Controversial - First speedball recommended doses?

[bigfootlives]

I'm betting that this thread will cause a lot of you to attempt to talk me out of this considering this is a harm reduction site and all. The thing is I have always pushed the limits of what my body can and can not handle not only with drugs but sports/stunts and soo far I'm fine, soo now I must find the and most likely final level of high. Anyways i will be using morphine instead of heroin. So basically I'm wondering what the dose of each drug in the mix should be. As in what my dose of morphine in mg and how many points of a gram of coke i should USe for my first and possible only speedball hit. As for my tolerance my biggest hit of morphine that I've done and have done a few times is 120mg and that rocks my world. I'm even pretty contempt with only 90 mg of morphine straight to the vein soo my tolerance isnt too high I don't think anyways.

As for my guess of a relatively safe yet flooring dose i was thinking ohhh i unno maybe like 45 mg of morphine mixed with an eight gram of coke 0.125 grams?

[poonwhalla]

you are right a lot of people are going to tell you not to do it, myself included. But since you are so badass and like to push limits blah blah blah I would recommend that you do less then what you think is a safe dose. Reason being is that you can always take more you can't take less.

I can't help you with measurements because anytime I did a sb it was with H and coke and I never had a scale in front of me. I usually would do my normal dose of H and sprinkle a small bump on top of the shot after I cooked the tar. I wouldn't do as I did since that is what got me a nice 7 day stay in a hospital and $75,000 in bills for the stay. Oh yeah and you may want to talk about how your friend Michael Phelps (you know the pro SWIMmer) is going to be doing stupid, life threatening illegal shit in the future, for your and this sites protection. Well be safe man.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Fuck that.

I say that if you have good veins, ie you won't miss, if you have a good tolerance for dope and you have done a few eightballs of coke in your life... and you are cautious... (erring on the side of caution).... then mix that shit and blast off. The rush is incomparable. Here's my caveat, though... make it an experiential/holiday thing... you don't want that monkey chewin your neck. And have a friend on hand.

Mix your regular shot... and then put in a dime-sized to half dime-sized amount of coke... two points maybe? it should just dissolve, no more heat needed. Careful. But I think you'll be fine.

D

[More Feen]

Agreeing with other posts here:

For your first time, you should err on the side of caution and use a quarter (25%, or less) of what you think would be a reasonable dose.

If it is too weak and doesn't "rock your world" than you can use that first dose as a baseline for future injections.

If that first dose (25%) has unexpected effects (more than you were expecting), than you might be happy you did not use the entire 100% you were planning.

Not intending to be preachy, but moderation has many, many benefits. For several reasons, speedballs have taken too many lives. Keep this in mind, and you could be occasionally slamming S-balls well into your 70's & 80's.

Letting those hooks dig deep into your soul/psyche could drastically reduce your lifespan.

M F

[clonaze-whammed]

The thing is I have always pushed the limits of what my body can and can not handle not only with drugs but sports/stunts and soo far I'm fine, soo now I must find the and most likely final level of high.

so explain to us what happens if you push your body too far with the speedball?

you'd be better off fucking up one of your stunts and wrecking your nutsack, then getting it wrong on this particular misadventure.

[dharma bum]

Hey bigfoot, I didn't know michael phelps was your pal. Does he speedball too? I know he smokes the herb but that's a whole new ballgame.
I haven't done speedballs per say. Done a coke shot followed by oxy shot followed by coke shot ad nauseum. I just know they're deadly--one part of the war on drugs that isn't embellished or straight up made up. So yeah, start low. Please and thank you.

^^^ oh clanaze-whammed, I'm sure you were being facetious but when you push your body too far with a speedball you take a verrrry long nap. The dirt kind.

[poonwhalla]

Fuck that.

I say that if you have good veins, ie you won't miss, if you have a good tolerance for dope and you have done a few eightballs of coke in your life... and you are cautious... (erring on the side of caution).... then mix that shit and blast off. The rush is incomparable. Here's my caveat, though... make it an experiential/holiday thing... you don't want that monkey chewin your neck. And have a friend on hand.

Mix your regular shot... and then put in a dime-sized to half dime-sized amount of coke... two points maybe? it should just dissolve, no more heat needed. Careful. But I think you'll be fine.

D

That is pretty crappy and irresponsible advice to give to a young kid that has been posting about the reckless and dangerous behaviors he has been up to recently. Even though the kid is going to do what he is going to do I am not going to sit here and say in a slipshod way "oh yeah dude if you done coke before you should blast off dat speedball, you should be fine". I would rather urge him not to do it because of how dangerous it is.

[ryan]

I've never had a problem w/ speedballs myself -- but I don't do insane amounts of coke either..
I usually do one 20bag of coke per speedball shot, and maybe put in like 5 or 6 bags of dope (I have a very high tolerance to opiates)..

But from the other thread it sounds like you have an issue with doing too much coke...so start small with like a dimebag or something then work your way up..

