OBTAINED A BLANK SCRIPT

[xannyman]

I was able to obtain 1 legal blank script from my dr. when he left it in his leather binder when he left the room. I know there are severe penalties for filling it in myself; however, if I was to use the proper terms and able to forge his signature properly would it work? I know it would be better to not write it for something CII because they might call the dr. but what i don't know is all the special terminology they use as far as dosing, and other abbreviations they use. Anywhere I can find this info, or should I just throw the blank script out and save myself possible severe legal action?

[ryan]

I am by no means a moderator, but you really should consider using SWIM when posting topics like this.
Alot of people say it's bullshit, but I always stay on the safe side..

Don't all scripts get sent back to the doc anyways?

IMHO this is a bad idea, unless you have like a fake ID and give them a fake name \ bday and pay cash and use a pharm that's not close to where you live.

I'm pretty sure that alot of modern pharmacies (especially chains) verify all CII's like you said...maybe benzos?
Dunno man, but to me it's definitely NOT worth the risk.

[nick]

Firstly,Ryan is right-you really should use swim for this kinda post.


It's possible to cash fake rxs,but I really,REALLY suggest you throw it away.Even if you know exactly how to do this......it's still a craps shoot and eventually you'll lose.The risk/reward ratio doesn't make it a bright move.

[xannyman]

I am by no means a moderator, but you really should consider using SWIM when posting topics like this.
Alot of people say it's bullshit, but I always stay on the safe side..

Don't all scripts get sent back to the doc anyways?

IMHO this is a bad idea, unless you have like a fake ID and give them a fake name \ bday and pay cash and use a pharm that's not close to where you live.

I'm pretty sure that alot of modern pharmacies (especially chains) verify all CII's like you said...maybe benzos?
Dunno man, but to me it's definitely NOT worth the risk.
thanks man, probably shouldn't have posted this anyway, and you are right, scripts probably get back to dr. and definately not worth it. sorry

[SHELLEY]

swim won't help you, it's a load of shit
i just wouldn't post this at all

[xannyman]

Thanks everyone, I just threw ripped up the script and threw it in the trash......I definately wasn't thinking to inteligentely!!!!!!!!!

[SHELLEY]

Thanks everyone, I just threw ripped up the script and threw it in the trash......I definately wasn't thinking to inteligentely!!!!!!!!!

SUUUUUUURE ya did :)
j/k

[xannyman]

SUUUUUUURE ya did :)
j/k
Actually I did, because after reading the posts and thinking about it, if it gets back to my dr. or i get busted I am facing serious time in jail... And since I have a PM dr. and legally get oc 80's and 75mcg patches, i really don't need to get greedy and arrested. Plus if I got caught i would get cut of from the meds i get now all together.

[ryan]

Actually I did, because after reading the posts and thinking about it, if it gets back to my dr. or i get busted I am facing serious time in jail... And since I have a PM dr. and legally get oc 80's and 75mcg patches, i really don't need to get greedy and arrested. Plus if I got caught i would get cut of from the meds i get now all together.

God damn man, be grateful with what you already have! :P
JK, I know no matter what we have it's never enough.

[bronyraur]

Actually I did, because after reading the posts and thinking about it, if it gets back to my dr. or i get busted I am facing serious time in jail... And since I have a PM dr. and legally get oc 80's and 75mcg patches, i really don't need to get greedy and arrested. Plus if I got caught i would get cut of from the meds i get now all together.

You get Duragesic and OxyContin and you even thought about forging a script?!?! Not wise. I'm glad you're not going to do it.

In the future, use SWIM (someone who isn't me) when discussing something like this. Or you could say that a "friend" was considering it. If you actually did it and got caught, you just provided the prosecutor a nice piece of evidence showing your intent to commit a felony...not good for you or Opiophile.

[xannyman]

You get Duragesic and OxyContin and you even thought about forging a script?!?! Not wise. I'm glad you're not going to do it.

In the future, use SWIM (someone who isn't me) when discussing something like this. Or you could say that a "friend" was considering it. If you actually did it and got caught, you just provided the prosecutor a nice piece of evidence showing your intent to commit a felony...not good for you or Opiophile.
thanks, appologize for that

[bronyraur]

thanks, appologize for that

Don't sweat it.

**edit**

Just for the record–if you make and thread and mysteriously disappears, that's a good sign that it should not have been made in the first place.

