Wtf?!!

[peacefulwarrior]

Ok..so i have been using opiates for years...and all of a sudden, the euphoria went away!!!
I mean...i've been in and out of addiction and I love opiates and now no matter what I try doesn't work (aside from the constipation etc.) Ive tried different doses, hard shit and weak shit...Everything! WTF WTF WTF! does anyone have any suggestions or help at all? its driving me crazy

[Paregoric Kid]

raise the dose, lower the tolerance

[jacky]

chasing the euphoria can sometimes bite you in the ass I geuss. I knew a nurse who developed a severe allergic reaction to her pain meds overnight, also met a guy in NA who developed a allergic reaction to heroin. he had to quit because he couldnt put the stuff in his arm. one type of chronic symptom of addiction is a lowering of tolerance in the end. losing the euphoric effect is pretty common I geuss, perhaps you need to supplement with vitamins or aminos or there is some underlying condition. Or maybe you are bored with opiates but havnt realized it yet?

[peacefulwarrior]

hmm...its just very bizarre. 2 weeks ago i would be fine with 5 hydros and now i cant even feel 1 oxy 40, 1 morphine IR, and 2 hydros together! i still get sick and constipated but thats about it. so very bitter

[Paregoric Kid]

are you using anything to potentiate it or lower your tolerance like grapefruit juice/tagamet or dxm?

[peacefulwarrior]

DXM never really potentiated much for me...just made me feel like i was dexing. Im off to get some grapefruit juice today. This change seemed to happen almost overnight and I've tried many different sources and different types of opiates. strange. Thanks for your help though Paregoric and Jacky

[Paregoric Kid]

dxm won't always make it much more effective but it can help especially if you dose before you use. don't use more than 80-90mg or you will start to feel the dxm, how much did you use?

[peacefulwarrior]

ill do some experimenting...ill try a couple of different doses and see if i can make the magic happen again. thanks for the tips. last time i tried the dxm i had about 80mg right at the time i took the opiates. ill try a little less a little before

[Paregoric Kid]

60-75mg of dxm should be enough

[replicant76]

i have heard that dxm can reverse or stop tolerance of opiates, anyone know if this is true? what exactly does dxm do with an opiate experiance?

[Paregoric Kid]

it's an NMDA antagonist, it is believed this part of the brain is responsible for tolerance to opiates as well as other drugs such as amphetamines. in clinical trials where dxm and morphine were delivered in a mg to mg ratio results pointed towards slowling down/eliminating a tolerance, thereby slowing or stopping the need to increase the dose of morphine over time.

[jacky]

DXM can have amazing effects when used in combo with opiates, for one the opioids seem potentiated, and bowel movement can be nearly normal. I used DXM and opiates together for about a year. DXM is physically and mentally addictive itself though. I feel major motivational drive while on the combo, and get the best results by consuming less than 150 mgs once a week or very two weeks. DXM can be a fucked up thing to take everday, and delusions can manifest if you do not keep the dose low. it felt like a type of stimulant to me mixed with opiates in low doses. DXM is amazing stuff, with other medicinal potentials.

[the armed forces]

Dude, DXM alters the high a lot, unless in really small doses (sub 100 mg). I would suggest grapefruit juice as it potentiates it by working some emzymes in your liver. Don't get caught up chasing that first high, you'll end up with a huge monkey on your back!

[bluelight]

Question from a novice potentiater: How much grapefruit juice and when(in conjunction with the opiate) should I imbibe?? Also,DXM in what form-again for my rookie self??? Thanks.

[tramagesty]

Try using quinine...Also, there are schools of thought that believe mixing diff types of opioids actually lowers the overall effect, due to competiotion for receptors. Maybe just take a break. Also, there is some evidence that minute doses of Narcan can RAPIDLY lower your tolerance...rapidly, as in a hour or less. You should do more research on this if you decide to try it though. Other wise the effects may be less than pleasant.

