TTD
06-06-2006, 08:37 PM
Now i have not had a chance to try this with generic OC, but the basic theory is similar, the only diference being the addition of povidone and PEG 400 to the generics, but PEG400 should also filter out in the conditions described below, and povidone believe it or not (polyvinyl pyrrolidone) since it is in its polymerized form and NOT a monomer, will not harm you, it was used as a blood plasma expander in the past and will absolutely not harm you IV.
Its not clear, but there is another form of vinyl pyrrolidone called polyvinyl polypyrrolidone (PVPP), which is in fact insoluble in water, however it tends to bind to polar molecules when it does this, so if that were in a pill you might end up filtering out your drug. This is not entirely clear in the generic monographs of OC, but i doubt this is the one used as it is abbreviated PVPP.
My proceedure was brought about by plenty of research and theorizing by myself, i did build on some ideas others presented but im unaware of anyone else actually doing this.
I should probably note, that despite the fact that a lot of the OC i used was a prescription, i did use it for fun over and above the level i needed for pain, lots in fact, and after a while it turned into maintenance since the pain got better, and i switched back to oral use in the end. I was ignorant in that respect, if i had just taken them orally i probably would have gotten a better effect for pain especially. I was impatient :)
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In the true spirit of harm reduction i think i should share one of my accomplishments with others.
This is such a long post i may forget something so it may take a few hours to review what i wrote after i post it.
For a long time people have been shooting oxycontin, specifically the 40mg pills are the best to use because of percentage of drug to filler etc. Most people crush them, add water, use a cotton ball and inject. If you notice , you get a white solution usually doing this, and cotton is a filter only on the order of like 50-200microns, which is big enough for a lot of crap to go through.
So i set about working on from the efforts of others, and came up with a very good way to obtain oxycodone HCl from oxycontin 40mg pills, including the ability to store it as a solution for injection at a later time.
If you are curious as to what i did with all this IV solution, i actually purchased IV catheters that i was able to put in with one hand, they had an injection port on them. There the kind with the tubing already attached, BD makes them, they look like a Y, the needle comes out the tubing through the back with a wire line, leaving an injection port to use, no IV set needed as long as you use saline to flush it first. I bought like 25 of them and used a new one every 3 days as per standard IV practice to prevent infiltration (infection of the site).
There was one time i used a standard catheter, with the end open like usual, and i managed to spill about a half quart of blood on the floor before i got the IV set connected. Thats what prompted the auto IV catheters that are closed by default.
It should be noted that i have used this procedure and the solution it makes many many times (thousands of milligrams of it), and since then i have been checked out by doctors, and i have a perfect heart (despite my condition) , perfect veins, perfect arterys, my lungs function perfectly with nothing visible in an MRI or CAT scan, ive had radiolabled injection scans, ive had Gallium MRI studies, ive had cardiac catheterizations, and ive had endoscopy and colonoscopys. Nothing i have done IV drug wise has harmed any part of my body, that may be a testament to my efficiency at chemical isolation, or it may be that oxycontin doesnt actually hurt you when IVd and filtered properly, either way, im fine in that respect.
I had some time to experiment over the course of weeks or i wouldnt have completed this so well.
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DO NOT START THIS UNTIL YOU READ THROUGH, YOU WILL MISS PREPARATION AND RUIN IT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE REAL PROCEEDURE. I DID THIS IN THE ORDER PRESENTED HERE, BUT I HAD ALREADY PREPARED THE LATER PARTS SINCE THERE ABSOLUTELY TIME CRITICAL
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items:
30ml plastic saline vial, Abbot or baxter brand, reusable
30ml plastic syringe with luer loc tip, NOT SLIP TIP
25-30mm luer lock (there are other connectors be careful) micropore filter, preferably PTFE (teflon)
6 glass 8ml-10ml vials with screw on caps
Sterile glazed ceramic surface, such as corel plates
wax paper or other non poreous (doesnt grab onto powders and hold them) paper that can made into a small V
Of course, oxycontin 40mg pills, they are the right size and perfect concentration per filler amount, 20 and 10mg are the same size and have more fillers per milligram of drug, and 80mg have more drug but are slightly more than twice the size and weight of the 40mg, making them less concentrated.
