GHB experiences and dosage advice sought

[chopstix]

I know asking for dosage suggestions on a web forum for liquid G is dangerous, and that I need to take the responses lightly. I came across a bit of liquid and this is a first for me, I've had 1,4B before, but never straight G.

Unfortunately, I don't know the exact amount in the liquid, I was told the quality was good but not stellar, I tasted just a drop and it's quite salty, which is a good sign I think..

I consider myself pretty well aware of the very steep dose/response curve and that mixing with other sedatives can be *very* dangerous, and I really plan to use a lot of caution with this stuff..

Some that know me here know that I struggle with really severe insomnia (recently diagnosed with central, non-obstructive apnea; first sleep study showed, on average, 65 awakenings per hour with 0 time in stage 3/4 restorative sleep, second study was a little better but still not great - the problem is erratic but attacks are crippling and I feel they're slowly causing damage) and I'm considering pursuing treatment with Xyrem, even though it's off label at this point for insomnia although some seem to be getting it anyway. Xyrem is GHB, no different except that it's fucking stupid expensive, like $300+ a month and I don't have insurance..

Anyway, ya, take it slow.. Especially as I'm trying this as a potential sleep aid which means finding the line that gets me asleep, but not in a coma..

So I'm interested in others' experiences with this stuff - has it ever knocked you out? Without anything else in the mix? How much did you take and what do you weigh? Any tell-tale signs to watch out for?? *ANY* info appreciated and if you do have something noteworthy, knowing what you weigh would be helpful..

A "recreational" dose at this mix is one tsp, so that's where I'll start and increments from there (if needed) will be very small. I tend to drink daily but fully plan to stay away from the sauce with this stuff. I'm also habituated to Valium (in the evening for sleep) and usually .5-1mg of ativan in the evenings. I've read that some docs actually prescribe Valium or Kpin with Xyrem to help counter the extremely short half life and the tendency for patients to wake up in the middle of the night from not only the drug wearing off, but an HGH surge and I believe also a dopamine rebound.. Having to re-dose in the middle of the night seems like a drag, but aside from that, something that guarantees restorative sleep and causes the body to produce HGH sounds almost too good to be true, and additionally, it's virtually non-toxic (as long as you don't OD) - it's produced naturally in the body and metabolizes into C02 and water.. It makes alcohol and benzos (my current knock-out cocktail of "choice" and not helping my already severe memory problems) seem like using blunt-force trauma in comparison for insomnia..

Thoughts? Experiences??

[Raz]

bro i wish i had sumfin to contribute....

I always see chop online in da early fukin hrs, so if anyone can help him out wiv some good genuine info, dis guy fuckin needs it....

[Seedy]

I think you're on the right track, i'd buy an oral syringe if i were you for accuracy, you'll probably find about 6mls would do the trick (assuming it's pure). and a long acting benzo to counteract and the dopamine rebound thing sounds solid. When I had a supply I'd wake up about 3-4 hours after a knockout dose, wake up feeling like i'd just taken a small hit of meth! I do suffer insomnia but nowhere near as severe as yours, thank god, so I'd assume it wouldn't keep you down as long as it did for me. Good luck man, you sound like you know what you're doing, I hope it works out!

[Morphus]

Sorry no experience with GHB. Where the fuck was I when you could get the shit at any health food store? And after that, where was I when you could get the shit on the net? From all acounts this stuff would be a great sleep tonic, another thought, I also apparently missed the easy availability of GBL, disguised as "nail polish remover" as well. Someone has to have done tons of this shit as it was everywhere 10 years ago.

[chopstix]

I think you're on the right track, i'd buy an oral syringe if i were you for accuracy, you'll probably find about 6mls would do the trick (assuming it's pure). and a long acting benzo to counteract and the dopamine rebound thing sounds solid. When I had a supply I'd wake up about 3-4 hours after a knockout dose, wake up feeling like i'd just taken a small hit of meth! I do suffer insomnia but nowhere near as severe as yours, thank god, so I'd assume it wouldn't keep you down as long as it did for me. Good luck man, you sound like you know what you're doing, I hope it works out!