[limitless_euphoria]

Someone I know, many, many years ago went to the denist and they had just started using a computer program that printed scripts on regular paper (no special watermark or anything). This person had gotten a script for I think 10 vike 5's or something just by showing the dude a gangly tooth or something. Well they used a home copier/scanner/printer/fax to make copies and cropped 'em down with a paper trimmer.

When they showed me the finished products, OMG, theirs actually looked better than the original (the original was cut funny as it was done by the dentist's assistant I guess). So, they went to a bunch of pharms that weren't linked up and ended up wtih nearly 60 vikes. This person turned around and sold them for like $3-4 each and got at least 3+ bundles of good dope. BTW: this really wasn't me or Fred or anything like that. My balls are big but not THAT BIG.

But now, if I were to ask this person NOWADAYS if they would do this (I don't even know if they're still alive--they could've ODed) I'm sure the answer would be HELL NO. This was back in the day just before the media started sensationalizing OxyContin abuse and all that. Something says pharms probably check Rx-es from dentists with much more dilligence than when this little stunt was pulled off. I should also add that this was so long ago even if the law came to my front door demanding info it's beyond the statute of limitations.

Bottom line, way back when, if you were that desperate--fordging scripts might be a calculated risk. Nowadays, "Fuh-GED-aboudit!"

I think the sentence could be up to 10 years for fordging a script--don't quote me but it's food for thought.

[at&t]

Nothing useful to add, I'm afraid...... Its not my thread and really nothing to do with me, so maybe I shouldn't say anything, but I just wanted to mention that I liked Dr. Bronyraur's very succinct way of putting it: "if your thread should suddenly disappear, the problem is probably something other than that you just need to try reposting it."

I just really wanted to say that-- Y'all mods/admins really work just so hard on this thing...... While I'm sure its something of a labor of love for you guys, at the same time, I, myself, and Lots of other people (members, lurkers/future-members, casual-google-searchers, etc) have all benefited greatly from Opiophile's existence, and, really, Its all thanks to you guys' constant tireless never-ending efforts at Keeping it and Protecting it and so on, that we are all able to have this great resource...

I'm sure there is a better place that I could put this-- (rather than in the middle of someone's thread-- sorry, xannyman... :(,) but I just wanted to say... Thank you guys... and also, briefly, that I honestly feel sorry every time I log in (just about daily) that I STILL-- after years of benefiting from the site's being here-- still haven't managed to send even Any money to help try to defray a tiny little bit of you guys' costs... (I'm Unbelievable broke to Hell at the moment, but.... well. you know what I mean...)


Anyway... Back to the topic at hand: ("Swim found a script on the ground. And gave it to me. Should I use it?")

Even in this Modern Day and Age, I Still know a couple guys that manage to get by with relatively sophisticated script-forgeries..... (The last of a (rapidly) dying breed, I suppose..) To me, that really seems to take... I don't know... someone had said 'Balls,' someone had said 'Lapse of intelligent thinking,' etc... Probably all of the above.

They seem pretty casual about it... Like someone on a long winning streak at russian roulette might start to think "Hey... I'm pretty good at this game! You know... I guess that it's maybe more of an art than a science, but I'm doing good so far, with all this practice..."

One of them has done some relatively clever shit-- involving faking caller ID, doing all sorts of stuff... but.... I hope he knows that its just a matter of time....

Anyway... to the OP: Good for you for throwing that thing away! Those things are Deadly Dangerous. Especially and specifically these days. ALSO-- to the OP and everyone else: sorry for sort of maybe rambling on too long..... :(

Cheers all, at&t

[bronyraur]

Nothing useful to add, I'm afraid...... Its not my thread and really nothing to do with me, so maybe I shouldn't say anything, but I just wanted to mention that I liked Dr. Bronyraur's very succinct way of putting it: "if your thread should suddenly disappear, the problem is probably something other than that you just need to try reposting it."

I just really wanted to say that-- Y'all mods/admins really work just so hard on this thing...... While I'm sure its something of a labor of love for you guys, at the same time, I, myself, and Lots of other people (members, lurkers/future-members, casual-google-searchers, etc) have all benefited greatly from Opiophile's existence, and, really, Its all thanks to you guys' constant tireless never-ending efforts at Keeping it and Protecting it and so on, that we are all able to have this great resource... <snip>

Thank you.

Some days it's a labor of love, and some days it's a fucking headache.

But the positives outweigh the negatives. I can only imagine how many people have been helped in some way by this site. There are other opiate sites out there, but they deal more so with the chemistry side of things. I feel that we're the best "general knowledge" opiate site there is.

