Anyone else like puffing during WD?

[scikid]

I swear, one of my favorite times to smoke herb is during withdrawal, provide the WD is from a pretty mild habit. When I smoke nowadays I can really only take a hit or two of herb at the most, otherwise it can get uncomfortable. The only time I smoke alot is when I am tanked.

I don't know what it is, but it is nice to be able to take a puff or two and have the WD nastiness step down a notch or two. I also get flashes of intense euphoria occasionally. I pretty much only like hash and indica strains nowadays, but the odd sativa or two is good.

[ryan]

I think weed makes withdrawal 10x worse, especially mentally..it's like it accelerates the anxiety \ racing thoughts..but I do know some people who say that it helps them.

BTW, "scikid" doesn't refer to scientology does it :confused::(

[Thebane]

Weed is the only thing I've found too really help with withdrawals. Then again I didn't use it with pod withdrawals, only with later, smaller habits. But it makes the physical pain and uncomfortableness just about go away, or at least distracts me from it so it seems like its gone. Also, anxiety was never a major problem for me in withdrawals, since I pretty much become a hermit, so this is only IME.

[Paregoric Kid]

there is references to the withdrawal suppressing effects of cannabis in the cannabis potentiator that is a sticky on this forum. good weed (and even not that great weed) can eliminate many wd symptoms I have and without opiates cannabis is one of the few non-opioid drugs that relieves alot of my wd symptoms, not all of course. I know some people are prone to anxiety with it and don't find it useful, if taken with an antianxiety agent maybe they might have a different experience. if you are one of the many people who do find benefit in using cannabis for wd and you had a light habit there is a good chance you could probably easily quit opiates through using cannabis alone.

[chopstix]

I think weed rocks for passing time in late stage wd, I agree it can make things worse early on if you're really sick but I think it's awesome in late stage for low level anxiety, sleep and to help keep the cravings down..

[chemiKalz]

sci-string cheese incident a band, not scientology.

I puff when I am in w/d but I puff all the time anyways, indicas seem to help the best, sativas are to stimulating. It mainly helps me with passing the time and helps leg pains a bit.

[scikid]

BTW, "scikid" doesn't refer to scientology does it :confused::(

Lol no, its a reference to a band I was into when I signed up for this site 4 years ago (time flies)

[ryan]

sci-string cheese incident a band, not scientology.


Ohh okay..you make a good point by saying diff kinds of weed can cause diff effects..

Since I am really not in the "weed game" anymore and can't pick and choose strains -- I have always wanted to try other cannabinoids (like the RC ones) recreationally (quite possibly there's ones that don't cause anxiety for me?) -- wonder how they would help in withdrawal also..

Also PGK: I've found that taking even very small amts of a benzo (like 5mg valium or .5mg alp) completely alieviate the anxiety causing effects of weed. Problem was (for me anyways) getting access to them.

[scikid]

Well SWIM only had a light pod habit and tapered on top of it (like he always does) so the W/Ds are more then manageable, just annoying. SWIM will also throw back a few beers tonight as well. He doesn't have access to benzos at all and doesn't need them really.

[duck]

One of my favorite things to do in WD is to smoke with my non-junkie buddies...helps me see the righteous and the good!

[hovadagod]

SWIM just fell off the kratom wagon and purchased 50 pods.

[scikid]

SWIM just fell off the kratom wagon and purchased 50 pods.

Try to just use the one box and save some at the end for tapering off. I have been able to limit myself, but the taper is essential IMO. It is more enjoyable to take a vacation once in awhile compared to constantly needing the stuff... IMO of course.

[hovadagod]

So you taper off the pods and don't feel like cutting your legs off?

[scikid]

I puff when I am in w/d but I puff all the time anyways, indicas seem to help the best, sativas are to stimulating. It mainly helps me with passing the time and helps leg pains a bit.

