I need extra oxys

[EleusisII]

when I'm WDing.

Anyone else feel that way?

Say for example 100mg usually gets me high. But after 24 hours without any, nose running, back aching, I need a good extra 50-100 mg to get really well. As if my junkie-machine needs a little extra fuel after being shut down.

I guess the explanation is just that when I'm on a run, I keep adding to the amount I have in my system, no?

[Dan Steely]

your explanation sounds about right but there may be more to it than that as well. Hows that for a response that offers pretty much no help whatsoever?:rolleyes:

Love the title though. It practicly forces ones brain to say "yeah no shit me too!":D

[Duckfeet]

I know...but there is nothing in the world better than getting well when we are sick, in my experience, and I actually don't find I need more, but I sure appreciate dope when I find it, on those cold kicking days...I think Burroughs or somebody once wrote that we don't really understand this way of life until we are kicking and get well...that's why normal people always look at us strange when we talk about it...like "getting well" is something to get excited about? If you're dopesick it damn sure is....

[chemiKalz]

It sure is something to get excited about! Nothing beats being completeley sick one second and sky high the next, NOTHING>

[God_Albino]

when im well into a sick, yeah, it takes more to get well than to stay well, no doubt.

after cold turkeying on fent for maybe 48 hours (more or less who knows), i finally got an emergency script, was eating oxy 20s like candy and when i had the chance smoked most of a 75 patch as fast as possible, and something still just felt 'wrong'.

i had a fairly low tolerance then too, one or two done a day would keep me well enough, maybe a bump of oxy in the morning.

[ariesss]

odd i usually do about 120mg of oxy a day but if i'm WDing and get my hands on just 1 60 and do it I feel better instantly. i may not be super high but just the fact that i went from feeling like shit to good is almost a high on its own.

[Indy]

I think it's because when you're already well, you already have a certain level of the drug in your system. When you're withdrawing, you have next to none in your system, so to bring you to the same point, it takes more. It's the same with me, BUT if i've been withdrawing long enough, the reduction in tolerance more than makes up for the low blood-level of my DOC, and it takes the same or even less to get high.

[insanesteveo]

i was just about to say that indy.

i noticed this a lot more when i was using pods.

[Duckfeet]

I can *do* a lot more when I'm sick, probably just for biological reasons...but I've been sick on heroin, and found that even a "wet cotton" sometimes will get me right...like most kicking junkies, I have my own little superstitions, based on nothing but personal experience...Mine is if that when I an withdrawing, it can be kind of miserable for about a week...*but* if I get a fix around day two, which is usually worst day, and I get just enough to get well...that I don't go back to kicking again...I've believed in this for many many years...

The trouble is, I have no self-control when I'm kicking, and if I know where to score, or have something stashed...I'll be back in dopeland, long before day two gets here....

[Raz]

I know...but there is nothing in the world better than getting well when we are sick, in my experience, and I actually don't find I need more, but I sure appreciate dope when I find it, on those cold kicking days...I think Burroughs or somebody once wrote that we don't really understand this way of life until we are kicking and get well...that's why normal people always look at us strange when we talk about it...like "getting well" is something to get excited about? If you're dopesick it damn sure is....

Tell me about it....Anytime i been in prison and a group a junkies are sittin around just shootin da shit, the best stories are always about how far ya went to cop ya gear while incarcerated...Like jumpin over da dock to da public gallery, coz ya mrs is sittin there wiv an eigth in her cheek just waitin for dat "special kiss"....

Man those stories are always wats gettin talked about in prison, especially on remand, no bail....The ol melted gear under da stamp(postage stamp) worked well for a long time, untill some fuckin idiot got his wife to try and send one. Fuckin idiot put about a gram under a stamp on a b/day card....Sad to say dat was da end of da rd for dat little move....

[Duckfeet]

When I was in Orange County jail, knowing I was going to prison, just waiting on sentencing after a couple of months, one of my cellies mentioned that I had a "good" judge, and that if I acted right, he might let my girlfriend marry me, and california has/had conjugal visits, and if you wait until you are already in prison to get married, it takes months...so when I go up to court that week, I jumped up and said "Your honor, could I please marry my girlfriend," and he smiled and said yes...and gave me a 5-to-life and five minutes uncuffed...

My girl got hold of a pastor--which was required--and he came into court, and right after my sentencing, the judge had my handcuffs took off, and I got to trot down out of the prisoner seats and this guy married us...and unexpectedly--to me, anyway--she puts her arm around me to kiss me, and I figure I'm just being kissed, but she holds on to my neck, and pushes a balloon in my neck...

Good old Mary, she wasn't even a junky, never shot up dope in her life...stood by me thru prison, never missed a visit, worked....That's what I call a *good* girl...spoiled the shit out of me, and after she was gone, I got the other kind of girl....

Now getting hold of a syringe in jail is probably even harder than getting hold of dope...that's another story...some 18th St. gang cellie of mine, name of Puppet came thru w/the spike...


Tell me about it....Anytime i been in prison and a group a junkies are sittin around just shootin da shit, the best stories are always about how far ya went to cop ya gear while incarcerated...Like jumpin over da dock to da public gallery, coz ya mrs is sittin there wiv an eigth in her cheek just waitin for dat "special kiss"....