Thanks. 6mls seems about right, I was using the google calculator and not getting consistent answers on how many mls in a teaspoon; eventually figured it out (4.9 and verified against a 1cc syringe) and started with 5ml last night, after about 45 minutes and a big, happy smile, I took 10mg valium and nodded out with the laptop open.

Slept about 4 hours and then woke up and took another 6mls. Within half hour I was nice and sleepy again - not like stumbling around, just a really comfortable, warm fuzzy buzz (I can see why they consider this a "pro-sex" drug, it would be a lot of fun to take a small amount with a good friend :) ) and slept another 4hrs without anymore benzos. I could easily see this stuff replacing my current regimen.

If anyone isn't aware of the benefits of this "drug" (some consider it a nutrient, by nature it is a precursor and a natural metabolite in the brain), a good read on GHB is in Smart Drugs II (Morgenthaler/Joy), this is bit dated but accurate for the time, I think it was written about 1990 and both I and II are really good books, with info on a lot of cognitive enhancement and life extension compounds.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/ghb_05.htm

[nick]

Yeah,GHB is pretty benign-if used right,but it's worth noting tolerance does develop and it's said to be psychologically addictive.Maybe just use it when desperate for sleep.

[Seedy]

^^ like any gaba agonist it's fairly physically addictive too. similar to alcohol & benzos it does take a lot of solid use to get hooked, unlike opiates.

Thanks. 6mls seems about right, I was using the google calculator and not getting consistent answers on how many mls in a teaspoon; eventually figured it out (4.9 and verified against a 1cc syringe) and started with 5ml last night, after about 45 minutes and a big, happy smile, I took 10mg valium and nodded out with the laptop open.

Slept about 4 hours and then woke up and took another 6mls. Within half hour I was nice and sleepy again - not like stumbling around, just a really comfortable, warm fuzzy buzz (I can see why they consider this a "pro-sex" drug, it would be a lot of fun to take a small amount with a good friend :) ) and slept another 4hrs without anymore benzos. I could easily see this stuff replacing my current regimen. ..

Oh yeah sex on G is fucking awesome!

[ryan]

GHB is one of my favorite drugs...unfortunately I can't really offer any dosing recommendations because every time I got it I just took someone else's word for how much I should take...
I am about 190 lbs and over 6 foot tall and I have never even came close to OD'ing on it, and I've dosed maybe 3 times in one night..so my guess is that if you are a fairly big guy and an experienced user it would probably take alot to take you down to a full blown GHB overdose..

Every time I got it, it was in powdered form, and I would usually do 1 "gram" per dose..but again, I have no idea how much of this was cut and how much was actual GHB so...
What I would usually do is snort some and add the rest to a drink..

One thing to mention though is it's a bad idea combining it with other CNS dep's...esp alchol, even though that's probably obvious...ups the overdose likelyhood alot.

GHB gets such a bad rap because of the date rape garbage but really it's a cool drug.
Doesn't it make your muscles grow while you sleep or something?
It was legal for the longest time...don't really understand how it can be both schedule 1 and 3 at the same time..

I think GBL is still legal in the UK...but in the US I think all the ghb analogues and the like are now illegal...fuckin sucks...

I was reading up about Xyrem and it seems kind of weird that you have to get the pills directly from the Mfg (Jazz Pharma)...apparently pharmacies aren't allowed to carry it because it's so dangerous (this is something that was sold OTC 19 years ago!!)...it used to be very cheap as well, and as stix mentioned now even a single month's supply can start at 1500$...

If GHB works for you and you can legally score some GBL I would definitely go that route (even though it's illegal in US there are some sites that will ship it here from other countries...)
Fuck big pharma \ FDA \ us government and their bizarre scheduling system.
I thought paying 500$ a month for suboxone was bad, but jeezus, 1500$ a month just to be able to sleep?
How can the SAME EXACT CHEMICAL be legally classified as having NO medical use -- and still be available for prescription from a doctor?

[chopstix]

One thing to mention though is it's a bad idea combining it with other CNS dep's...esp alchol, even though that's probably obvious...ups the overdose likelyhood alot.

