View Full Version : How does so much OXY make it to the streets?
wisegal
05-12-2009, 03:00 PM
I am always hearing of pain-patients on here not getting the amount of meds needed to sucessfully manage their pain because of cautious docs. My question is, if someone with a legitimate condition cannot get what they need - how do dealers? how does so much oxy make it out to the streets. I know a girl that pays people to see a doc in S. Fl for her.. so thats one way..
Because half the people who get perscribed to it DONT have a legitimate reason :)
They lie to and manipulate doctor(s) to get pills. Look around, thats probablly how half of this websites users get pills.
Some have legit pain, but Im willing to bet over half the users here have no pain at all, only addictions, and the "pseudo-pain" that goes with the addiction(s).
losangeleslifer
05-12-2009, 03:26 PM
I am always hearing of pain-patients on here not getting the amount of meds needed to sucessfully manage their pain because of cautious docs. My question is, if someone with a legitimate condition cannot get what they need - how do dealers? how does so much oxy make it out to the streets. I know a girl that pays people to see a doc in S. Fl for her.. so thats one way..
Doing an article by any chance? :)
Asking where a dealer gets their drugs is not a question that will garner many answers. At least from anyone smart. Especially pharmaceuticals.
"Inside activity" in the industry provides a good portion of available goods.
I wouldn't think you would get any detailed information by just asking.
Trade secrets.
wisegal
05-12-2009, 03:30 PM
Not doing any type of article, no way.
just curious...
Restharrow
05-12-2009, 03:35 PM
It only takes a few crooked doctors and pharmacists to dispense millions of doses of a drug.
Organized Criminal Diversion Gangs
Pain patients who sell part of their script to afford to buy them
Pain patients who scam their doctors and sell all their pills
Kids who raid medicine cabinets of parents, grandparents, etc.
I just read an article about this on the web -- I will try and find the link and edit this post with the link.
EDIT: I can't find the article. It sounds like you are doing some research -- Have you gone to the DEA website and looked at CASES AGAINST DOCTORS? It may be a good source for your curiosity.
Will
losangeleslifer
05-12-2009, 03:44 PM
Not doing any type of article, no way.
just curious...
I was just kidding.;)
lib.sOCialist
05-12-2009, 04:36 PM
It only takes a few crooked doctors and pharmacists to dispense millions of doses of a drug.
Organized Criminal Diversion Gangs
Pain patients who sell part of their script to afford to buy them
Pain patients who scam their doctors and sell all their pills
Kids who raid medicine cabinets of parents, grandparents, etc.
I just read an article about this on the web -- I will try and find the link and edit this post with the link.
EDIT: I can't find the article. It sounds like you are doing some research -- Have you gone to the DEA website and looked at CASES AGAINST DOCTORS? It may be a good source for your curiosity.
Will
QFT
seven10kids
05-12-2009, 05:24 PM
I hear a lot tend to fall off the back of trucks.
you would be surprised. Most "dealers" are just people that have found drs. They may be perfectly fine but trick the dr or be in pain but sell their meds cuz they would rather have money or like the other person said, sell some to pay for the cost of filling meds.
Patients can sometimes say they lost their meds and get more. I would never try this with my dr cuz it is shady and he would know I was lying. Any dr will tell you to keep your narcotics in a safe and if someone steals them, then your sol for the month (even tho the dr. would write you another but they want you to think they wont so you wont be careless.
There are artilces all over the web about ups and fedex employess sealing the meds. Even at the pharm I bet there are people on the inside that are shady.
All that is stupid and a good way to get put in jail.
Talk to a dr. Dont buy off the streets. There are drs that will help you. Dont be a junky, if you need these meds to feel better, tell someone, it is not up to the adverage person to decide one day their dosage and all, even tho most of us do.
Patches
05-12-2009, 05:41 PM
QFT
..........................."QFT"???.........................................Patche s:confused:
jersey_emt
05-12-2009, 06:49 PM
..........................."QFT"???.........................................Patche s:confused:
Quoted For Truth.
"I fully agree with this statement".
lib.sOCialist
05-12-2009, 08:34 PM
Quoted For Truth.
"I fully agree with this statement".
dbl QFT? lol, what he said
cunningx
05-12-2009, 08:51 PM
I think that I've also heard it as "Quite F***ing True"
Either way, same thing, like Tomato and "that round red thing that nobody knows if it is a fruit of a veggie"
SHELLEY
05-12-2009, 09:05 PM
maybe the dealers have more money than the legit patients?
money opens a lot of closed doors...