[skc74]

I'm not sure about in the usa,but in the uk now,the only people who can fuck about with scripts now( with dr's id numbers on it,it being computerised,and with all scripts being sent to amain clearing house to check costing and for fraud/forgeries)are doctors themselves or those who work closely with doctors-and indeed it seems when it comes to controlled drugs they are the ones who nowadays always get caught,the days of someone stealing a blank script and filling it in for whatever are long gone-sadly,which is probably why theyre not too bothered about leaving blank ones lying around anymore.

[Euphoricgirl]

Don't even think about it. No, the scripts the docs don't usually see again, but believe me.....don't do it... Been there, long time ago, wasn't pretty....paid the price....shred that baby.

[InfectedMushroom]

Just agreeing with everybody else. You might get away with it, but if you already have some good meds coming in, don't fuck with it. Anybody else who is thinking about it, you really don't need that kinda BS that will follow when you get caught.

[xannyman]

Like I said before, thanks everyone for your advice! I did shred the script after realizing how much trouble I could get in and it just isn't worth it. Thanks again everyone!

[Deadfiend]

I really don't think "considering" anything is breaking any kind of law. Hay when did thinking "THINKING" becomeAgainst the Law That would never happen in the old U.S. of A.!!!lol......

OH Shit.....That's right
homeland security bill 2002.
Were are all fucked always, and alwasy will be unless WE do something about it..........

[More Feen]

The way I remember things working back in the States, at a certain level of Scheduling (C-II for sure, maybe even C-III) the pharmacy was required to contact the doctor's office where the script originated.

Maybe at C-IV level, they aren't require to make contact.

I believe the pharmacies are also required to match the dr.'s name to their DEA #. Unless one had any idea how to make a convincing-looking fake number (how many digits? are there any letter involved? are there hyphen required at certain places?).

I just read that you've shredded the script--I truly hope so. Even if you personally do nothing with the script, but some bum finds it in your trash and tries to score with it, it could possibly lead back to you.

PO-lice: "Where'd ya' get the script druggy?"
Druggy (water-soaked towel is removed from his mouth to facilitate answer): "I gots it froms the garbage cans at 87654 Mockinbirds Drives."
PO-lice: "Very intersting...."
Po-lice (to deputy): "Check and see if that Doctor on the script has any patients living at 87654 Mockingbird Drive."

Later that evening: A loud, incessant knocking is heard at the front door....

M F

[JayTrizzle]

the ONLY way to go about this these days (and believe me, back in Kansas City this was how the majority of street oxy came out, with these places eventually being shut down for incompetence/accessory), is to get the script at a doctor's office that uses STAMPS, or from a doctor's PA who writes scripts in the docs name. My PA (i love the guy so i would never do this, just saying feasably i COULD) is a little absent minded, AND he has all of his scripts on his script pad PRE-STAMPED with the docs signature and DEA number. Now, how did those guys get passed the pharmacy calling the doc's office to verify? They didn't go to wal-greens, jackass. They go to any small private pharmacy WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, NOT in the SUBURBS, and mostly went to ones that were supposed to be bilinugual but were obviously straight up spanish speaking Pharmacias. Those places NEVER call, I know because I used to take the one of these dudes to fill his scripts cuz he used to give me half a bottle for free for taking all around the city (plus he was my boy dealer at the time, like I'm gonna NOT do him favors), and he ALWAYS went to xxx Pharmacia FIRST, and if that didn't work than he'd go to the private pharmacies waaaaaaay into the ghetto, where you can tell that people try to rob the place constantly and the pharmacist is happy that someone white with a legit (haha) script is in there, and a lot of those guys, if they ask questions, can be persuaded with an extra benjamin. Still a stupid idea, and i would NEVER do it, EVER, ESPECIALLY if I already got scripts like that, because any legit pharmacy would be asking why you are getting two scripts for the same thing from the same doc, but i just thought that I would shed some light as to how this DOES happen these days.

[DCBA]

More Feen (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=5558) ^^
LoL great interrogation..

[Chemical_Boy]

I knew this chick in Jersey who pulled of this stuff for a while with stolen script pads. Then she went to jail for six months even though her rich parents got her an expensive lawyer....

I wouldn't even consider it. It WILL end badly. good choice on shredding the script.

[Deadfiend]

You cant think of it that way, do I have anything to lose other then being locked down for a few....free meals x3 a day and a place to sleep, and your never far from home if it don't work, good times if it does work.