Man those stories are always wats gettin talked about in prison, especially on remand, no bail....The ol melted gear under da stamp(postage stamp) worked well for a long time, untill some fuckin idiot got his wife to try and send one. Fuckin idiot put about a gram under a stamp on a b/day card....Sad to say dat was da end of da rd for dat little move....

[fassbinder]

I can *do* a lot more when I'm sick, probably just for biological reasons...but I've been sick on heroin, and found that even a "wet cotton" sometimes will get me right...like most kicking junkies, I have my own little superstitions, based on nothing but personal experience...Mine is if that when I an withdrawing, it can be kind of miserable for about a week...*but* if I get a fix around day two, which is usually worst day, and I get just enough to get well...that I don't go back to kicking again...I've believed in this for many many years...

The trouble is, I have no self-control when I'm kicking, and if I know where to score, or have something stashed...I'll be back in dopeland, long before day two gets here....

EXACTLY. If I'm sick and I get a little better on day 2 - enough to get some sleep at least, then I usually wake up feeling okay. This always works for me too. I think this is more than a superstition. I think I would rather do it this way than a "quick" taper.

[roxi*stardust]

when I'm WDing.

Anyone else feel that way?

Say for example 100mg usually gets me high. But after 24 hours without any, nose running, back aching, I need a good extra 50-100 mg to get really well. As if my junkie-machine needs a little extra fuel after being shut down.

I guess the explanation is just that when I'm on a run, I keep adding to the amount I have in my system, no?

I totally agree with you. It seems like if I'm in w\d and then get my script I have to at least double my first dose to get "there". I thin you're on the right track about it being out of your system but when you're taking it routinely it builds up on top of the dose before.

[runormal]

Yeah I would totally agree with this... for me it would take about 3 days for the oxy to build in my system where I really feel good when I would use it. I know when I would use after being in WD that my high only would feel like 50 or 75% there I can't really explain it other than it felt "incomplete."

[Restharrow]

I only feel * good * about 5 or 6 days per month. The other days I take about 1/2 to 3/4 of my prescribed daily dose.

When I went thru the WD cycles on a regular basis, it only took about one fourth of my daily dose to get "well".

I have not gone thru a full blown WD in about 5 years -- the flip side is I only feel "slightly good" a few days per month. But if I am starting WD, just a small amount of my pain meds cures it.

I take most of my pain meds during the day and take Loperimide and xanax at bedtime. I keep a small morning dose of pain med. by my bed and usually wake up around 5:00 A.M. feeling "sick".

I am probably a lot older than most here and when I turned 50, I decided to get it under control and have done fairly well at it.

I miss the good old days, but I do not miss the constant anxiety about having enough pain meds.

[libertine]

If I am sick, it usually takes a lot *less* to get me well again, like it's always amazed me how some tiny amount of tar stuck to the inside of the cellophane of a pack of cigarettes has gotten me, not high, but well, or how on day 3, I've gotten a percocet and actually felt good for a couple of hours, with a half gram of dirty a day habit...

[norseman]

I have noticed this as well. I think it is even more evident when you are maintaining on a long acting opi. If I go into withdrawal I definitely need more just to get well, then after a few days and you have stabilized you are able to reduce the intake.

My best guess as to what is going on is; the receptors are used to a certain level or baseline of stimulation which I guess we would call our tolerance. So if we let the levels fall well below that baseline then we have that much further to go, to get right again. I think this is more and more evident as you develop a higher and higher tolerance.

Hope that makes sense.

[insaneike]

The exact opposite for me man... When I'm sick for a day then the magic opis come back to me I need less than I would have if I was still on my regular schedule.. Esp with m'done!

I think it's mores so because I'm used to that same opiated feelings 24/7 then the last 1-3days of the month is pure painful hell and then the next day when I get my opis it's kaboom! Best I've felt all month! Like on the avg. day I take around 160-200mg m'done with half a 5mg fent patch foiled througought the day with the usual 4 roxis. Then on that day after the sickness damn 140-150mg m'done, 3 roxi 30s, and like less than 1/10th of a 5mg patch gets me BLISTED! Like big time. and those doses on the day after sickness are like nothing compared to what I normally need.
But sadly, after just 2-3days I need the usual doses again :(

but still, oh god do I love refill days becaue of this now!!! and actually I'm pretty bad off right now, the last 2days I have had very small amounts of opis, barely enough to stay well, let alone help my pain, so tomorrow I'ma be soooo fucking happy and a bit noddy :cloud9:

[pizzaboy]

I know...but there is nothing in the world better than getting well when we are sick, in my experience, and I actually don't find I need more, but I sure appreciate dope when I find it, on those cold kicking days...I think Burroughs or somebody once wrote that we don't really understand this way of life until we are kicking and get well...that's why normal people always look at us strange when we talk about it...like "getting well" is something to get excited about? If you're dopesick it damn sure is....

Man, you said a mouthful.

I'm in a good spot with my addiction right now, but in the past there were hundreds of times of feeling close to death one minute and turning cartwheels the next.

I have a long ride to get to my contacts. 2 hours one way....hating life. The ride back always was a joy though.

[Uncle Wiggly]

It may be the minority opinion but I"m going with Libertine and Ike. When I've been "sick" it takes me much less to feel well. My theory is that all the stuff has cleared out of my system so it doesn't take as much for me to feel the effects.

*This is purely from my own experience and not in any way based on science but that's always been the case for me.