Yeah I puffed constantly for almost 10 years, it was just part of my routine. Like I said for whatever reason my tolerance to the stuff dropped big time. That is totally fine with me as I spend much much less on herb. I guess it may be part of getting older, cant take getting my mind blown. Back in the day when I had a heavier habit, I was smoking personal rillo (little blunts) to myself all the time. The opies took the anxiety away. I think part of it is my psychedelic years as well. I still enjoy the high for the most part but I'm not that much as into it as I used to be. The only time I ever want to puff anything is when I am done with work for the day or have the day off.

Anyways SWIM just picked up a really nice bag. It should last him quite some time too.

[SHELLEY]

i smoke weed every day
because of methadone withdrawal... or is it because its a good price?
who could say? blaze on...

[scikid]

So you taper off the pods and don't feel like cutting your legs off?

It lessens it, thats for sure. I think it lessens all effects actually, but moreso the physical stuff compared to the mental stuff. But I don't really crave or get that insanely depressed. Never really have. The key though is you really have to want to do it. Some guy I know is in a similar situation and even has a few pods right now, but he knows if he used them it would just make things worse for him.

I take sleeping pills (like two) the first few nights to knock me out. I will still wake up once in awhile, but I just flip on the tv, pop in a snus (kinda like chewing tobacco), and ride it out. Maybe drink a beer if its like 1 or 2 AM and I don't have to work.

It also helps to take plenty of OTC pain meds and maybe some immodium. If you like to drink have a few beers but not enough to get hungover.

[Papa Verine]

Smoking Cannabis helps me A lot during opiate withdrawals. It's a "must have" when I'm sick.

[hovadagod]

I always use the imodium but when I stop taking it I kick. I know how to get through it..just never had the will power and always have access to at least imodium or even some pods or subs. idk. Thanks for the tips. You chew those pouches of tobacco?

[pinn3d]

I have never been through a 'real' withdrawal, having not had a problem with supply since I began this habit nearly two years ago........but I would imagine that weed could be of some use, if used correctly...... I don't think I could just burn em down and expect to feel great....actually I think the weed might slow down your perception of time, and if your really sick, that would just plain suck......

Back when I used to use 2-3 times a week, smoking weed on my 'off' days was great! :) So I could see how someone in mild withdrawal could benefit from weed... it's like an overall tonic for your system....for me it kicks my digestion into gear, makes me feel warm, and chinky-eyed and content!

[scikid]

One thing I like about weed is when I do get relatively sober, just puffing herb and drinking beer, I'm able to limit myself to only smoking on the weekends. I can have stashes last for months. In all honesty, I'm only using opiates a few times a year at this point but when I get a supply I'm usually on them daily until they are gone. My last few runs have been a bit too close so I need to take some extra time off. Usually really easy for me to do in the summer.

[ryan]

...actually I think the weed might slow down your perception of time, and if your really sick, that would just plain suck......

Dude, that's EXACTLY how it was when I tried it when wd'ing..
It was like time slowed down, but my racing thoughts INCREASED..it was like an instant withdrawl potentiator lol.

[scikid]

I always use the imodium but when I stop taking it I kick. I know how to get through it..just never had the will power and always have access to at least imodium or even some pods or subs. idk. Thanks for the tips. You chew those pouches of tobacco?

If you have access to subs then you should be straight.

yeah I buy some snus every once in awhile.

I gotta admit I was at first very skeptical of people maintaining on immodium but now I am not. I've heard enough people talk about it to believe it.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Ohhh yeahhhh, ain't nothing like some good Sour Diesel or Master Kush during W/D. Get's my mind off of W/D/ Hell I smoked a bowl during W/D and watched a movie and totally forgot I was in DT :)

[lib.sOCialist]

ive found that any cannibinoid (APAP, THC, THCV) i can get in me helps out in W/D's, but i have an insanely hefty tolerance to marijuana (7-10 grams smoked daily) so if i dont continue to smoke through out the day the anxiety and depression seem to get worse then just being stone cold sober through W/D's.

but nothing beats immodium, that stuff is like working-class suboxone :P

[scikid]

but nothing beats immodium, that stuff is like working-class suboxone :P

I just took another one to see if it would help, it can't hurt. I am pretty cautious with the stuff because I am not trying to plug myself up too much if you not what I mean.