Interesting reason being is that they both compete for the same liver enzymes, so while your liver is chugging back all that vodka, the G is sitting in limbo.. Then you're all hammered and the liver starts working on the G, because of the delayed effect people sometimes take more, or it takes awhile before it all gets processed and then you're suddenly unconscious, and hopefully breathing.. That's my kinda thin understanding of why G and alcohol are an especially bad combo..


GHB gets such a bad rap because of the date rape garbage but really it's a cool drug.
Doesn't it make your muscles grow while you sleep or something?
It was legal for the longest time...don't really understand how it can be both schedule 1 and 3 at the same time..Alcohol is the most widely used "date rape" drug, pisses me off that the media makes such a huge deal about it when it has therapeutic value and is really such a simple and safe compound if used with care. Kinda like cars and guns..

I dunno about buffing out while asleep, but I wouldn't be surprised, bodybuilders love the shit and I don't see how anyone could do more than a rep or two before the shit really started to kick in.


I was reading up about Xyrem and it seems kind of weird that you have to get the pills directly from the Mfg (Jazz Pharma)...apparently pharmacies aren't allowed to carry it because it's so dangerous (this is something that was sold OTC 19 years ago!!)...it used to be very cheap as well, and as stix mentioned now even a single month's supply can start at 1500$...Better not be 1500, where'd you read that? I thought more like 3-400 which is still a total ripoff for ~5grams/day (two 2.5g doses).


Fuck big pharma \ FDA \ us government and their bizarre scheduling system.
I thought paying 500$ a month for suboxone was bad, but jeezus, 1500$ a month just to be able to sleep?
How can the SAME EXACT CHEMICAL be legally classified as having NO medical use -- and still be available for prescription from a doctor?Word.

We're all illegal, ghb is contained in every cell of our bodies, it exists in most if not all mammals too, so we should all be in prison with all the dogs and cats and other furry little critters running around everywhere. Were all fucking schedule 1!!

Id10ts.

What a fucking amazing hypnotic though, the come on is golden, and most times I was asleep in 45 minutes. Not really very restful sleep though, I don't know if I wasn't taking enough or what; the best sleep I got was actually on 4ml (after I felt like I was getting a bit of a tolerance) but I had been sleeping like shit for days so hard to tell. Absolutely 0 problems with sleep latency though, shit knocks me flat-the-fuck out at 6mls. Bam.

At one point I decided to take 5ml during the day and then burn down a fatty of some crunchy sparkly tips I have, so I dosed, burned the j and layed back expecting to just kinda fall out in a puddle of warmth, but I didn't fall out, I layed there for a couple hours and it was a lot like being on good E, extremely euphoric, laying in the sun.. and again the really strong hypnotic come on is a lot of fun, and with the coordination problems of being pretty fucking drunk, I kept sitting up and going "naaahh" and laying down again for 45 more minutes.. Lasted a couple hours and then I slept a couple hours..

The only thing that kinda sucked was that it made me *REALLY* thirsty, is that normal?? And does anyone know if there's a way to tell the difference between ka-ghb and na-ghb without a degree in chemistry??

[dharma bum]

I think I saw that on wiki too Chopstix about the Xyrem pricing 1500 and more for a monthly script. I've wanted to try GHB a very long time. Yumma Yumma but godAM that's a little steep. I thought Suboxone was high (in case they weren't high enough, they went up .50 cents a pill.)

[duck]

In the past when I have gotten GHB, I always took the quintessential "cap"...ya know, just like a bottle cap full. One cap you could feel it sorta, two caps you could really tell you took something, 3 caps was pretty much lights out.

The line between an enjoyable dose and a knock out dose always seemed incredibly close to me with GHB, dunno why that is. I enjoyed mixing it with MDMA, had a nice mellowing effect.

I know the stuff I was getting was legit, I had several friends who I trust very much from a chemical and drug perspective and they bought tons of it for personal consumption. However, I would never buy it again, it really is not that fun.

[chopstix]

^^ Did it make you really thirsty?