Watson 100's, a question about the time matrix

[PhoenixRisen]

Is there a way to break down just the extended release part of the pill? I know it's not like oxy, so just crushing it up or peeling the top coating work right? How would I go about turning an ER into an IR?


Side question : If you don't have a syringe, what would a good way to plug be? I've never done it..

[OxiContinKing]

Dont know about breaking the time release mechinism, but as far as what to use in place of a syringe, you could use an empty (rinsed out, of course) eye dropper, or a medicine dropper (that come with some kid medicines and other types of medicines), umm, a squeeze bottle of some sort, im drawing a bunch of blanks right now but ill edit and post more as i can think of them. sorry, hope it helps a little, atleast maybe gettin your brain thinkin on the right track...

[PhoenixRisen]

Thanks man, but I might have just got something... one part unused douche, one part end tip of enema bag.... I'm going to photograph this when I can, cuz it's some macguyver shit.....

One last question, will plugging an mscontin work well even though it's bound to wax? the BA should be almost double... right?

[Uncle Wiggly]

Opiates and Opioids Bioavailability & Half-life (http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=23643)

[PhoenixRisen]

I'm going to check that out of course... but... yes or no would be more helpful off the bat..

[OxiContinKing]

ohh come on you macguyver'd a device to stick up your poop shoot so i know your not afraid to get your hands dirty, just do a little diggin around...

lol...

not trying to be an ass, just saying, you probably could have had your 'yes or no' answered by now...

I dont have a clue man sorry Im of no more help.

[Uncle Wiggly]

It's a sticky right on the Pharmaceutical forum. It gives info on oral, rectal, half-life and most of what you're looking for. This will better enable you to make an informed decision based on your knowledge your own tolerance and other physiological data that you know better than any one else. Plus it's a good read.

I don't have a lot of plugging experience with MS Contin. Probably best to hit up the search engine unless some one comes along who can give out more detailed info. Or as OCK said," Just do a little diggin around." Good luck.

[PhoenixRisen]

Oxy man... I can see us being good friends.. Your avatar hits a chord with me every time I see it... I'm a huge Nirvana fan... I mean if I had to pick between my drug of choice and his music... well music is my DOC... n/m...

Anywhoo... I was kind of being a bit of a douche ( ^_^ )
Not trying to be difficult or burn bridges....


I ate 5 100 mg ms er last night, and so today I take some soma and some dilaudid, but I think to myself... 2 of these won't do shit... (wish I would have thought about the D 'fore it was down my throat)

Fixed up this douche/enema bag...

At first I wasn't sure, because the fluid wasn't draining, and if I squeezed too hard, some would start to leak, which freaked me out. I couldn't see how much I'd lost and, it went this direction for about a minute, until I just kind of extended my feet vertical and lean back onto my neck, and then it just drained away very quickly. I jumped up and looked to see how much liquid I'd lost, and it turns out it was not alot. Got up to clean up everything... and it hit me pretty fucking fast.... now I'm really starting to feel it... in the future I'll have to tape of wherever the leak was, but otherwise this worked well.... I'm gonna try Lady D next time.

[StackBundles]

Yo...If you wanna get all of your morph into a relatively clean solution...

Crush the pill as fine as you can.

Put it into a spoon.

Add 100mls of cold water.

Mix well.

Drop a large cotton ball into the "mixture".

Draw up solution with whatever you are using, oral syringe or hypodermic needle.

You determine the next step.

Remember...Always use clean shit, weather it's going in your arm or ass.

If you are planning on IVing the resulting solution, I recommend double filtering through a large cotton ball.

[PhoenixRisen]

I don't shoot anything up, and if you might have read as so far, I don't even have a syringe without needles, but no worries...


200 mg plugged, and I've been sitting in this chair nodding for about 2-3 hours

Contin has legs no matter what... but.. this one HIT me and still has legs..

[StackBundles]

"Contin" really has zilch to do with "legs" so to speak. It just denotes it's form of "bio-delivery". Contin being short for continuously.

I know you don't bang anything, I was just throwing that info out there in on G.P. so you or anyone else had it, you know, should one need to liquify their M.

