days, then thought, "Fuck it - time for a treat". Of course I had to wait at least two and a half days for my system to clear sufficiently of bupe to be able to feel a good smoke of my DOC... and this is where it got interesting. It was actually three and a half days before I could score some H, so with mild WDs setting in at the two-and-a-half-day mark, I needed to take something to tide me over, something that wouldn't block. Tramadol is the way to go in this respect, and where, before, if I needed to maintain on trams for a day cos I couldn't get hold of my DOC, I needed 4x50mg to keep me functioning (but not totally comfortable), I found that after my ten or so days on bupe I only needed 2x50mg trams to feel just fine. Clearly, tolerance had decreased noticeably in that short time.
Then, when I got my DOC, I only needed to chase a little bit of one baggie to get where I wanted to be, where previously that would have necessitated heavy chuffing on the entire bag. So I've discovered something good, and established a new, cheaper lifestyle now, whereby for most of the time I run on bupe (and according to the "less-is-more-with-bupe" rule" I'm now perfectly fine on 4mg daily), and every three or four - maybe more - days I enjoy a nice smoke of literally just a couple of bags - which I find now go a long way.
So I feel I've achieved the impossible: I've gone from uncontrolled daily junkie to laid-back CHIPPER, and it's cheap, enjoyable, and feels real good, man! So if someone like me can do this, I believe you also can re-regulate yourself without any real pain - providing, that is, you can get hold of bupe, or something that'll do the same job.
Can you?

(Sorry that was so long, but I hope others can find encouragement in it).

Doc Diesel

lol...tell me the same thing in 3-5weeks when bupe has shot your tolerance to the orbital pattern of saturns 3rd fucking moon...

[doctor diesel]

lol...tell me the same thing in 3-5weeks when bupe has shot your tolerance to the orbital pattern of saturns 3rd fucking moon...


I don't think that's going to happen, because I take the smallest amount I can get away with, only take the stuff every two and a half days rather than daily -as I'm supposed to - and that's when I'm not chipping back on my DOC. Plus I'm winding the dose downward as rapidly as I can without suffering.
So I'm not letting bupe become a goddam silverback gorilla perched on my shoulders, although I suspect my doctor's plan is for just that.


Doc

[lib.sOCialist]

K, fellow Opiophiles... I was hoping we could put our heads together and think of some sort of solution here.
My tolerance has gotten ridiculous... If I'm not careful, I can easily go through 15 OC40ies a day... If I apply all the little willpower I have, I can get by on ten a day. 3 pills four times a day.
Needless to say, I'm pretty damn tired of a script of 60 lasting me 4-6 days, so my tolerance has to be lowered... Any ideas? Would taking a break help?



thats 12 good buddy, not 10...

junkies = mathematicians

[duck]

I don't think that's going to happen, because I take the smallest amount I can get away with, only take the stuff every two and a half days rather than daily -as I'm supposed to - and that's when I'm not chipping back on my DOC. Plus I'm winding the dose downward as rapidly as I can without suffering.
So I'm not letting bupe become a goddam silverback gorilla perched on my shoulders, although I suspect my doctor's plan is for just that.


Doc


I truly hope you can continue keeping the bupe at once every 2.5 days....I really do. I wish I would've...though I have my doubts that even 2.5 days can keep you from getting a gorilla.

[EleusisII]

Thanks for all your brilliant insightful advice...

I'm up to 5 40ies three times a day. Any useful suggestions?

[nick]

Thanks for all your brilliant insightful advice...

I'm up to 5 40ies three times a day. Any useful suggestions?

Rehab.

[EleusisII]

Yeah I might... Once my WDs get back. Thank god its little byond feeling pretty shitty and a runny nose.
Beyond that?

[nick]

EleusisII[/LEFT];420750]Yeah I might... Once my
WDs get back. Thank god its little
byond feeling pretty shitty and a runny nose.
Beyond that?

I was kinda joking,but you're getting more and more into it and as you do your options
diminish.