Also, you smoke a shit load... at my heaviest I was smoking like 1.5 to 2.0 grams a day. I have been smoking (not always daily) for... jesus.... 11 or 12 years.

[hovadagod]

I still blaze 1 gram/ day of high potency mj.
Edit.
I mean ... Swim

[scikid]

I still blaze 1 gram/ day of high potency mj.
Edit.
I mean ... Swim

Yeah I smoked at least a gram a day for years, granted while the herb I was getting was still pretty good, it wasn't close to what my friend can get today. He gets some one or two hit herb.

But 7 to 10 a day, unless you are smoking schwag that it a fortune. I know its cheaper in Canada and England (I have been to both) it still isn't all that cheap. More power to you Libertarian Socialist.

[hovadagod]

I used to smoke 2 grams a day and it was a fortune. We pay $20 gram around here for 1-2 hit shit. G-13 or Diesel or even kush is pretty good.

[sky1983]

The only time I enjoy smoking these days is when Im high on opiates. For me, smoking during WD's intensifies the anxiety. Also, nowadays, Im a 'one hit quit' kinda guy. I think its the way pot smoking should be. People smoke way too much (and I did too). If you have some decent herb, it wont take more than two to three hits to reach its full effect. Its just a waste of herb and tolerance to smoke bowl after bowl.

[hovadagod]

The only time I enjoy smoking these days is when Im high on opiates. For me, smoking during WD's intensifies the anxiety. Also, nowadays, Im a 'one hit quit' kinda guy. I think its the way pot smoking should be. People smoke way too much (and I did too). If you have some decent herb, it wont take more than two to three hits to reach its full effect. Its just a waste of herb and tolerance to smoke bowl after bowl.


Totally agree. I used to smoke until I passed out sometimes and I don't miss those days.

[sky1983]

Oh I used to spend waaaay too much money on the shit. Now, I can make an 8th last 2-3 weeks whereas I used to smoke an 8th a week easy. The problem is that the money Im saving on herb gets blown on other shit...

[scikid]

Totally agree. I used to smoke until I passed out sometimes and I don't miss those days.

Yup I remember like smoking a g or 2 in one session with a friend or maybe even myself. I don't see the point nowadays. I only like herb that requires 1 to 3 hits anyways.

Whatever though, some of my friends still puff alot more.

I just want to point out that I hated smoking during heavy WD. I try not to get to that point of using that would entail a heavy withdrawal nowadays though. Haven't for years actually.

[sky1983]

By the way SCIkid (totally off subject) I busted out my SCI the other day and I been listening to them like crazy. I love those guys. Every year around this time, when the weather starts getting warm I listen to them and they make me really happy. Just listened to a Galactic > Shine from 2000 and it was so good.

[hovadagod]

Yup I remember like smoking a g or 2 in one session with a friend or maybe even myself. I don't see the point nowadays. I only like herb that requires 1 to 3 hits anyways.

Whatever though, some of my friends still puff alot more.

I just want to point out that I hated smoking during heavy WD. I try not to get to that point of using that would entail a heavy withdrawal nowadays though. Haven't for years actually.

This is very funny...in health class they said that weed was a hallucinogen at high doses so when I first started smoking I used to smoke tons of joints in an effort to hallucinate before I was willing to try harder drugs (shrooms). Such a fool I was.

[fassbinder]

I just chip nowadays, but when I have opiate cravings and it's inconvenient, impractical, or impossible to score h or pills, then smoking pot REALLY helps me out. I quit using opiates on a daily (hourly) basis about 8 months ago, and for several months I was completely opiate free. Weed helped me then with depression, fatigue, motivation - a lot of PAWS symptoms. I don't smoke much though, if I smoke for no reason other than to get high, then I get paranoid, hypersensitive, unhappy - but if i use it only for more medicinal reasons then it is tremendously helpful and effective.