My procedure was first to use a sterilized semi-smooth, glazed ceramic surface. Corel plates are what i had. And i do mean sterile, i used isopropyl alcohol as well as BZK (benzalkonium Chloride) to clean the surface, as well as my hands. Then i scraped the pills carefully with a razor blade. If you still see yellow after this, continue to scrape the area even if it means taking some white along with it.
I used a sterilized glass vial to crush the OC40 pills one and a half at a time. You can find them online, there thin, glass vials 1.5inches tall, with a screw cap, the bottom happens to be concave enough to be usefull in crushing pills like this. And since the ceramic and the bottom of the vial are not smooth, they facilitate micro grinding similar to a mortar and pestle.
Then i used sterile, clean paper folds (one for each pill/vial amount crushed up) to hold the crushed powder. If i remember right, i used the backing paper that labels come on, its smooth and wont absorb powders. Make a V out of the paper and use whatever you want (sterilized) to get the powder cleanly off the crushing surface.
You then have however many paper folds (6) with 60mg oxycontin power in each of the Vs, keep these carefully away from wind or other people moving, dust etc. You can put them on a sterile plate with an identical plate over them.
I then took 6 glass vials of either 8-10ml size, and used isopropyl alcohol in each to sterilize, then washed that out with 3 amounts of sterile distilled water.
Then i took the vials, and for each 10mg of oxycodone added 1ml of sterile water to each vial, i usually used one and a half OC40s in each vial, which is 60mg, so i added 6ml to the vial, capped it, and put it in the freezer where cold air contacted the outside. I sat and checked each vial for ice every 5 minutes, and after each vial was at or near freezing but not ice, i removed them, and quickly added each paper V of oxycontin power to each vial, Closed the vials, shook like hell, and back into the freezer.
I opened the door and shook each one every 3 minutes for 20 minutes, this disolves the oxycodone and prevents the cellulose molecules and such from disolving since the water is near freezing. Oxy disolves over time, the rest doesnt, This only works in near freezing temps, and you can easily freeze the solution if you arent careful, which will then puff up the fillers which then absorb the water with the oxycodone in it.
After a period of time, which i determined to be optimally 20 minutes or so, longer wont hurt, but you have to shake the vials every 3 mintues and prevent ice from forming.
At this point i had already prepared 30ml empty Abbott Saline vials by sterilizing them with Isopropyl alcohol and rinsing with 3 amounts of sterile water. I had removed the metal cap and the rubber stopper just comes off like a plug.
With an empty sterile saline vial on the table, i then shook each glass vial, and poured them in the back of a 30ml syringe with the plunger out, along with a micropore filter on the end of it (attached first). The end of the micropore filter was inserted into the lip of the saline vial. Your using the syringe as a holding tank for the solution, which you then force through the micropore filter using the syringe plunger, into the vial, and then put the rubber stopper back on the vial.
At the end you have 10mg/ml Oxycodone HCL solution, aseptically prepared, in a USP approved vial, sterilized before filling.
Micropore filters can be had online, i have purchased the ones labeled Millex before. The problem here is that they make different kinds of micropore materials. They use teflon, and other things. I made sure i got teflon, and if i remember right they were .2 micron filters. That was an arbitrary decision, anything under 5microns is going to remove a lot, but i was cautious. The smaller the micron rating, the slower the solution goes through, and the more the filter resists after building up junk. You HAVE to get the entire solution through that filter before it settles or warms, you have no more than 1 minute to get it through that filter into a vial or it will start absorbing oxycodone into the filler material. If your carefull you can change filters in the middle, i did that a few times, and i also quickly forced 1ml of saline through each used filter into the vial afterward to displace any water containing drug.
You have to realize that these filters are fairly wide in diameter and surface area, they can take a lot of crap and keep on moving liquid through, thats what they are for. They use them in labs to separate particles from solutions in micro amounts.
I was able to get away with using 2 filters at the most to make 30ml of solution, which means the filters caught 7 and a half pills of oxycontin filler. There may be some filters that wont take as much, i do know they are rated based on surface area, there are smaller and wider ones, the wider the better here. If i remember right, mine were 25mm across.
Obviously the members of this forum arent stupid, but for the sake of completeness, these are NOT SYRINGE FILTERS, they are totally different, syringe filters are inline filters usually in the needle.