[Coverage]

Question from a novice potentiater: How much grapefruit juice and when(in conjunction with the opiate) should I imbibe?? Also,DXM in what form-again for my rookie self??? Thanks.

Hi Bluelight - How much grapefruit juice - well, I would say maybe 8 oz., about 30 minutes before dosing with the opiate. You want the grapefruit juice's effect on the liver enzymes to be working when you introduce the Opiate into your system.

As far as the DXM, pure DXM powder would be awesome - unfortunately it is not that common to find. Most use Max Strength Robitussin - tastes like shit - but you'll get used to it. Robo Max has Dextromethorphan HBr, USP 15 mg per teaspoon and no other active ingredients, which is a good thing. You don't want to add to the mix any pseudoephedrine or guafinesin which is present in many other cough medicines...So if you wanted a DXM does of 75 mg (a good level for potentiating opiates), you would need 5 teaspoons.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not sure when to dose the DXM - I would guess you take the DXM at the same time you take the Opiates? Or would you do it prior to the opies?

Good luck!

Cov

[arielcream]

I have noticed that somedays, I do-not get the effect i was hoping for, this is usually for me due to bingeing and mixing different types, when this happens, i don't bother with trying to get the same euphoric effect, i dose myself with as little as possible-just enough to make me feel better, cover pain, stick to this for 3-4days, the longer the better, and after these 3-4days, i will go back to my "usual" dose and find it will do the job quite nicely,
If you do find your tolerance going up too high, Slow down for a while, then try again.
Sorry theres no quick fix, also if you take buprenorphine for a few days when you stop your tolerance will be greatly reduced, but most find that they have to wait a day or two before they will feel any effects of opiates.

[annuh]

as far as mixing drugs......have you tried methadone and o.c.??
i really haven't any info on using them together long term.....
most of any information i may have is from experience only....
but at a time when i couldn't seem to get off on either o.c. OR 'dones, i ended up mixing the two and a dose of o.c. that wouldn't have really done much for me (even if doubled) mixed with the same sort of dose of methadone really got me where i wanted to be......

i've mixed them on many different occasions since and it still works well for me
(though i know if you are or have recently been strung out on 'dones.....doing any o.c. would be a complete waste.)

anyone else with any imput on this matter???

[chemnoob]

For me, it seems as if when I smoke some cannabis, it really kicks the oc back in (about 30-60 minutes after dosing).

I'm sure that's a commonly known thing, but I thought I'd make my first post.

[Radiant_decay]

Just some fun facts... There is a product you can buy online from lots of different places called dexalone and like it's name that's what it is a dxm pill with nothing else I suggest that just because it doesn't have all of the extra stuff and you don't have fight that cherry nightmare flavour down. Also if you look at the chemical diagrams of dxm and morphine they are mirror images of eachother meaning the exact same but reversed and I would assume this is why dxm in 50 mg a day doses can bring your tolerance down dramatically.

[ontario_opiophile]

Well. You do have quite a problem. It's strange that you can't get a nice buzz. I can't really give you a 100% sure way to get that great buzz again but I think you could read what I write and try out what I say. Sometimes this happens to me and I can't get a buzz. I find that using my mind to bring out the buzz helps alot. Major buzzkillers are moving around and concentrating about things. If i have to move around and occupy myself while my buzz is coming up It dissapears and I miss the euphoria and it doesnt come back until the next dose. I think state of mind has alot to do with the euphoria. Try to appreciate the buzz and just go with the flow, maybe research the drug while you are high and dont think too hard about being high. Just let it take you and seduce you with it's power. As you can see i'm high as a kite. It's one of the many benefits of being sick all the time at such a young age. My life may be ruined but I still have my soothing opies. I dont know if my advice will help but you can try it. Just take the pills and sit back and wait for the first noticeable effects and just sit and let it take you. Don't work, don't move, dont do anything. Opies are your friend and they will never betray you just as long as you never run out. Let your friend take you on a journey in the land of Euphoria. Love your sweet opie friend, let opie love you. Be happy :D Just dreamm just dreammmmmmm...........zzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzZZZZZ




Hi everyone. My name is Thomas, I am new here. You can all call me Tom. I am a 20 year old from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. I have a horrible chronic illness and I have nothing better to do than romance my opies and rant to you all. It's a pleasure to meet you all :D I hope to make many friends.