As for acute w/d symptoms, I think some of the previous poster are correct - If it's late in the game, and I have TV,a benzo or a 1 or 2 tramadol, and maybe an ambien then smoking a j can kinda help me float into comfort or possibly a few hours of sleep. That's only after 2 or 3 days of the torture of w/d's - which by the way, waterboarding aint got shit on my worst withdrawls.

[hovadagod]

I agree with that. I think it helps you 'get into things'. or more specifically to get into a trance. Like you will get more into a movie or tv show if you smoke which in turn makes time go faster but if you smoke and don't get into the tv show or movie, I can see how time would slow down and it would suck. Everyone's right!!!:p

[Dan Steely]

If you are prone to severe anxiety from wd (like me) then weed will probably make you feel worse. After I am done with wd and trying to stay clean weed really helps with the (I am so f'n bored! problem). Weed makes being bored ok.

[hovadagod]

^yea. If you have anxiety from weed it is definitely worse during WD's. SPeaking of which I think I need to blaze some diese.l

[Dan Steely]

sour diesel? That's one of the best strains evah!

[hovadagod]

Unfortunately it's not sour this time. NYC diesel. I have to pay like $250 for a half of the sour when I find it.

[Dan Steely]

Yeah that sour can be pricey. It grows weird and not nearly as productive as other strains but it is nice!

[hovadagod]

SWIM grew SOMA seeds NYC diesel and white label white diesel. The SOMA NYC d was very low yield. like 1-2 zips per plant growing aeroponically. Sort of disappointing. the NYC is also fluffy but it does smell like diesel, tastes great and is covered in trichomes. That sour...dense, stinky, sticky, tight, and potent ass shit.

[Dan Steely]

yeah I think sour is the best strain since the originals like gany sk and kush.

[DCBA]

I smoke everyday for more than 15 years, even in the dayz of wd.. and in wd while alleviates (very) temporary some symptons it makes the anxiety and paranoia more greater in wd, but it kinda distracts you for some microseconds at the time.. then reality check.. then some more distraction..

I am a pothead more than anything else, i love smoking or eating it everydy, but i would love to lower my tolerance to the point that i would get psychedelic experiences again from the herb.. When i eat it its more psychedelic like but its very commom.

[hovadagod]

I think my favorattes are the chemdawg, superdawg varietyes and I LOVE OG Kush and G-13.

[scikid]

Feeling much better today. Packed a really really tiny bowl after my coffee.

[Paregoric Kid]

diesel and sour diesel are some really good strains. years ago at a show my band was playing at I got to smoke NYC diesel backstage with the headlining bands bass player and was stoned for hours. and recently got the chance to try sour diesel that was around for a short time and damn that was pretty damn good too.

[scikid]

By the way SCIkid (totally off subject) I busted out my SCI the other day and I been listening to them like crazy. I love those guys. Every year around this time, when the weather starts getting warm I listen to them and they make me really happy. Just listened to a Galactic > Shine from 2000 and it was so good.


Hell yeah, I really enjoyed 00. They were probably at there peak at that moment, the got a little bigger until 02, then less and less people showed up.

Also, I love the Diesel, but I drool over anytype of Kush.

[KiloByte]

I like puffing...always.

[Raz]

only smoke hash/weed wether in WD or not....Dont smoke nuffink else, except da skag.....

Da mrs an moi smoke on average 25g a hash and half 0z weed per week...only gone 3 days wivout a toke in 30yrs and dat was in prison....Cannabis keeps me level and chilled....And should be legal everywhere....

[scikid]

I totally understand what you guys are talking about in regards to using during the intial start of withdrawal compared to later use. SWIM is over the hump now but still not 100. When he just takes one or two hits of herb the WD basically vanishes, especially the physical stuff. The mental stuff hangs on a little stronger, but it still helps it.

[PhoenixRisen]

There's very little that makes smoking unenjoyable for me... I'd have to be REALLY sick or super fucking exhausted...

[duck]

There's very little that makes smoking unenjoyable for me... I'd have to be REALLY sick or super fucking exhausted...

