Acetic Anhydride without morphine

[FreshPow]

If one had acetic anhydride but no morphine, could it still be useful to synthesize anything? I doubt it would work on any of the -codones but what about codeine?

[Mayo]

so, what about codeine? you want to make diacetylcodeine? pointless waste of AA.
codeine being a prodrug converted to active form in the liver, right?

[More Feen]

Well, if you have any willow bark/salicylic acid you wish to turn into aspirin--you have all the ingredients you need. If you toss in some calcium carbonate afterwards, you can make buffered aspirin.

Also, you can acetylate some cellulose to make cellulose acetate--used to create a base film for photography/cinematography. But with the preponderance of digital photography now-a-days, and the easy availability of pre-made photographic film already coated with light-sensitive silver nitrate emulsion (for the die-hard, old-school photographers), it wouldn't be worth your while--except if you do it just for shits-n-gigs.

Honestly, just having AA around can be a hastle: it stinks, its flammable, its caustic, and depending on which country you're in, having it in your possession can be prosecutable (intent).

One might consider getting rid of it until such a time as it could be useful, even then, it should be done quickly!

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[FreshPow]

Yeah, it seems that I might have to get the morphine for it to be any good. Is it possible to acylate Oxycodone or Hydrocodone to create a more powerful derivative?

[Paregoric Kid]

if you had hydrocodone you could make thebacon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thebacon
could probably acetylate dihydrocodeine, oxycodone.
acetylmorphone (dihydromorphinone acetate) is made from hydromorphone.

[havok]

if you had hydrocodone you could make thebacon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thebacon
could probably acetylate dihydrocodeine, oxycodone.
acetylmorphone (dihydromorphinone acetate) is made from hydromorphone.

Is acetylmorphone any good? If it is like the difference between morphine and heroin that would make it pretty good. I have never heard of anyone making acetylmorphone however. How potent is it compared to just straight hydromorphone?

[FreshPow]

Will adding AA to Oxycodone add a acetyl group and make it much stronger? Simply adding Oxycontin to AA wouldn't work right? You'd have to remove the wax binders, then completely dry to remove water and then add AA plus heat?

Finding out how its done with morphine then replicating it substituting oxy might work. But I dont know how its done with morphine and AA. Any ideas/suggestions?

[northernstar]

Will adding AA to Oxycodone add a acetyl group and make it much stronger? Simply adding Oxycontin to AA wouldn't work right? You'd have to remove the wax binders, then completely dry to remove water and then add AA plus heat?

Finding out how its done with morphine then replicating it substituting oxy might work. But I dont know how its done with morphine and AA. Any ideas/suggestions?


lol UTFSE

the most rookyest version swive seen was to mix pure morphine+AA in a spoon, wrap in a layer of tight foil and put in the oven at 250 for about half hour....excess AA (reeking) will evap away. H will be left. this is in principle the real process....only scaled down and without co-solvent.

randomly acetylating things is not exactly wise....expecaily if swiyou dont know whats in there ( swiyour not going to get some pills you have down to lab grade purity......what will acetylation do with those binders and fillers?

if you got hard on to make something get swims hands on codine phosphate.....its weak but getable. then work that up with more common chems into oxycodone or convert with NaBr4 to morphine.

alernatly swimyou could prob trade the AA for a crapload of oxys or morphs or even H. hint: its more valuable to tweekheads....or rather the cooks that serve the tweekheads. those kind of people would jack a hospital for all the fentanyl in surgury for a few crumbs of what AA could get them......LOL

[JayTrizzle]

lol. yeah, buy a bunch of red phosphorous and find the rest of the red and black recipe for meth online. make a bunch of meth and make enough money to fund your habit.

[ryan]

If you can get your hands on some pyridine you can turn codeine into morphine.
And then M + AA = H...as you already know

Here's some good reading:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/codeine.homebake.labs.html

[Papa Verine]

I want some AA.

Where'd you get it?

[FreshPow]

Ya SWIM just got his hands on the AA knowing little about it other than its opiate usage. He knows a guy legit-ly making aspirin for god knows what reason. Swim been thinking about rewashing his mexican shit H tar with AA to purify/make it stronger. The unrefined M could be turned back to H.

Alternatively swim thought about your codeine Idea. Tho swim would used poppy pods and the like to get some M in there too. However he has read about codeine turning into 6MAC with AA. 6MAC is toxic and nobody wants that.

Yes I really do have the hard on to make something. Its the novelty of it that get me. And I got no one to trade it with anyway

[Morphus]

Acetic anhydride is not used to manufacture methamphetamine so I dunno what tweakers would want to do with it. The two most common routes are red phosphorous/iodine and pfed, or anhydrous ammonia/lithium and pfed.

[JayTrizzle]

oh i guess it is anhydrous ammonia, not acetic anhydride

[northernstar]

Acetic anhydride is not used to manufacture methamphetamine so I dunno what tweakers would want to do with it. The two most common routes are red phosphorous/iodine and pfed, or anhydrous ammonia/lithium and pfed.


lol acetic anhydride+phenylacetic acid=phenylacetone AKA p2p
p2p+methylamine=meth

lol its the original way the bikers churned out tons of racemic meth before getting banned.
might have been the first chems the DEA cracked down on back in the 70's

made better shit then any of those modern pill routes......
two seconds on google would have told you that

it can also turn propionic acid into propionic anhydride ( fentanyl use) and benzoic acid into benzoic anhydride ( better benzylation of ecgonine esters) vis Anhydride transference reactions.

most people who know anything know pills are a dying breed and old p2p routes are the way of the furure.

[Morphus]

I stand corrected!

[FreshPow]

Swim has decided upon the poppy pod-->morphine-->H direction.

Using recipies he was found online, he will try this out when the pods come. Hell get pic of each step to make his own recipie w/pics. Till next time...