[duke_nemmerle]

How's this going now warrior? Had you tried any new opiates previous to this or just the same dosages of the same shit not causing the same effects? The first time I tried Fentanyl it made me unable to get high on almost anything 80mg of Oxy would give me an itch and that's about it.

If you can stand the WD, I'd lay off for a week. My tolerance has always declined rapidly in the absence of opiates. I usually use 'dry high'(knowing I'm going to get high again)to get me through the worst of the WD's and it's almost always worth it to have that naive tolerance back.

[rebo]

Peacefull warrior ,maybe your enzymes have decided they need a break ,because without them there is no rush!!!!!

[SomniGod]

I always felt like I needed to 'build up' enzymes to get the high I wanted. For instance, if I did coke in the morning, I did not get NEAR as high as if I waited all day and then did it. Kinda like Doing coke for 6 hours, still having an 8-ball left... and going ahead and doing that up...even though I am not getting high anymore...and it would be best if used on another occasion. So, I think giving a lil time... amybe not going all the way through WD's may help ya get the high back.

~S~

Iam not a nueral surgeon or physiologist or whatever, this is just my $.02! (and prolly not worth THAT!).

[duke_nemmerle]

I always felt like I needed to 'build up' enzymes to get the high I wanted. For instance, if I did coke in the morning, I did not get NEAR as high as if I waited all day and then did it. Kinda like Doing coke for 6 hours, still having an 8-ball left... and going ahead and doing that up...even though I am not getting high anymore...and it would be best if used on another occasion. So, I think giving a lil time... amybe not going all the way through WD's may help ya get the high back.

~S~

Iam not a nueral surgeon or physiologist or whatever, this is just my $.02! (and prolly not worth THAT!).

Sounds feasible to me, getting your metabolism and daily cycle started sounds as though it would reasonably potentiate a drug compared to say a morning dose

[Wildman]

Looks like I am going to have to invest in some DXM, as i do have a cough and I did just finish off the kid's cough meds (there's a bug going around the house, everyone is hacking). Will run to Kroger tomorrow.

Let's see, tomorrow's shopping list is grapefruit juice, Robitussin Super Nuclear (or whatever it is called)
and more beer (just drank the last Sprecher Black with dinner).

I've been doing some home remodeling lately (master bath rehab) and have been getting super sore from all the bending/hammering/ladder climbing. I find that the tea helps with the aches and pains a bit, along with 1000mg APAP. It also improves my mood.

So, I've got that going for me, which is nice.

[smokewagon]

are you using anything to potentiate it or lower your tolerance like grapefruit juice/tagamet or dxm?

or, are you taking suboxone that could potentially block the high?

[ontario_opiophile]

Fuck lately i've been getting no buzz from my medication. Nothing. I enjoy the buzz alot cuz it gets my mind off of pain. But now I find that i'm getting nothing off of my usual dose. I dont even notice i'm on it anymore. It sucks balls. It's about as good as being high on codeine or something and i'm allergic to codeine. lol. Methadone just isnt helping anymore. All of the sudden after I registered with this site my buzz just dissapeared. lol. Maybe the government is sending out some anti-opiate enjoy wave thingy out of our computers and tv's. I dunno, I can even take way more than I usually do and I wont feel anything. It's bizarre. I couldnt even take 10-15mg more than my regular dose or i'd nod off and go into a semi-coma for a day. Now I can take 30-40mg extra and I just nod off a bit but I can still stay awake and euphoria is nothing it's more like dysphoria. I find if I take anymore i get bad effects. shouldnt I keep getting higher as I take a higher dose everyday. Fucking weird. Narcotics are starting to feel shitty. I wonder why. ? Anyone else experiencing this? Anyways i'm out for now peace everyone.