Being super exhausted is one of my favorite times to smoke! It just like, plants me to the bed...ahhh...


Question: do you guys smoke throughout your day when you have shit you gotta take care of that requires a little bit of thought and concentration?

I often battle with myself whether or not I want to during the day, if I've gotta bunch shit to do..

[stringbeanjeans]

Oh HELL yea. Good thread man. Last time I really kicked bad was last summer. Since I spent pretty much everything on opiates, I hadn't smoked in a few months. I knew I had to kick and so I decided to spend my last remaining $$$ on a 1/4 of herb. Best decision ever. It helped soooo much. It just kinda gets your mind off the awfullness of WD. A definite MUST along with sleeping pills and Imodium.

[scikid]

Question: do you guys smoke throughout your day when you have shit you gotta take care of that requires a little bit of thought and concentration?

I often battle with myself whether or not I want to during the day, if I've gotta bunch shit to do..

I do not. IMO Herb is a relaxing thing, something to do after you take care of all responsibilities. Is it your day off? Puff away. Do you have an 8 hour work day?... save it to the end of the day. But... as people age often times they will find it just cannot fit into life like it used to. Not always though. I have met some very successful stoners in my day.

However, for a long time I pretty much smoke constantly, didn't matter what was on the agenda. I just cannot do that anymore, if I were to smoke in a situation where I had to work or take care of something I wouldn't enjoy it.

[duck]

I do not. IMO Herb is a relaxing thing, something to do after you take care of all responsibilities. Is it your day off? Puff away. Do you have an 8 hour work day?... save it to the end of the day. But... as people age often times they will find it just cannot fit into life like it used to. Not always though. I have met some very successful stoners in my day.

However, for a long time I pretty much smoke constantly, didn't matter what was on the agenda. I just cannot do that anymore, if I were to smoke in a situation where I had to work or take care of something I wouldn't enjoy it.

Word.

I want to smoke so bad throughout the day as the sub, while I love it for how it allows me to function really well (my GPA has gone up considerably since I started sub and stopped using short acting opiates, better family life, etc), leaves me wanting something more. But, as fun as it sounds, I know it will result in me tiring and getting lazy...which ain't good when I'm trying to act like I know what I am doing in Econ 672 LOL

[scikid]

Word.

I want to smoke so bad throughout the day as the sub, while I love it for how it allows me to function really well (my GPA has gone up considerably since I started sub and stopped using short acting opiates, better family life, etc), leaves me wanting something more. But, as fun as it sounds, I know it will result in me tiring and getting lazy...which ain't good when I'm trying to act like I know what I am doing in Econ 672 LOL

Around the time that I returned to going to school (graduated last year at the age of 25 oh well) I started cutting down considerably on the amount I smoked (actually cut down on all things). I couldn't let anything interfere with actually graduating this time.

[Motown]

Word.

I want to smoke so bad throughout the day as the sub, while I love it for how it allows me to function really well (my GPA has gone up considerably since I started sub and stopped using short acting opiates, better family life, etc), leaves me wanting something more. But, as fun as it sounds, I know it will result in me tiring and getting lazy...which ain't good when I'm trying to act like I know what I am doing in Econ 672 LOL

Duck - you find you smoke more on the Subs? More than short acting?
Any other opies for me and I don't enjoy smoking. But Subs - the boredom gets me
I guess.

And yes..... MJ helps me tremendously when in wds.

[duck]

Duck - you find you smoke more on the Subs? More than short acting?
Any other opies for me and I don't enjoy smoking. But Subs - the boredom gets me
I guess.

And yes..... MJ helps me tremendously when in wds.

Yep, boredom on subs induces me to smoke on a daily basis.

[Motown]

Yep, boredom on subs induces me to smoke on a daily basis.

hahaha.... aughhh me too. I quit smoking for some time when I was doing opies. But since I've been
on the Bupe - smoking is the only thing that balances me out. Maybe it's a good thing to be smoking again. I'm not sure. How long you been on the subs?