[jcmanny]

the ONLY way to go about this these days (and believe me, back in Kansas City this was how the majority of street oxy came out, with these places eventually being shut down for incompetence/accessory), is to get the script at a doctor's office that uses STAMPS, or from a doctor's PA who writes scripts in the docs name. My PA (i love the guy so i would never do this, just saying feasably i COULD) is a little absent minded, AND he has all of his scripts on his script pad PRE-STAMPED with the docs signature and DEA number. Now, how did those guys get passed the pharmacy calling the doc's office to verify? They didn't go to wal-greens, jackass. They go to any small private pharmacy WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, NOT in the SUBURBS, and mostly went to ones that were supposed to be bilinugual but were obviously straight up spanish speaking Pharmacias. Those places NEVER call, I know because I used to take the one of these dudes to fill his scripts cuz he used to give me half a bottle for free for taking all around the city (plus he was my boy dealer at the time, like I'm gonna NOT do him favors), and he ALWAYS went to xxx Pharmacia FIRST, and if that didn't work than he'd go to the private pharmacies waaaaaaay into the ghetto, where you can tell that people try to rob the place constantly and the pharmacist is happy that someone white with a legit (haha) script is in there, and a lot of those guys, if they ask questions, can be persuaded with an extra benjamin. Still a stupid idea, and i would NEVER do it, EVER, ESPECIALLY if I already got scripts like that, because any legit pharmacy would be asking why you are getting two scripts for the same thing from the same doc, but i just thought that I would shed some light as to how this DOES happen these days.

Damn, that's one nice taxi fee! I've know several people that have been busted doing the ole' magic script act. One worked at the doctors office and the only thing that happened to her was the lose of her job! Some people are born with a teflon coating.

[Duckfeet]

I've know 2 or three people who did this over the years, and every one of them eventually got nailed...pharmacists know, sometimes they are just too busy to fuck w/it...the *real* problem--just like pulling armed robberies--is that you might get away with it...and then I can guarantee you'll eventually do it again, as the fear factor gets lessened...We've had countless threads on here in this same vein...it's a bad move...when I do shit like that--and I used to burglarize drugstores--I have to be *totally* prepared to go do a few years, and that's the only way real criminals operate...those who don't, when they *do* get busted, always always always snitch...they just "can't do that much time, etc..."

Unless you are prepared to start getting fine line tattoos, start looking at pretty boys, and eating lots of starch...I wouldn't do it....prison libraries suck, generally....

[sweetpain]

This is going to sound like a tall tale, but honest, it's true. Swim bought a script off this homeless person for 60 percs. Swim told me this person goes to his doc once a month, gets a script for back pain which he doesn't even have. Then he sells the script so he can go eat. Anyway, Swim drops the script in the rain and it gets all wet and the ink starts bleeding on the paper. So, Swim goes to the doctor's office that originally wrote the script and tells the receptionist what happened (of course leaving out the part about the Rx not being his) and could he please get another one.

She tells him to have a seat and is gone for about 15 minutes. By now, Swim is starting to wonder if this was a good idea, saying that just as he was about to leave, the lady comes out, apologizes for the wait and hands him a crisp new script for 60 percs.

I still can't believe he had the nerve to do this. Better still, I can't believe the doctor's office didn't ask for ID or something.

[EleusisII]

DEA numbers aren't a problem to get. If you can't find it through allmighty google, get a disposable cellphone, call the doctors office, and say that you're calling from Eleusis Save and Drugs regarding a script, blah blah blah, and could you please have the DEA number, thank you with sugar on top.

If you're like me and like risks and drugs, go ahead give it a shot with something less obvious, Ambien for example, at first.

Yeah, it's never 100% safe and foolproof, but then again, neither is copping off the streets. Read one of the many threads about this, theres lot's that you can, and should, do to minimize the risk of getting busted.

[More Feen]

DEA numbers aren't a problem to get. If you can't find it through allmighty google, get a disposable cellphone, call the doctors office, and say that you're calling from Eleusis Save and Drugs regarding a script, blah blah blah, and could you please have the DEA number, thank you with sugar on top.

If you're like me and like risks and drugs, go ahead give it a shot with something less obvious, Ambien for example, at first.

Yeah, it's never 100% safe and foolproof, but then again, neither is copping off the streets. Read one of the many threads about this, theres lot's that you can, and should, do to minimize the risk of getting busted.


Wow..., I like all of the creative ideas that I've seen on this thread! Many of those ideas--especially how to get a valid DEA #--are good and would likely work for a while.

If a homeless guy gave me his script for something good, I'd not bother trying to mess around with getting a new script. Just take the guy to a pharamcy, fill his Rx, then buy him a Large Mic for a reward.

