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Restharrow
05-21-2009, 02:19 PM
Swim has always taken his pills by mouth, but there is so much written here about snorting, that he is curios and has questions.

Swim heard that Opana is much stronger snorted. Is it stronger when snorted? Swim's opinion is that Oxy effects are felt quicker when snorted, but the overall use of the pill is somewhat wasted. Is Opana different?

Swim has heard that the ER pills can not be crushed because they gel?

How often does someone have to snort a "line" to stay at an even dose? (how long does a snort last?)

Swim's doctor usually shines a light up Swim's nose at monthly visits. Showing up with pills in his nose, may hurt the doctor / patient relationship. How long does the stuff remain visible for a medical exam?

Swim said to tell you guys hello and thanks for all the past help and advice.

Will

sky1983
05-21-2009, 02:23 PM
Tell SWIM that he can just split the ER's in half and grind each half on a hose clamp and snort. Works well for this guy I know. Lasts about 12 hours as far as pain management, but comes on nice and strong.

Restharrow
05-21-2009, 02:30 PM
Tell SWIM that he can just split the ER's in half and grind each half on a hose clamp and snort. Works well for this guy I know. Lasts about 12 hours as far as pain management, but comes on nice and strong.
So a snorted pill lasts as long as eating an ER?

Also does it clog up his nose?

Thanks!
Will

EleusisII
05-21-2009, 03:53 PM
So a snorted pill lasts as long as eating an ER?

Yeah, that's definetly a first one for me!
Everytime I snorted oxys, they lasted way shorter. If a pill have a higher bioavailability intranasaly than orally, I can maybe see them lasting just as long though.

I got one too btw: If a crushed pil gel up in water, can it still be plugged?

lib.sOCialist
05-21-2009, 04:44 PM
Yeah, that's definetly a first one for me!
Everytime I snorted oxys, they lasted way shorter. If a pill have a higher bioavailability intranasaly than orally, I can maybe see them lasting just as long though.

I got one too btw: If a crushed pil gel up in water, can it still be plugged?

yeah E, it CAN be plugged, but i found when i had a decent connect for Teva OC's before they got discontinued, that the only real way to get anything out of them (or any gelling pill) besides the Ike method is to parachute the crushed powder so your stomach acids can work one over on that waxy shit, but plugging the goo did work alot better then trying to snort the powder and having it calk up your sinus's for days :(


Swim has always taken his pills by mouth, but there is so much written here about snorting, that he is curios and has questions.

Swim heard that Opana is much stronger snorted. Is it stronger when snorted? Swim's opinion is that Oxy effects are felt quicker when snorted, but the overall use of the pill is somewhat wasted. Is Opana different?

Swim has heard that the ER pills can not be crushed because they gel?

How often does someone have to snort a "line" to stay at an even dose? (how long does a snort last?)

Swim's doctor usually shines a light up Swim's nose at monthly visits. Showing up with pills in his nose, may hurt the doctor / patient relationship. How long does the stuff remain visible for a medical exam?

Swim said to tell you guys hello and thanks for all the past help and advice.

Will

Nasal bio-availability is a two-fold increase compared to oral when it comes to oxymorphone, i dont know if this holds true with the ER's because of the gelling factor, but when i had the 10mg IR's, snorting one to one & 1/2, then eating a burger (high-fat meal) was equal to snorting a whole 80oc in terms of anelgesia but itll be subjective for everyone just like tolerance.

but as a rule of thumb, snorting 20mg's crushed powder of OM (oxymorphone) and eating 30mg's crushed powder (seeing how oral bio-availability) will yeild damn near the same effects, but the snorted dose will last much less longer in my experience then the oral dose. but OM has much more legs then OC regardless ROA.

Synack
05-21-2009, 05:01 PM
I'd say the snorted ER dose is at least 2x as strong as an oral dose, for me the snorted dose will last about 10 to 12 hours... good stuff.

Some people say the snorted dose is stronger (which technically, it is) but it varies from person to person.

EleusisII
05-21-2009, 06:29 PM
yeah E, it CAN be plugged, but i found when i had a decent connect for Teva OC's before they got discontinued, that the only real way to get anything out of them (or any gelling pill) besides the Ike method is to parachute the crushed powder so your stomach acids can work

I had these weird American OC40ies a few weeks ago. Generic. Purple. Harder than Satans cock. I swear, everytime I started chewing them, I was worried one of my teeth would come out.
And they gelled to high hell!

BUT!

They seemed to work just as well as regular ones when I chewed them, even though I had to swallow fast so my mouth wouldn't be filled with goo.
I could be wrong, but that leads me to believe, that as long as you crush them, the gelling won't really affect oral use. Any thoughts on this?