[OxiContinKing]

I don't shoot anything up, and if you might have read as so far, I don't even have a syringe without needles, but no worries...


200 mg plugged, and I've been sitting in this chair nodding for about 2-3 hours

Contin has legs no matter what... but.. this one HIT me and still has legs..

Glad your gettin your nod on, and that your gadget worked for ya.

[PhoenixRisen]

I know what it means, please don't talk down to me. Legs has to do how long something keeps you fixed or opiated, in this case, distinguising morphine sulphate, and ms contin makes sense. Morphine usually effects me for about 4-5 hours, ms contin... 8-12 I know it has nothing to do with the actual chemical breakdown of morphine.... unless I miss the definition of "legs", why are you quibbling. I can understand just not caring... don't post if you have nothing to offer.

Today was one of the most intense Opio experiences I've had, thanks Papa Verine for getting me interested in the hydroM forum, and Oxi and Wiggly for the help, although uncle... that chart seemed to put a lot of chemicals at about the same BA, is that what the "+/-" was about... anyway... the delivery is much more available with the method I used today, never been so blasted on 2 100's and some somas.. I'm STILL a little opiated..

[OxiContinKing]

you never stop learning my friend...

i learn atleast a few things on here everyday...

thats the main reason I try and stay so active here...

as much drugs as we do, we have to do some kind of 'rebuilding', right?

And I dont think SB was trying to be an ass, just trying to 'inform' you, if you didnt already know, although, I can see how you might misconstrue his post.

[Uncle Wiggly]

I think the +/- has to do with varying responses of the individual due to different metabolisms, physiology and what-not. If you ever get the chance to ask Paregoric Kid he could tell you for sure. He's a pretty smart guy when it come to that kind of stuff.

I don't think SB was showing you any disrespect either. You've got to remember that when we're posting things on this board, especially how to stuff, it's not just the OP that will be reading it. It could be some one new to the whole scene so you want to get as comprehensive as you can. Harm reduction is the name of the game.:D

Glad you're having a good night.

[insanesteveo]

phoenix, you are the only one being a dick here. everyone else is just trying to help.

first you get snippy at wiggly for posting a link to the information you asked for.

then twice you jump all over SB, once for letting you know an easy way to get your morphine into a solution you could use, and then again for sharing some information with you.

you yell at him not to talk down to you as if he had any FUCKING clue that you already knew the info. and just because you have a different definition of "legs" doesnt mean yours is correct. in fact im pretty sure your definition is wrong.


now, i know when im really opiated i can get short with people. sometimes i become a dick on opiates, instead of alcohol, so i hope thats your case too and you really arent such a blatant asshole.

[StackBundles]

I wasn't "quibbling" dude. I either misread your post...or you edited it to read "Contin has legs no matter what...but...this one hit me hard", because I coulda' swore it originally stated: "Contin has no legs what so ever...but...this one hit me hard".

The second iteration making the most sense, which is why I highlighted the "but" in those statements, because your post, as it reads now, makes no sense, contextually. Which is why you got the response you did from me.

I wasn't trying to argue, or talk down, just trying to be helpful to everyone who read my post, including you.

If I'm correct, though, in my opening statement, that you went back and edited your post so you didn't seem misinformed, which I'm sure I am, you, indeed, look like a total douche-tard. If I'm wrong, sorry. I was genuinely trying to help.

[GetinLow]

Is there a way to break down just the extended release part of the pill? I know it's not like oxy, so just crushing it up or peeling the top coating work right? How would I go about turning an ER into an IR?


Side question : If you don't have a syringe, what would a good way to plug be? I've never done it..


I am pretty dang sure..... that peelin the coating off The MS Contin... has nothing to do with the " Time Matrix" .....is that what you were asking ? IME just sayin .....

............. GetinLow

[PhoenixRisen]

Alright... let's... jesus.. hmmm...

My original question was about...well..

I know it's not like oxy, so just crushing it up or peeling the top coating work right? How would I go about turning an ER into an IR?


Side question : If you don't have a syringe, what would a good way to plug be? I've never done it..

I made a mistake, I should have said "...top coating won't work, right?" That was a typo, completely my fault.