[Synack]

Thanks for all your brilliant insightful advice...

I'm up to 5 40ies three times a day. Any useful suggestions?

Taper down, switch to tramadol, stay clean for a bit if you can, then chip...

[hydro chris]

K, fellow Opiophiles... I was hoping we could put our heads together and think of some sort of solution here.
My tolerance has gotten ridiculous... If I'm not careful, I can easily go through 15 OC40ies a day... If I apply all the little willpower I have, I can get by on ten a day. 3 pills four times a day.
Needless to say, I'm pretty damn tired of a script of 60 lasting me 4-6 days, so my tolerance has to be lowered... Any ideas? Would taking a break help?
good question..nothin but the basics here,
i would also like to know of some new tricks..

[digby]

Thanks for all your brilliant insightful advice...

I'm up to 5 40ies three times a day. Any useful suggestions?


This kind of habit from the person that was just screaming that all americans were disgustingly all over-opiated by doctors in one of the current threads? And then you act all insulting and shit to people that took the time to respond to your question with sound advice? Not so cool.

The only magic bullet that makes tolerance go away without some self discipline is fired from a barrel, but it is not recommended. Trying to find a way to keep taking the quantity that you are taking and have your tolerance magically lower itself is not living in reality. Everyone that has reduced their tolerance has either had to taper for a time or to quit for a time - there is no other working solution currently.

[chopstix]

So I've discovered something good, and established a new, cheaper lifestyle now, whereby for most of the time I run on bupe (and according to the "less-is-more-with-bupe" rule" I'm now perfectly fine on 4mg daily), and every three or four - maybe more - days I enjoy a nice smoke of literally just a couple of bags - which I find now go a long way.
So I feel I've achieved the impossible: I've gone from uncontrolled daily junkie to laid-back CHIPPER, and it's cheap, enjoyable, and feels real good, man!

As Duck pointed out, be careful - there's no free ride in this game. Bup is really good at giving off the impression it's a free ride, but it's really an illusion. Took me two months to get off .5-1mg/day with a little dope here-and-there. I actually dropped the bup and did a blind MD taper, as tapering on bup doesn't work so well for most...


This kind of habit from the person that was just screaming that all americans were disgustingly all over-opiated by doctors in one of the current threads? And then you act all insulting and shit to people that took the time to respond to your question with sound advice? Not so cool.


Digby meet Barney; Barney, Digby.

Barney likes attention and he's got a troll rig all set up..

[Swellin]

Live at home? got a girl friend or anyone who wont jack your pills give them to that person tell them to give you a cretin amount and be done with it thats what i did and 90% of the time im not short unless i get desperate and sneaky and steal my own pills haha but that rarely happens so for the past 5 months i haven't had to go more then a day or two with out my meds.

[EleusisII]

Barney likes attention and he's got a troll rig all set up..

Pfft...

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4039&stc=1&d=1253778056

THEY HATIN!

[EleusisII]

This kind of habit from the person that was just screaming that all americans were disgustingly all over-opiated by doctors in one of the current threads?

Eh, hate to point out the obvious, but duhh, I'm a junkie! And what exactly does one junkies OC habit have to do with Americans being overprescribed?
(Besides obviously benefiting from said doctors?)

[doctor diesel]

As Duck pointed out, be careful - there's no free ride in this game. Bup is really good at giving off the impression it's a free ride, but it's really an illusion. Took me two months to get off .5-1mg/day with a little dope here-and-there. I actually dropped the bup and did a blind MD taper, as tapering on bup doesn't work so well for most...


I hear you, but I really don't see how a progressively reducing amount of bupe dosed only every two days and regularly broken by periods on my DOC can build to a gorilla on my back.
Sure, if I'm taking a constant 8 or 12mg daily for weeks on end then I can see tragedy waiting in the wings.
But otherwise....
But call me naive if you will.