[SHELLEY]

I do not. IMO Herb is a relaxing thing, something to do after you take care of all responsibilities. Is it your day off? Puff away. Do you have an 8 hour work day?... save it to the end of the day. But... as people age often times they will find it just cannot fit into life like it used to. Not always though. I have met some very successful stoners in my day.

However, for a long time I pretty much smoke constantly, didn't matter what was on the agenda. I just cannot do that anymore, if I were to smoke in a situation where I had to work or take care of something I wouldn't enjoy it.

i've found just the opposite
that smokin weed makes it easier to do what needs doing
when i'm not blazed, i'm draggin through work and all that housewifey-mommy stuff
i spark my shit up, and tcb

[scikid]

i've found just the opposite
that smokin weed makes it easier to do what needs doing
when i'm not blazed, i'm draggin through work and all that housewifey-mommy stuff
i spark my shit up, and tcb

I know plenty of people like you. When I first started puffin all of my friends would run off and play basketball and shit. I never really could. If I'm going to take a hike, sure its nice to get a light buzz on but I cannot take care of shit when high for the most part. On my days off I may smoke a bit and go to the bank and go pick up a new pair of nikes or go to the bar and grab some food plus one or two... but that is about it for the most part.

[Dan Steely]

Yeah it kind of amazes me that some people can be so sharp and high functioning on weed.

It makes me slow forgetful and dangerous behind the wheel. I lose things I'm holding in my hand. It took years but I finally restricted my puffin to couch time.

It's weird how it can effect people so drasticly different.

[OxiContinKing]

Yeah, it amazes me that someone can take 6 80's in a day, or shoot a gram of some good H in a day, and function perfectly, but smoke a little pinter of some dank, and they are FUBAR...

Things that make you go, 'hmmmm....'

[Badly Drawn Girl]

Yeah it kind of amazes me that some people can be so sharp and high functioning on weed.

It is crazy to me. One of my friends is like that. She has ADD and normally cannot focus worth shit. But if she smokes some weed, she's a whole different person. She can get things done, her memory is more sharp, she's totally organized. I cannot function on weed, period. If I had to chose between smoking weed, or smoking crack, and being around people trying to act normal, I'd pick crack hands down. That's how fucked up I get on weed. I cannot function. I used it for years to combat insomnia because it was the one thing that could put me right to sleep.

[resorcinol]

Eek, I'd never smoke weed in withdrawal. I already have to be careful with it so as to not get so stoned that I have a panic attack while I'm not in w/d (and I didn't wig out at all from shrooms so I think cannabinoids are innately anxiogenic for some people). So yeah I'd NEVER smoke during w/d ... just the thought makes me nervous. Bring on the klonopin and propranolol for w/d!

[scikid]

It is crazy to me. One of my friends is like that. She has ADD and normally cannot focus worth shit. But if she smokes some weed, she's a whole different person. She can get things done, her memory is more sharp, she's totally organized. I cannot function on weed, period. If I had to chose between smoking weed, or smoking crack, and being around people trying to act normal, I'd pick crack hands down. That's how fucked up I get on weed. I cannot function. I used it for years to combat insomnia because it was the one thing that could put me right to sleep.


I have ADD as well... I haven't taken medicine for it in years, and I ended up graduating with a pretty nice GPA. Thing was it took me years to basically "teach" myself how to handle the ADD and actually get shit done.

Cannabis never really helped me focus (maybe very early on, but I can't remember :p ), however it was important for me because it allowed me to actually settle the my mind at the end of the day.

Anyways people react to weed in many different ways. After this friday I am going to take a month off though. I try to regularly do that nowadays.

[resorcinol]

^IDK if ADHD is even real for certain, but I sure like the fact that the diagnosis of ADHD primarily inattentive ensures a consistent supply of pharmaceutical uppers!

Edit: I rarely take more that prescribed either. Whether ADHD is real or not, therapeutic doses of stims give me an edge in school, no doubt.