EleusisII
05-12-2009, 09:33 PM
There are artilces all over the web about ups and fedex employess sealing the meds. Even at the pharm I bet there are people on the inside that are shady.
No. Pharmacies are up to their ass in pillcounts and double checks. And articles "all over the web"? Bullshit. You'd be hardpressed to find more than a handful.
Talk to a dr. Dont buy off the streets. There are drs that will help you. Dont be a junky, if you need these meds to feel better, tell someone, it is not up to the adverage person to decide one day their dosage and all, even tho most of us do.
Excuse me? Do you get off to sounding like a arrogant little prick, or did you just happen to miss the fact, that the sites' name is opiophile.org, and not some pussy-ass-CP site? Do yourself a favor and save the snivelling "oh, but I'm a PAIN patient"-act for someone who hasn't seen it before.
You and me are both junkies, buddy. But at least I have the guts to admit it and be proud of the label.
EleusisII
05-12-2009, 09:43 PM
Organized Criminal Diversion Gangs
Pain patients who sell part of their script to afford to buy them
Pain patients who scam their doctors and sell all their pills
Kids who raid medicine cabinets of parents, grandparents, etc.
Very true. And there's bound to be some insider-activity as well.
I spend 3-4 hours today at an ER, and walked out with 2-4000$ worth of pills, depending on where you live. Or imagine being a senior on a fixed income, who gets the chance of doubling his or her SS, just by selling a handfuld of pills.
Profitmargins are so huge, so the question should really be: How does so much OXY stay in the hands of the people it was prescribed to?
losangeleslifer
05-12-2009, 10:46 PM
Talk to a dr. Dont buy off the streets. There are drs that will help you. Dont be a junky, if you need these meds to feel better, tell someone, it is not up to the adverage person to decide one day their dosage and all, even tho most of us do.
WTF?
seven10kids
05-12-2009, 11:09 PM
sorry, Im not trying to be a prick, it just came out wrong.
See its funny that one person is a junky because they score off the corner and the next person is a CP patient or in PM. I ment that junky as sarcasm.
I think I am just as much of a junky as the next dude with a needle in his arm. We both need our fix, I don't like needles but I will put anything up my nose.
It is just hard when you don't have a dr to talk to if you need one too,. i see some post on the internet of people looking for doctors, but they just need to go and talk to someone and tell them what the problem is.
Sorry I didnt mean all over the internet either, there has just been a lot of info lately of pharm robberies too you know, so people are getting them that way, not very many, I think one case they got 60 generic and 60 80mg Oxycontins.
Its just easier if you have someone that you can talk to before going to those extremes.
When i said junky, I ment junky as how mass media/society sees people that like opys.
seven10kids
05-12-2009, 11:12 PM
No. Pharmacies are up to their ass in pillcounts and double checks. And articles "all over the web"? Bullshit. You'd be hardpressed to find more than a handful.
Excuse me? Do you get off to sounding like a arrogant little prick, or did you just happen to miss the fact, that the sites' name is opiophile.org, and not some pussy-ass-CP site? Do yourself a favor and save the snivelling "oh, but I'm a PAIN patient"-act for someone who hasn't seen it before.
You and me are both junkies, buddy. But at least I have the guts to admit it and be proud of the label.
you dont think someone could be in on a robbery on the inside of the pharm? Like dude one rolls in like give me all you got and his buddy is working at the CVS like ok sir just dont kill me, then when homeboy rolls out the doors dude working is like hey we just got robbed and I dont' know where he went.
just a thought.
just quote my whole post please then you mite understand better what I am saying. I just think people getting robbed and beat and shot and whatever is a little extreme just because someone wants it and isnt susposed to have access to it. In general I think everyone should have whatever they want at anytime but unfortunatly laws arent like this and we have to live in someone elses system, so I would just like people to think things out a little bit better before doing it.
Swellin
05-13-2009, 04:38 AM
I would think that there is some shady shit going on at least one of the factory's that produces oxycodone somewhere in the world. Thats how you make real money, produce on a massive scale in a third world country and i think you can put the peaces togather.
Because half the people who get perscribed to it DONT have a legitimate reason :)
They lie to and manipulate doctor(s) to get pills. Look around, thats probablly how half of this websites users get pills.
Some have legit pain, but Im willing to bet over half the users here have no pain at all, only addictions, and the "pseudo-pain" that goes with the addiction(s).