Doc

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

OK, PERSONAL I HAVE , ER i LIKE THE IDEA of switch to morphine as suggested in previous post, or something that will keep you JUST well- but you don't really like. I am not a big fan of morphine. MScontin is good choice ,long legs.
gOT TO DUE IT FOR MONTHS AND THINK OF IT AS A DIET, eating celery to lost weight. you will use less . tolerance goes down

CAN YOU GET YOUR HANDS ON NUBAIN? (nalbuphine hydrochloride)
if so use that, got to spike- BUT must be into withdrawals before starting
used for months can dramatically decrease tolerance

Neither will be fun, but will work
GOOD LUCK MY FRIEND

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

[QUOTE=chopstix;420826]As Duck pointed out, be careful - there's no free ride in this game. Bup is really good at giving off the impression it's a free ride, but it's really an illusion. Took me two months to get off .5-1mg/day with a little dope here-and-there. I actually dropped the bup and did a blind MD taper, as tapering on bup doesn't work so well for most


I hear you, but I really don't see how a progressively reducing amount of bupe dosed only every two days and regularly broken by periods on my DOC can build to a gorilla on my back.
Sure, if I'm taking a constant 8 or 12mg daily for weeks on end then I can see tragedy waiting in the wings.
But otherwise....
But call me naive if you will....Doc

OKAY i don't understand your request but
"NAIVE IF YOU WILL"
I would rather just call you DOC

I breifly tell you why it would not work longterm, CAUSE SUBS Are VERY, VERY FUCKING WEIRD, NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD AND VERY VERY POWERFUL (just don't feel it).
CHOPSTIX CAN EXPLAIN BETTER THAN I,
I wish you best though , hope I am wrong, but gorilla is just napping

[doctor diesel]

[QUOTE=doctor diesel;420987]

OKAY i don't understand your request but
"NAIVE IF YOU WILL"
I would rather just call you DOC

I breifly tell you why it would not work longterm, CAUSE SUBS Are VERY, VERY FUCKING WEIRD, NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD AND VERY VERY POWERFUL (just don't feel it).
CHOPSTIX CAN EXPLAIN BETTER THAN I,
I wish you best though , hope I am wrong, but gorilla is just napping


What, you mean... like this?

[Duckfeet]

Cool fucking pic^^^lifted my morning spirits right up! :)

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

[QUOTE=GOLD N DIEMONDS;421013]


What, you mean... like this?

LMAO- man your funny, I REALLY need to smile- thanks

but YEAH KIND OF LIKE THAT- yours is very cute though:)
NOW he he (she) stays like that GREAT
IMHO if you can keep both down to as little as possible, maybe a day of a bit of pain even,here and there - that's your best chance.
It just is SUBS are so weird -peeps have done what your doing and it works fine for a month -2 months and the SNAP something happens (brain wiring?) and it just never the same again.
again GOOD LUCK, I'M PULLING FOR YOU
thanks for pic:D

[EleusisII]

OK, PERSONAL I HAVE , ER i LIKE THE IDEA of switch to morphine as suggested in previous post, or something that will keep you JUST well- but you don't really like. I am not a big fan of morphine. MScontin is good choice ,long legs.

Thanks buddy, I definetly like the long legs of morphine, only one problem. My tolerance for morphine is crazy high. To get where 4 40ies take me, I need 8-10 MSContin 60 mg... Now there are ways around that, could always go IV, though that's not really a long term solution, lol! Or plug em I guess.

OTOH Dilaudid might do the trick... I picked up some 4mgs the other day, and felt pretty good after railing three of them.

I guess I'm weird tolerance wise. My tolerance varies, not necessarily related to the drugs conversion-rate. Besides the morphine example, 100-120 mg of methadone still gets me pretty fucking high. Weird eh?

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Hey Eleusis- I don't know if you caught this post-My rapid detox with naltrexone
Jackie had some very good ideas suggestion in it .
bumped it up for you- hoping your well

or you could try Spork method in it- though i would rather scrub my eyeball with STEEL WOOL than go through Sporks method- but hey good ideas in it