This isnt easy for someone who hasnt worked with things like small amounts of liquid, or sterile environments. But it was worth it, i never had to prepare each little shot with a spoon or other devices http://i1.bluelight.nu/s/smile.gif
Its not clear, but there is another form of vinyl pyrrolidone called polyvinyl polypyrrolidone (PVPP), which is in fact insoluble in water, however it tends to bind to polar molecules when it does this, so if that were in a pill you might end up filtering out your drug. This is not entirely clear in the generic monographs of OC, but i doubt this is the one used as it is abbreviated PVPP.
My proceedure was brought about by plenty of research and theorizing by myself, i did build on some ideas others presented but im unaware of anyone else actually doing this.
I should probably note, that despite the fact that a lot of the OC i used was a prescription, i did use it for fun over and above the level i needed for pain, lots in fact, and after a while it turned into maintenance since the pain got better, and i switched back to oral use in the end. I was ignorant in that respect, if i had just taken them orally i probably would have gotten a better effect for pain especially. I was impatient :)
--------------------------------------------------
In the true spirit of harm reduction i think i should share one of my accomplishments with others.
This is such a long post i may forget something so it may take a few hours to review what i wrote after i post it.
For a long time people have been shooting oxycontin, specifically the 40mg pills are the best to use because of percentage of drug to filler etc. Most people crush them, add water, use a cotton ball and inject. If you notice , you get a white solution usually doing this, and cotton is a filter only on the order of like 50-200microns, which is big enough for a lot of crap to go through.
So i set about working on from the efforts of others, and came up with a very good way to obtain oxycodone HCl from oxycontin 40mg pills, including the ability to store it as a solution for injection at a later time.
If you are curious as to what i did with all this IV solution, i actually purchased IV catheters that i was able to put in with one hand, they had an injection port on them. There the kind with the tubing already attached, BD makes them, they look like a Y, the needle comes out the tubing through the back with a wire line, leaving an injection port to use, no IV set needed as long as you use saline to flush it first. I bought like 25 of them and used a new one every 3 days as per standard IV practice to prevent infiltration (infection of the site).
There was one time i used a standard catheter, with the end open like usual, and i managed to spill about a half quart of blood on the floor before i got the IV set connected. Thats what prompted the auto IV catheters that are closed by default.
It should be noted that i have used this procedure and the solution it makes many many times (thousands of milligrams of it), and since then i have been checked out by doctors, and i have a perfect heart (despite my condition) , perfect veins, perfect arterys, my lungs function perfectly with nothing visible in an MRI or CAT scan, ive had radiolabled injection scans, ive had Gallium MRI studies, ive had cardiac catheterizations, and ive had endoscopy and colonoscopys. Nothing i have done IV drug wise has harmed any part of my body, that may be a testament to my efficiency at chemical isolation, or it may be that oxycontin doesnt actually hurt you when IVd and filtered properly, either way, im fine in that respect.
I had some time to experiment over the course of weeks or i wouldnt have completed this so well.
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DO NOT START THIS UNTIL YOU READ THROUGH, YOU WILL MISS PREPARATION AND RUIN IT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE REAL PROCEEDURE. I DID THIS IN THE ORDER PRESENTED HERE, BUT I HAD ALREADY PREPARED THE LATER PARTS SINCE THERE ABSOLUTELY TIME CRITICAL
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items:
30ml plastic saline vial, Abbot or baxter brand, reusable
30ml plastic syringe with luer loc tip, NOT SLIP TIP
25-30mm luer lock (there are other connectors be careful) micropore filter, preferably PTFE (teflon)
6 glass 8ml-10ml vials with screw on caps
Sterile glazed ceramic surface, such as corel plates
wax paper or other non poreous (doesnt grab onto powders and hold them) paper that can made into a small V
Of course, oxycontin 40mg pills, they are the right size and perfect concentration per filler amount, 20 and 10mg are the same size and have more fillers per milligram of drug, and 80mg have more drug but are slightly more than twice the size and weight of the 40mg, making them less concentrated.
My procedure was first to use a sterilized semi-smooth, glazed ceramic surface. Corel plates are what i had. And i do mean sterile, i used isopropyl alcohol as well as BZK (benzalkonium Chloride) to clean the surface, as well as my hands. Then i scraped the pills carefully with a razor blade. If you still see yellow after this, continue to scrape the area even if it means taking some white along with it.