And so what if we don't? You think addiction isn't REAL pain? Seriously? If you don't like it, find another website, this website is about RECREATIONAL DRUG USE. This isn't a pain patient forum, we BY ALL MEANS welcome pain patients of all kinds, but we welcome NOBODY who is condescending and thinks they're better than everyone else. I would venture to say that half of ALL people have pain on a regular basis, more than just "once in a while" that is best dealt with by opiates. There's nothing wrong with that, we've been raised to think there is.
Nobody has "no pain at all" for starters, and we shouldn't HAVE to go through a doctor to get them in the first place, so don't bitch at us for "lying and manipulating" to get them. The law is wrong, if there were a law that said you had to return slaves to their owners (as there was at one time) would you obey it? And don't feed me the "it hurts other pain patients" bullshit, because it's just that, bullshit. So some junkies are scamming docs to get pills. It's not US who are denying the other patients their "rightful" pills, it's the doctor, or moreso the DEA who uses junkies scamming docs and pill mills as an EXCUSE to bust doctors and limit how much they prescribe. The DEA has a gun to the pain patient's head, and is saying "if you take drugs I'll shoot the pain patient", but ultimately the Dick Eating Asshole is the one who pulls the trigger, not us.
If you didn't mean that like i took it, sorry, just think about it as me talking to someone else.
roxi*stardust
05-13-2009, 06:14 AM
Because half the people who get perscribed to it DONT have a legitimate reason :)
They lie to and manipulate doctor(s) to get pills. Look around, thats probablly how half of this websites users get pills.
Some have legit pain, but Im willing to bet over half the users here have no pain at all, only addictions, and the "pseudo-pain" that goes with the addiction(s).
You might be in the wrong place. This is not the place to judge anyone nor make assumptions about how or why people get scripts. If you want to judgement the legitimacy of people's pain go be a fucking doctor. Other than that I would suggest you shut the fuck up and go somewhere else if you have a problem with opiate addiction.
Very true. And there's bound to be some insider-activity as well.
I spend 3-4 hours today at an ER, and walked out with 2-4000$ worth of pills, depending on where you live. Or imagine being a senior on a fixed income, who gets the chance of doubling his or her SS, just by selling a handfuld of pills.
Profitmargins are so huge, so the question should really be: How does so much OXY stay in the hands of the people it was prescribed to?
^^Let the truth be told!! You think some elderly or disabled person who gets a fixed income of $500-600 a month isn't going to see a few of their OC 80mg tabs can double their income and pay for food on the table or keep the gas or elctric on.
Want to blame someone for all the Oxy on the street? Blame the government for the really bad economic crisis right now. What else are these people going to do if the have the choice to go without heat or sell a few of their OxyContin. Fact is some people need money more than they need their pain meds; they will deal with the pain to have food on the table.
EleusisII
05-13-2009, 06:30 AM
In general I think everyone should have whatever they want at anytime but unfortunatly laws arent like this and we have to live in someone elses system, so I would just like people to think things out a little bit better before doing it.
Sorry, I guess I might have misunderstood your post and where you're coming from.
Apparently it's LTHG who shold have been the target of my ire...
wisegal
05-13-2009, 08:02 AM
WTF?
+1.
But thanks to all who replied. My brain is scattered thinkin' about all of this.
jcmanny
05-13-2009, 10:09 AM
Very true. And there's bound to be some insider-activity as well.
I spend 3-4 hours today at an ER, and walked out with 2-4000$ worth of pills, depending on where you live. Or imagine being a senior on a fixed income, who gets the chance of doubling his or her SS, just by selling a handfuld of pills.
Profitmargins are so huge, so the question should really be: How does so much OXY stay in the hands of the people it was prescribed to?
One of my connections lives in a low income apartment complex filled with seniors. He put the word out that he buys certain types of meds and after a few months he had a hell of a supply.
wizardofoz80
05-13-2009, 02:05 PM
I think its really messed up that a lot of the people who need OC to help with pain cant pay their bills or put food on the table and simply dont have a choice other than to sell it to make SOME income. Thats the case with the people I know.
EleusisII
05-13-2009, 02:14 PM
You're right Wizard... It is fucked up. The solution? Class-war!
Grab what you need from the 10% of Americans who have the vast majority of wealth.
Restharrow
05-13-2009, 02:31 PM
Profitmargins are so huge, so the question should really be: How does so much OXY stay in the hands of the people it was prescribed to?