Hades
05-26-2009, 11:14 AM
i crush two 40's with a spoon and snort em. they gel up a bit but its not too bad. hits pretty hard and i redose every 5-6hrs. today is refill day!

ryan
05-26-2009, 11:18 AM
Snorting Opana ERs will increase the bio-availability but it won't do jack for the time release.
The pills are made using a gum matrix, so even crushing them will not release all the OM at once...they do gell up in your nose but this is a good thing...you want to keep them in your nose and not drip as long as possible..if it drips down to your stomach them all the goodies are halfed before being able to be absorbed.

BTW, I'm getting some green 20mg ERs soon...
I have a plan to try and get around the time release by keeping them in a hot small jar filled with water for 8-12 hours...from what I've read it should work...has anyone tried this before? I think I am getting two of them, so what I am going to try first is keeping one pill in tact (not crushing it at all or removing the green coating) and putting it in the water jar and then maybe crushing the other one and doing the same.

I have a weird feeling that crushing the pill does something weird that makes injecting impossible no matter how long you have it sit in the water but I could be wrong either way :-\

MEKONE
06-11-2009, 07:23 PM
IMO nasally Opana IR's are GREAT,and can hit hard but they DON'T last long at all (or at least as long as you'd like them to last)and you need to keep re-dosing.

Orally they last longer and you really don't need to re-dose,your just have to fight the monster that wants to put things up your nose as that in itself can become ritualistic.

Now,the nose thing can only be done once in awhile and NOT an everyday thing as the meds will SURELY run out WAAAAAY before the next visit.


Now,the nose thing can only be done once in awhile and NOT an everyday thing as the meds will SURELY run out WAAAAAY before the next visit.
:eek: DAMN!!! Should have taken my own advise :(.

Brony
11-06-2009, 10:10 AM
even though I had to swallow fast so my mouth wouldn't be filled with goo.

I always knew there was something *different* about you...

Ickyuck
11-06-2009, 10:37 AM
I always knew there was something *different* about you...

Bwahaha! http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4041/evillaugh.gif


I'm on board with what everyone said about Opana here. Snorting it is pretty incredible vs. Oral consumption. I'd give it a go. It makes a nice, neat fine powder once you get rid of the green coating. However, don't make it a habit as your doc does that nose inspection.

beseder
11-18-2009, 04:58 PM
Now,the nose thing can only be done once in awhile and NOT an everyday thing as the meds will SURELY run out WAAAAAY before the next visit.


aint that the truth...and it's awfully hard to break that habit once it starts. i know you were talking about the IRs, but my daily dosing for ER is to swallow my first pill with my morning coffee, and split the second 20mg pill in half for putting up the nose over the course of the day. the only reason i'm not still taking a 3rd pill and running out at 20 days is because my PM doc increased quantity of my breakthrough meds...unfortunately i'm only getting 10/325 percs which i eat like candy.

hydro chris
11-18-2009, 05:08 PM
of all the pills i snorted, opana er last the longest.. an easy 6 to 9 hours:)

Tony
11-18-2009, 09:36 PM
Snorting Opana IR one time will make you never want to
eat one again! They do have a lot of crappy filler
powder in them. But it is very much worth it IMHO!

That Opana IR is sweet! You will need to redose more
often but that depends on how much your original dose
was!

I have yet to try the ER.

doctor diesel
11-19-2009, 10:06 AM
I've snorted smack powder a few times, and recently I crushed up and snorted a coupla bupes; I've never felt anything from the snortage.
Tell me, am I the only person here for whom snorting just doesn't do anything? Could I be snorting wrong somehow? (I don't really see how you can get it wrong).


Doc

beseder
11-19-2009, 05:27 PM
you can definitely do it "wrong", if you snort too shallowly or too deeply and it won't get in or stay in your nasal cavity.

Shadowsblaze
11-19-2009, 05:56 PM
can definitely do it "wrong", if you snort too shallowly or too deeply and it won't get in or stay in your nasal cavity.


You have to snort slowly and you can aim it around the nose. As far as cleaning Q-tips are a must especially with the roxi with the V on it they like burn into the tissue. Mali's gel more and clean out easier in clumps that still contain active if you don't spray water (purified) when they dry out in your nose, same with the vintage. The A-215 clean out the easiest. Recommend don't snort the day before and when in the shower suck water up nose, you get used to it.

MEKONE
11-20-2009, 07:41 AM
I'm sure many here have experience with the snortage factor but for those that don't or have a hard time doing this,what alot of people don't realize is that the idea of snorting is to let the substance stay in the nasal/sinus cavity so that it dissolves and is absorbed by the nasal capillaries.
Alot of people think that the harder they snort the better it gets absorbed.
By snorting too hard you get a Drip which is basically a waste of goods because it drips down from your nose into your throat and is then swallowed.If this happens then you probably would have gotten more out of just swallowing the whole pill instead of crushing it.
I would recommend that anyone that has a hard time with this do a search for the nasal spray method.This is very effective and may be a bit easier,but can also be done wrong if too much is sprayed at 1 time.