I used a sterilized glass vial to crush the OC40 pills one and a half at a time. You can find them online, there thin, glass vials 1.5inches tall, with a screw cap, the bottom happens to be concave enough to be usefull in crushing pills like this. And since the ceramic and the bottom of the vial are not smooth, they facilitate micro grinding similar to a mortar and pestle.
Then i used sterile, clean paper folds (one for each pill/vial amount crushed up) to hold the crushed powder. If i remember right, i used the backing paper that labels come on, its smooth and wont absorb powders. Make a V out of the paper and use whatever you want (sterilized) to get the powder cleanly off the crushing surface.
You then have however many paper folds (6) with 60mg oxycontin power in each of the Vs, keep these carefully away from wind or other people moving, dust etc. You can put them on a sterile plate with an identical plate over them.
I then took 6 glass vials of either 8-10ml size, and used isopropyl alcohol in each to sterilize, then washed that out with 3 amounts of sterile distilled water.
Then i took the vials, and for each 10mg of oxycodone added 1ml of sterile water to each vial, i usually used one and a half OC40s in each vial, which is 60mg, so i added 6ml to the vial, capped it, and put it in the freezer where cold air contacted the outside. I sat and checked each vial for ice every 5 minutes, and after each vial was at or near freezing but not ice, i removed them, and quickly added each paper V of oxycontin power to each vial, Closed the vials, shook like hell, and back into the freezer.
I opened the door and shook each one every 3 minutes for 20 minutes, this disolves the oxycodone and prevents the cellulose molecules and such from disolving since the water is near freezing. Oxy disolves over time, the rest doesnt, This only works in near freezing temps, and you can easily freeze the solution if you arent careful, which will then puff up the fillers which then absorb the water with the oxycodone in it.
After a period of time, which i determined to be optimally 20 minutes or so, longer wont hurt, but you have to shake the vials every 3 mintues and prevent ice from forming.
At this point i had already prepared 30ml empty Abbott Saline vials by sterilizing them with Isopropyl alcohol and rinsing with 3 amounts of sterile water. I had removed the metal cap and the rubber stopper just comes off like a plug.
With an empty sterile saline vial on the table, i then shook each glass vial, and poured them in the back of a 30ml syringe with the plunger out, along with a micropore filter on the end of it (attached first). The end of the micropore filter was inserted into the lip of the saline vial. Your using the syringe as a holding tank for the solution, which you then force through the micropore filter using the syringe plunger, into the vial, and then put the rubber stopper back on the vial.
At the end you have 10mg/ml Oxycodone HCL solution, aseptically prepared, in a USP approved vial, sterilized before filling.
Micropore filters can be had online, i have purchased the ones labeled Millex before. The problem here is that they make different kinds of micropore materials. They use teflon, and other things. I made sure i got teflon, and if i remember right they were .2 micron filters. That was an arbitrary decision, anything under 5microns is going to remove a lot, but i was cautious. The smaller the micron rating, the slower the solution goes through, and the more the filter resists after building up junk. You HAVE to get the entire solution through that filter before it settles or warms, you have no more than 1 minute to get it through that filter into a vial or it will start absorbing oxycodone into the filler material. If your carefull you can change filters in the middle, i did that a few times, and i also quickly forced 1ml of saline through each used filter into the vial afterward to displace any water containing drug.
You have to realize that these filters are fairly wide in diameter and surface area, they can take a lot of crap and keep on moving liquid through, thats what they are for. They use them in labs to separate particles from solutions in micro amounts.
I was able to get away with using 2 filters at the most to make 30ml of solution, which means the filters caught 7 and a half pills of oxycontin filler. There may be some filters that wont take as much, i do know they are rated based on surface area, there are smaller and wider ones, the wider the better here. If i remember right, mine were 25mm across.
Obviously the members of this forum arent stupid, but for the sake of completeness, these are NOT SYRINGE FILTERS, they are totally different, syringe filters are inline filters usually in the needle.
This isnt easy for someone who hasnt worked with things like small amounts of liquid, or sterile environments. But it was worth it, i never had to prepare each little shot with a spoon or other devices http://i1.bluelight.nu/s/smile.gif