LOL. I rarely say that on web because I rarely LOL. This is good.
Will
StackBundles
05-13-2009, 02:45 PM
You're right Wizard... It is fucked up. The solution? Class-war!
Grab what you need from the 10% of Americans who have the vast majority of wealth.
"Americans"???
EleusisII
05-13-2009, 02:49 PM
"Americans"???
Well it's an American problem, and I sure as hell don't want you guys to come and grab my precious Euros! Or my precious euro-oxys!
With evil socialized healthcare, OCs are dirt-cheap :p
jcmanny
05-13-2009, 03:40 PM
Well it's an American problem, and I sure as hell don't want you guys to come and grab my precious Euros! Or my precious euro-oxys!
With evil socialized healthcare, OCs are dirt-cheap :p
That would make for a very interesting currency to say the least. I wonder if you could trade it on the Forex market?
In the country of Indya, OC's will be the coinage, with fentanyl patches being paper currency. EVERY SINGLE ONE WITH MY FACE ON IT.
God_Albino
05-13-2009, 07:49 PM
my buddy (until recently) paid 15$ for an 80 on the street, as a CP patient with bad insurance, i pay about that per OC40.
i know most folks pay a lot more than 15$/80, but the shits so expensive and alot of insurance doesnts cover it, no wonder they gotta jack the price up like a motherfucker.
mikey5string
05-13-2009, 08:12 PM
on a somewhat related note... does anyone know how controlled meds are delivered to the pharmacy?
do they roll up in armored dunbar trucks or just regular freight trucks?
I've often wondered this. I wonder where I could pick up a job application to be a driver.
Sunny
05-13-2009, 08:48 PM
on a somewhat related note... does anyone know how controlled meds are delivered to the pharmacy?
do they roll up in armored dunbar trucks or just regular freight trucks?
Looking to rob a truck :)
Most of the pills/patches I see "on the streets" come from people trading them for weed or selling them to pay for their outrages medical bills! Luckily I have insurance and get to keep my full script :D
digby
05-13-2009, 08:51 PM
on a somewhat related note... does anyone know how controlled meds are delivered to the pharmacy?
do they roll up in armored dunbar trucks or just regular freight trucks?
It depends on so many factors, but in a relatively small town (170,000) I had the job of delivering from the largest and maybe only distributor in town to all the pharmacies. They were put in plain brown paper bags with a lading slip with all the drugs encloses stapled to the bag and the bag stapled shut. I normally drove one of their company vans, but sometimes had to use my own car and deliver out of the trunk (just like they probably due in Jersey and elsewhere :cool: )
Did that during the day, and tended bar at night. The bar contributed a lot of liquor to late night parties for their employees after hours, so once again my trunk saw a lot of action with cases of liquor and such. I was young and carefree in those days so all in all, life was pretty good.
Madam Oxy
05-13-2009, 09:01 PM
Quoted For Truth. "I fully agree with this statement".
hahahahaha lib.sOCialist replied to one of my comments in another thread awhile back and I thought it meant... Quit Fuckin' Talking :rolleyes: Nice to know what he really meant now, Now if I can only remember what thread it was? hmmmmm? hahaha
(http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=5903)
theDeanofGreen
05-13-2009, 09:23 PM
You and me are both junkies, buddy. But at least I have the guts to admit it and be proud of the label.
I agree that admitting you have a problem is a good thing because living in denial could possibly make you worse and not seek treatment if needed, and get to a point where you are very sick and could possibly die. But I have never been, and never will be proud of being a junky, I think my life would be better off if opiates and other drugs never even existed, but they do, and I do them, so I live with it and atleast have the will power to never take it to a point where I could OD (hence I have never done, or never will do heroin (not hateing on those who do, to each his own, and also not saying pharm opies can't kill you, but I think you have a better chance with H because unless you are manufacturing it yourself you don't know what is in it or its potency), I have so much good things ahead of me in life that I just can't miss out on, life is good!
seven10kids
05-13-2009, 10:36 PM
you life would be best if you could go into a pharm and buy a bottle of 80s just like you would a bottle of advil.
Think about it.
The only person the looses out is Big Pharma but they will probably have me offed for even typing such a thing.
It would be nice to be able to buy a bottle, then if you need to get off, you could buy a bottle of subs, i mean then the only one you could blame would be yourself...