BTW has anyone read about those cocaine analogues that are like 10x strength and 10x longer lasting as well? I'd *LOVE* to get my hands on something like that...my biggest problem w/ coke is that it goes away so fast...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_analogues

The one i am thinking about is called CFT I believe
Troparil (CPT) is interesting as well...before I die I gotta try some of that

[Duckfeet]

We used to hit hospital drugstores in the south, and speedball days and nights away, and I survived'em, but as pw says, we'd be chickenshit if we didn't point out the fact that people often miscalculate and die, as the rush of a speedball really does take your body from the coke train ride, right back down to the junky nod...and I don't know what it is, but speedballs just seem to necessitate "pushing it" to near death...

I guess it's a little like tying a noose around yer neck and yer nuts and swinging around: you always wanna push it a little closer to the "uh oh" point...:hanged:;)

But in any case, you're savvy enough to know that even if we *wanted to* how on earth could we tell you how "much" to use...I've never met anyone who could accurately tell me how much of *either* of these two dangerous drugs to use, much less both...

Nobody would talk me out of shit, and I certainly wouldn't try to do that to you, but we can't pretend this shit isn't *really* dangerous, for obvious reasons: you're doubling your chances of checking out... *but* we want to keep *site* alive, regardless of how far you push it, and if we started saying "Yay, speedballs, do a *bunch* of'em and you'll *really* like it!" then this site wouldn't last...

Read up on how John Belushi bought it...

[clonaze-whammed]

Hey bigfoot, I didn't know michael phelps was your pal. Does he speedball too? I know he smokes the herb but that's a whole new ballgame.
I haven't done speedballs per say. Done a coke shot followed by oxy shot followed by coke shot ad nauseum. I just know they're deadly--one part of the war on drugs that isn't embellished or straight up made up. So yeah, start low. Please and thank you.

^^^ oh clanaze-whammed, I'm sure you were being facetious but when you push your body too far with a speedball you take a verrrry long nap. The dirt kind.

Yeah, didnt mean to sound like a dick, its just that the OP is justifying this move with previous invincibility when pushing the body to the limit.

I reckon if you're gonna speedball you should at least display some caution, and a healthy amount of apprehension.

[upstate_007]

I was a speedballer for a few years. Loved it. And hated it. Even when I "knew what I was doing" I ended up looking like a smurf in the ER.

Be careful.

[nick]

Fuck that.

I say that if you have good veins, ie you won't miss, if you have a good tolerance for dope and you have done a few eightballs of coke in your life... and you are cautious... (erring on the side of caution).... then mix that shit and blast off. The rush is incomparable. Here's my caveat, though... make it an experiential/holiday thing... you don't want that monkey chewin your neck. And have a friend on hand.

Mix your regular shot... and then put in a dime-sized to half dime-sized amount of coke... two points maybe? it should just dissolve, no more heat needed. Careful. But I think you'll be fine.

D

Jesus,just jesus.Some total dumbness here.

Oh and Bigfoot,be careful.Folks with your attitude can end up having a really bad "experience."

and by the by,personally,I don't really rate speedballs highly.I much prefer to shoot the C then shoot the H when I run out of C.

[Morphus]

I suppose if it was a "one off" typa thing thing a speedball would be alright but who ever does just one hit of coke? I was never that impressed with Sballs, but IV coke is extremely intense. I have read, that the thing that makes speedballs so dangerous, is that H suppresses respiration, and when the coke wears off after initially stimulating respiration, it too slows breathing, so you get the synergy between the two drugs acting to slow your breathing, I've felt it, it's scary.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

That is pretty crappy and irresponsible advice to give to a young kid that has been posting about the reckless and dangerous behaviors he has been up to recently. Even though the kid is going to do what he is going to do I am not going to sit here and say in a slipshod way "oh yeah dude if you done coke before you should blast off dat speedball, you should be fine". I would rather urge him not to do it because of how dangerous it is.

Jesus,just jesus.Some total dumbness here.

Oh and Bigfoot,be careful.Folks with your attitude can end up having a really bad "experience."

and by the by,personally,I don't really rate speedballs highly.I much prefer to shoot the C then shoot the H when I run out of C.

You guys may think it's total dumbness, but I'll tell ta, I don't think any amount of 'harm reduction' rhetoric is gonna stop this dude from blasting off. And if you notice from my post, I offered several caveats that would help to reduce his risk... I mean, how else did the rest of us start or try a speedball? By going, 'fuck what you heard, I am doin this bitch.' There is plenty of literature, propaganda, adverts etc telling folks to NEVER EVER do it, but let's get realistic here, we don't listen to that shit. I highly doubt anything we say is going to sway him either way, and it's ultimately his decision to make, considering he has the best info on his own system and how he gets down.

I stand by what I said. I certainly think he should lay off, but how hollow would that sound coming from the likes of me (us)?? I mean, let's look at the total situation, not just what you think of as 'dumbness' or 'irresponsibility'. The irresponsible one would be the OP. Period. I offer simple advice with warnings that mesh with how I would think of it; how I have thought of it. If that makes me dumb, so be it.

Everything in moderation... including moderation.