I don't know if you've ever heard me say, but I'm a needle pussy...except when they're pulling stuff out like blood... which feels strangely good.

I wasn't try to piss ANY one off or burn any bridges, I just felt like Stack didn't read my post well enough, although his cleaning method was helpful..

looking back my syntax was a little confusing, and I can understand why you thought what you thought. what I said was
Contin has legs no matter what... but.. this one HIT me and still has legs..

what I meant was that a regular MS Contin slowly breaks down in your gut because of the molecular binding. I used to take IR's so I know the general length of a straight morphine high. I meant that, despite being delivered in such a fashion, well from how it was intended, it hit me harder, and the legitimately "stoned" part of the trip wasn't even close compared to the night before where I ate 5 100's and the high didn't last more than say... 1 1/2 hours, and I wasn't even nodding.


I just meant that I thought busting the pill down and dissolving it might kill the length of time it usually effects me, but was pleasantly surprised by the legs that the MS ... retained I guess is the word.


So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, THANK YOU, everyone...

although stevo, all I said was "please don't talk down to me".

If I ever say that, it means I think someone is condescending. If they're not, they're not. I never called SB a dick, because we're all adults. If he was just trying to help, then I look like the asshole in the end.

I gather you're friends and you read the posts and gathered the same conclusion that uncle wiggly did. You say I'm "snippy" , a "dick" , and that I " yell at him not to talk down to you "

This is a written forum.. I think if we could hear each other we might be able to say something about volume, and especially tone. You assume way too much, and get way too angry. There was a communication breakdown, that's all. I'll admit I was wrong, but your post was inflammatory, even SB didn't react like you.

I understand that everyone can have a bad day, so I make no judgements about you based on what you said, even if it was disrespectful. The only reason I don't judge is because, obviously, I make mistakes myself; I say the wrong thing, or in the wrong way. I've made plenty in this subject alone, and there but for the grace of understanding human beings I didn't get into a flame war over something that doesn't matter.

(Oh and SB, you can check, or just take my word, I didn't edit my post to look more knowledgable, that really would have been a douchebag thing to do, You were genuinely helpful, and I really am sorry)

So... everyone, thanks for helping... sorry if I confused you, or offended you, we're all human.
Also SB, nice avatar, that movie is a classic.

Can we consider this subject closed?

[Uncle Wiggly]

Ain't no thang.

For some reason I think Fridays are the most volatile time on this board, Maybe because it's payday for most and they're either wasted or anxiously waiting for it to happen. :D

EDIT: I don't want to beat a dead horse but I do feel the need to say this. Most of the time if some one posts a question that can be answered with a search, the OP will get the UTFSE response.

So... while it didn't really bother me I was a little bit surprised when, after I had given you the appropriate link, you didn't thank me for it but told me you'd have rather had a yes or no answer. I realize from experience the search engine can be a bit of a bitch to use but practice makes perfect.

In light of all that, every one who responded to your post was really trying to help you - including insanesteveo. There's not a lot of mincing of words around here but you'd definitely know it if some one was really pissed at you. But, as I said before, "It's all cool."

[insanesteveo]

many apologies phoenix. i didnt sleep last night and ive been sober for about two weeks now.

im not friends with anyone posting here, i just misunderstood you because, like you said, you cant tell tone or volume over the internet. and i didnt mean to seem that mad, it just came out that way, it wasnt meant to be that mean, sorry. like you, i say the wrong thing a lot. i dont think my thoughts through, how they come into my head is how they come out of my mouth that very second.


now that i look back at the posts again, i stand by my opinion, i just feel i shouldnt have been so blunt and called people names. sorry. but phoenix, no matter how nice you say it, when you tell someone not to be condescending to you, its offensive, you are calling them condescending. and again, how is he supposed to know what information you have. if you didnt have the knowledge he told you, would you still call him condescending? and when wiggly gave you the link, you should THANK him for going to the trouble of getting you the link, not just blatantly ask for a yes or no.
im REALLY not trying to be a dick to you man, im just trying to help you, since i see you are pretty new. im sure you lurked for a bit, but still there are things you dont learn just lurking.

[PhoenixRisen]

All's well that ends well.