EleusisII
05-14-2009, 12:00 AM
I agree that admitting you have a problem is a good thing
Who said I have a problem? Sure, I got my problems just like everybody else. Nothing serious though, and I don't really see me being a junky as a problem.
I smell the unpleasant whiff of prohibitionist propaganda from your post. The absolutist argument that:
1. Taking mood-enhancing (and sure, addictive) drugs is always bad, a moral crime that's infinetely more severe if the motive behind it is seeking pleasure. The debauchery! The depravity!
2. Such substances should be eliminated completely since life is meant to be bland, controlled and productive.
(Prohibitionists are never satisfied with the fact that they themselves are drug-free. The mere existance of pleasurable drugs is subversive, because, god forbid, someone might be tempted by their hedonistc siren call.)
IMHO it's a damn narrowminded view that being a junkie, or being addicted to opies is, by its very nature, a problem. Fuck that.
You got a problem with being a junkie? Tough titties... My sympathies and so on.
But don't project and assume that I too should wallow in misery over the choices that I've made.
I like being a junkie. I'm good at being a junkie. It's not all sunshine and rainbows shining out of my ass, but hey: I made my choices to end up where I am, and all in all, I enjoy it, and life could be a hell of a lot worse.
...and life could be a hell of a lot worse.
but it could be so much better
http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/happiness.jpg
EleusisII
05-14-2009, 02:04 AM
Nah, I actually don't like being dizzy ;)
you only think you don't because you're a junkie. Come to know sobriety and you will see that dizziness is the light.
Restharrow
05-14-2009, 08:45 AM
on a somewhat related note... does anyone know how controlled meds are delivered to the pharmacy?
do they roll up in armored dunbar trucks or just regular freight trucks?
A while ago, I was waiting at a pharmacy and a white van rolls up. A very small discreet sign on the truck said CONTROLLED DELIVERY SERVICE, LLC. The top of the van had huge black letters on it CDS, LLC. I figured the large letters on the roof was so it could be spotted from the air if hijacked.
2 muscular young men with crewcuts and very discreet uniforms got out. They looked like off-duty police officers. They were very alert for delivery guys. They unloaded 2 plastic crates and took them to the pharmacy.
I am a regular patient at this pharmacy and the pharmacists both looked like they "tensed up" a little while the transfer of the crates was occuring.
This is a pharmacy that handles a lot of cancer patients, specializes in Hospice stuff, next to a hospital. I figured that was the Oxy delivery I saw.
Will
lib.sOCialist
05-14-2009, 09:37 AM
You're right Wizard... It is fucked up. The solution? Class-war!
Grab what you need from the 10% of Americans who have the vast majority of wealth.
<=== win.
lib.sOCialist
05-14-2009, 09:42 AM
I agree that admitting you have a problem is a good thing because living in denial could possibly make you worse and not seek treatment if needed, and get to a point where you are very sick and could possibly die. But I have never been, and never will be proud of being a junky, I think my life would be better off if opiates and other drugs never even existed, but they do, and I do them, so I live with it and atleast have the will power to never take it to a point where I could OD (hence I have never done, or never will do heroin (not hateing on those who do, to each his own, and also not saying pharm opies can't kill you, but I think you have a better chance with H because unless you are manufacturing it yourself you don't know what is in it or its potency), I have so much good things ahead of me in life that I just can't miss out on, life is good!
QF lulz. keep preachin..
hahahahaha lib.sOCialist replied to one of my comments in another thread awhile back and I thought it meant... Quit Fuckin' Talking :rolleyes: Nice to know what he really meant now, Now if I can only remember what thread it was? hmmmmm? hahaha
(http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=5903)
lol! i would never be short with you madam :)
I-Nod
05-14-2009, 11:58 AM
I agree that admitting you have a problem is a good thing because living in denial could possibly make you worse and not seek treatment if needed, and get to a point where you are very sick and could possibly die. But I have never been, and never will be proud of being a junky, I think my life would be better off if opiates and other drugs never even existed, but they do, and I do them, so I live with it and atleast have the will power to never take it to a point where I could OD (hence I have never done, or never will do heroin (not hateing on those who do, to each his own, and also not saying pharm opies can't kill you, but I think you have a better chance with H because unless you are manufacturing it yourself you don't know what is in it or its potency), I have so much good things ahead of me in life that I just can't miss out on, life is good!
What brouht you to Ophile? Just curious. It just seems like you and the site as a whole have conflicting interests.
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