Restharrow
11-20-2009, 11:27 AM
Does anyone know how long the snorted material is visible for a medical inspection?

thanks!

will

Synack
11-21-2009, 10:57 PM
Does anyone know how long the snorted material is visible for a medical inspection?

thanks!

will

With the ER's - I'd give it 48 hours - or 24 and a few really good cleanings.

duck
11-21-2009, 11:44 PM
Does anyone know how long the snorted material is visible for a medical inspection?

thanks!

will

does your doc inspect your nose? I'd be f u c k e d. Sometimes when I'm eating crackers I wonder if I should just pour some soda down my nose as it's probably just a big hole and I don't feel like waiting til I finish my bite.

God_Albino
11-21-2009, 11:57 PM
my friend's doc commented on 'material' in his nose during a checkup, and said it was obvious he was snorting something (it had been maybe a week or two, and he doesnt have a habit), but its not like the guy had to worry about getting a script taken away or anything.

snorting is the guys only ROA and he's been chipping maybe two years, so maybe wear and tear were also a factor. dont they have some different nasal cleansing options or something? anyway, i'm just saying yeah its possible the doc will find some goobers up there

thatoneguy
12-17-2009, 04:01 PM
IMO with OM the only way to go is snorting it I ate some twice and didn't do jack shit to me, I can snort one of them 20 er and be good to go for a good while, But I usually don't stop there I like to go all out and spend most my day with my face in my lap

mess4opana
12-17-2009, 07:29 PM
My friend has been snorting opana for almost two years now and was not enjoying the way it damaged the nasal membranes. Currently my friend decided to crush however many pills wanted (i think it was 5 x 10mg IR last night) in around 2-3ml of water. sucked it up into a syringe without a needle and slowly dripped into the nose as to not let it drip down too far down the throat and to not let it run out of the nose. admittedly my friend had to be watched all night because they stupidly decided to try mixing valium with said opiate.

not a recommended dosage, seems it could be incompatible with life ( esp after eating a grossly fattening meal) - but i observed my friends nasal membranes not being damaged as before and i believe they will continue this method until they can buy some filter wheels and learn the tricks of the trade.

does this roa seem sensible? any ideas or suggestions? my friend is very curious to learn how other people use oxymorphone. and in what dosages when insuffulated?

i saw another post comparing H to opana, and how might the dosages compare?
a bag to 20mg IR insuffulated?
me, myself and i have no clue and hope to learn from those with more experience - so in turn my friend may reduce the amount of harm done to themselves.

thanks and obviously i am a supernoob, and would like to know: AMIDOINITRITE?
-mess

Opiofreq
12-17-2009, 09:21 PM
My friend has been snorting opana for almost two years now and was not enjoying the way it damaged the nasal membranes. Currently my friend decided to crush however many pills wanted (i think it was 5 x 10mg IR last night) in around 2-3ml of water. sucked it up into a syringe without a needle and slowly dripped into the nose as to not let it drip down too far down the throat and to not let it run out of the nose. admittedly my friend had to be watched all night because they stupidly decided to try mixing valium with said opiate.

not a recommended dosage, seems it could be incompatible with life ( esp after eating a grossly fattening meal) - but i observed my friends nasal membranes not being damaged as before and i believe they will continue this method until they can buy some filter wheels and learn the tricks of the trade.

does this roa seem sensible? any ideas or suggestions? my friend is very curious to learn how other people use oxymorphone. and in what dosages when insuffulated?

i saw another post comparing H to opana, and how might the dosages compare?
a bag to 20mg IR insuffulated?
me, myself and i have no clue and hope to learn from those with more experience - so in turn my friend may reduce the amount of harm done to themselves.

thanks and obviously i am a supernoob, and would like to know: AMIDOINITRITE?
-mess

Opana ir pink 10's have an obscene amount of buffer.

The er tablets are almost all the same size (20mg -40mgs) and are STILL less powder than the ir 10's.

Your best bet would be for your friend to try and obtain the er's for harm reduction...

Swim believes one 20 mg Opana er is better than 1 gram of usual black tar BS on the West Coast.

However, since I'm quite sure Endo Pharmaceuticals is not manufacturing tar, a comparison if difficult to make:cool:

MEKONE
12-18-2009, 01:22 AM
Currently my friend decided to crush however many pills wanted (i think it was 5 x 10mg IR last night) in around 2-3ml of water. sucked it up into a syringe without a needle and slowly dripped into the nose as to not let it drip down too far down the throat and to not let it run out of the nose.
does this roa seem sensible? any ideas or suggestions? my friend is very curious to learn how other people use oxymorphone. and in what dosages when insuffulated?
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=25679&highlight=NASAL+SPRAY
This might help your friend out with his ROA.It's quite easy to do,much more controled than using a syringe,and I can personally say it works VERY well.

thatoneguy
01-02-2010, 12:27 AM
I think I might of just had a awesome hookup on tar because everyone is always bad mouthing the stuff but I get loaded off .1-.2 no problem at all