M F

[AGV10]

As others have said, the penalties are severe – really severe: in the USA I believe it’s a federal offence, in the UK … well, we don’t have federal versus state, but that don’t make it any less an offense – it is also a big time offense in the UK.

SWIM has some “helpful” insight on this subject .... so, if its something you have considered in the past, suggest you read on and get some insight into some of the real-world issues you will need to bear in mind:

The one rule is – make sure you don’t leave your fingerprints all over it. Would the Fed’s in any event go to that effort? In the case of a one off – probably no, but I know for a fact they do “process” c/f and forged prescriptions when a pattern starts to develop. Still, keep ya prints off.

Some guidelines (emphasize on the word some - its by no means an A-Z guide):

1) Get the terminology correct – in the UK that means the following:
- drug name must be written first, to be followed by the form (i.e. capsule, pill, liquid .. or whatever)
- the strength of the medication (e.g. Oramorph Concentrate 10mg/ml, or Oxycontin 40mg)

Note – the total quantity to be dispensed is defined later

2) The above defines the medicine – the next part defines what the patient should take and how often:

- Take 1 capsule/1 tablet (or whatever) twice a day or BID (BID is med talk for take twice a day – all pharmacists know exactly what it means)

3) Lastly the total amount to be dispensed – and this is usually/often written in words and figures - e.g. One (1) x Two Hundred & Fifty ml (250ml) bottle.


In reality, you’ll find its mostly new graduate medics that follow the layout to the book, whereas long time practising docs tend to slip into a pattern of sorts – just so long as it contains all the above – and this is where most forgers slip up: they present a forged script, filled out 100% correctly, at a local pharmacy! The problem is, local pharmacists tend to recognise not only the hand writing of local doctors, but the language style/terminology, abbreviations, format and patterns that local docs slip into over the years. After all, they handle his or her prescriptions by the handful on a daily basis – one that doesn’t fit the pattern they have sub-consiously come to associate with a particular medic, will trigger a red-flag warning – and all it takes is a “hang on a sec – need to check the locked stockroom” kind of statement, to slip round the corner and make that life changing phone call!

So, forget the above guidelines and add another rule to rule one:

- do not present a forged or stolen prescription to any of the pharmacies around the doc’s practise – you’re asking to be caught.

There are loads of precautions to take and the things that trigger alarm bells with an experienced pharmacist – one other is, don’t present a CDP (controlled drug prescription) by its self. Nothing wrong with it per say, but things look more plausible if its presented with a non CDP, say for some strong steroid/anti-inflammetry (the 2 go together well), or Gabapentin, or whatever else. Don’t present a CDP for a high dosage/large quantity out of town that’s a week or 2 old, without a ready story to go with (e.g. “Hi – can you fill this for please – I didn’t have time to get it from my usual before catching the plane” – if you had it week before, you had time to get it filled!), don’t present a high dosage/strong CDP for both a modified release capsule/pill with a immediate release liquid, or capsule/pill on it, unless you understand the relative dosing e.g. practise in the USA and UK is to combine break through analgesic control with modified release at a rate of arrpox 1/3 to ½ the modified release dosage (on a equi-dosage/relative strengths basis) – a CDP for Oxycontin 60mg (MR) will not be written/combined with Oxynorm 60mg (it doesn’t make sense and most pharmacists will recognise that …… an dlast but not least, don’t mix MO with Oxy – I have never met a doc that combines the 2 (in any relative strength), don’t mix statements like “only been using the stuff for a month if the CDP is for 100mg tab’s – 100mg tab suggests opiate tolerance, which doesn’t happen over a period of a few weeks - well, I guess in theory it could, but in practise its mighty unusual for doc’s to start someone off in the first month without round the clock monitoring on such a high dose (e.g. okay in hospital, not okay at home).

As for trying to pull this off in the UK on a stolen or forged NHS CDP – forget it, you’ll get blown out on the spot (the central prescribing data base is now national and real time i.e. CDP serial numbers are automatically allocated as the doc prints the CDP out from his pc – it is cross referenced when the pharmacist enters the serial number their side in the pharmacy).

Privately issued CDP’s in the UK are a little different – but you will at least have to know what serial numbers are on which prescriptions that were issued to which doctor, and you will have to know wheather or not the one you are forging or have stolen or have copied has, or has not been used by him!

… actually, I could go on and on and on – best advice SWIM could offer: don’t go down that path: the risks outweigh the benefits – it just ain’t worth it.