D

[nick]

You guys may think it's total dumbness, but I'll tell ta, I don't think any amount of 'harm reduction' rhetoric is gonna stop this dude from blasting off. And if you notice from my post, I offered several caveats that would help to reduce his risk... I mean, how else did the rest of us start or try a speedball? By going, 'fuck what you heard, I am doin this bitch.' There is plenty of literature, propaganda, adverts etc telling folks to NEVER EVER do it, but let's get realistic here, we don't listen to that shit. I highly doubt anything we say is going to sway him either way, and it's ultimately his decision to make, considering he has the best info on his own system and how he gets down.

I stand by what I said. I certainly think he should lay off, but how hollow would that sound coming from the likes of me (us)?? I mean, let's look at the total situation, not just what you think of as 'dumbness' or 'irresponsibility'. The irresponsible one would be the OP. Period. I offer simple advice with warnings that mesh with how I would think of it; how I have thought of it. If that makes me dumb, so be it.

Everything in moderation... including moderation.

D

Man,weather someone's gonna do something or not is NO excuse for giving them poor council.Go back read your post.You may not have meant to,but you actually appear to encourage him.Plus on a more practical note how do you know how pure the coke he has actually is?If you'd given him and h to c ratio and told him to be careful.....that would have been fair enough.

Harm reduction is all about explaining the risks and THEN giving the safest information possible and if,because of your lifestyle,you don't feel comfortable doing this.........keep your mouth shut.

[God_Albino]

uppers amplify opiates to a retarded degree with my personal metabolism or whatever, unless you only got a tiny bit of shit youll always be able to do a bigger one, a tiny ass test shot as a benchmark is the only semi-intelligent way to go about this

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Man,weather someone's gonna do something or not is NO excuse for giving them poor council.Go back read your post.You may not have meant to,but you actually appear to encourage him.Plus on a more practical note how do you know how pure the coke he has actually is?If you'd given him and h to c ratio and told him to be careful.....that would have been fair enough.

Harm reduction is all about explaining the risks and THEN giving the safest information possible and if,because of your lifestyle,you don't feel comfortable doing this.........keep your mouth shut.

Unfortunately, 'keeping my mouth shut' is not really gonna happen. I understand where you are coming from, nick, and I don't resent your admittedly abrasive reaction, but I think my 'advice' was rather mild considering the horrendous shit that folks (I) do. I counseled moderation and erring on the side of caution. If he couldn't handle that, he would not be alive, most likely, considering his (our) tendencies. And I would not think to offer anything but the most general ratio, considering that he knows his supply/system the best.

I just think that warning him off of it categorically is hypocritical and absurd, considering the context, and offering safety advice (moderation, caution) is the best we (I) am gonna do. JUST SAY NO really didn't make the fucken cut, y'know?

I hope there are no hard feelings on your side; there certainly are none here. I get your point, I just disagree with us (me) offering 'abstinence' advice. You noticed the amount of IF's in my post, yes?

I repeat, nothing we say will sway him either way; the choice is his and ever will be. Regardless. He as much as said he was doing it already, so that 'battle' is already lost.

One more thing: Had this been a 'should I IV my drugs for the first time' thread, I would warn them off in no uncertain terms. As I have done in the past. This was not a 'should I' thread, but a 'how should I' thread... and there is a big difference.

D

[nick]

Unfortunately, 'keeping my mouth shut' is not really gonna happen. I understand where you are coming from, nick, and I don't resent your admittedly abrasive reaction, but I think my 'advice' was rather mild considering the horrendous shit that folks (I) do. I counseled moderation and erring on the side of caution. If he couldn't handle that, he would not be alive, most likely, considering his (our) tendencies. And I would not think to offer anything but the most general ratio, considering that he knows his supply/system the best.

I just think that warning him off of it categorically is hypocritical and absurd, considering the context, and offering safety advice (moderation, caution) is the best we (I) am gonna do. JUST SAY NO really didn't make the fucken cut, y'know?

I hope there are no hard feelings on your side; there certainly are none here. I get your point, I just disagree with us (me) offering 'abstinence' advice. You noticed the amount of IF's in my post, yes?

I repeat, nothing we say will sway him either way; the choice is his and ever will be. Regardless. He as much as said he was doing it already, so that 'battle' is already lost.

One more thing: Had this been a 'should I IV my drugs for the first time' thread, I would warn them off in no uncertain terms. As I have done in the past. This was not a 'should I' thread, but a 'how should I' thread... and there is a big difference.

D

No hard feelings at all,D and,trust me,I totally agree that abstinence advice is totally counter productive.As I said,harm reduction is all about firstly pointing out the dangers then giving safe advice allowing folks to make an informed choice.

[HistoryofMadness]

blow your brains out, push little daisies.

be careful.

[edhorfin]

If you shoot coke regularly, then in the interest of harm reduction, my advice would be to shoot your coke until its almost all gone....multiple speedballs is wasteful, IMO....Add the H to you last shot of coke, so that the comedown is pleasant from the coke....

BTW, if you have dilaudid, speedballs are unbelievably hard to stop doing...you end up with coke left and nothing to help bring you down...or dead...

You meet lots of people who shoot coke, and lots of people who shoot dope, but not lots of speedballers.....theres a reason for this...

[ryan5892]

You meet lots of people who shoot coke, and lots of people who shoot dope, but not lots of speedballers.....theres a reason for this...


well said.