[stringbeanjeans]

Yeah it kind of amazes me that some people can be so sharp and high functioning on weed.

It makes me slow forgetful and dangerous behind the wheel. I lose things I'm holding in my hand. It took years but I finally restricted my puffin to couch time.

It's weird how it can effect people so drasticly different.


Yo DS! Been a while since I've talked with you man.

Like with most drugs I think normalcy on weed comes with experience and frequency. I AM one of those people that can do anything stoned. Literally nothing phases me. Pulled over by the cops and stoned as FUCK. No biggie. I smoke a bit before work everyday and I can accomplish anything. Some of my friends get so paranoid on weed and can't even leave the house. I honestly just kinda think they're pussies. If you smoke a lot of weed, I think it becomes a normal state of being just like anything else. There's lots of peeps on here that do opiates everyday and function normally, but my dad (who isn't a user) did a 5mg tab of vicodin and started puking his guts out. Again, it just comes down to experience and frequency.

[resorcinol]

I agree that it becomes a "normal" state in that you're so used to the intoxicating effects that they no longer effect your ability to function out there in the world. In the case of physically addictive drugs it goes further; one NEEDS the drug to function normally.

My mother is a good example. Two 5 mg Vicodin tabs have her quite goofy, pupils pinned, noticeably chipper (she was on them for a few years for a CP condition -- relatively minor compared to what many CPers have -- PRN so her tolerance never really went up). I could take 150 mg hydrocodone, 80 mg oxycodone, cheek a 12.5 mcg mylan fentanyl patch, take 8 grit and chugged large poppy pods, or any equivalent and function just fine without anybody noticing that I'm on something. I'd have to take a big enough dose to nod uncontrollably for it to be noticeable. I'm just very accustomed to opioid effects.

On my maintenance dose of 25 mcg/hr fentanyl I feel nothing except well (I can even drive, no problem, every day on my maintenance dose); an opioid naive person would be pretty high as hell from a 25 mcg per hour fent patch worn transdermally I'd bet -- and since they'd be less accustomed to the effects, probably show more motor impairment than would even be expected proportionally adjusted for tolerance.

It's certainly the same for weed and probably all psychoactives.

Certain ones, however, always cause marked intoxication even with chronic use and tolerance. Psychedelics are a great example. Benzodiazepines are a good example too -- while a tolerant person can take MORE and not show outward signs of being high, once a razor thin threshold is passed, it becomes obvious (same with alcohol, plus alcohol has a pungent smell). Stimulants are a midway example too... motormouth doesn't go away completely (at least I don't think it does).

[scikid]

^IDK if ADHD is even real for certain, but I sure like the fact that the diagnosis of ADHD primarily inattentive ensures a consistent supply of pharmaceutical uppers!

Edit: I rarely take more that prescribed either. Whether ADHD is real or not, therapeutic doses of stims give me an edge in school, no doubt.

Ehh I think it is. I was a very early case (early 80s) and underwent at least 2 weeks of testing for it. It was a big deal with my parents and they really wanted to make the right decision. When I became a teenager they let me decide if I wanted to keep taking ritalin and I said no. Both of my parents show symptoms of it, especially my mom.

Thom Hartman thinks that ADHD could have been a very early adaptation of humans to allow us to multitask when we were still hunting for our food. I may have trouble paying attention sometimes, but when I am I can focus on 2 to 3 things at once.

[scikid]

Yo DS! Been a while since I've talked with you man.

Like with most drugs I think normalcy on weed comes with experience and frequency. I AM one of those people that can do anything stoned. Literally nothing phases me. Pulled over by the cops and stoned as FUCK. No biggie. I smoke a bit before work everyday and I can accomplish anything. Some of my friends get so paranoid on weed and can't even leave the house. I honestly just kinda think they're pussies. If you smoke a lot of weed, I think it becomes a normal state of being just like anything else. There's lots of peeps on here that do opiates everyday and function normally, but my dad (who isn't a user) did a 5mg tab of vicodin and started puking his guts out. Again, it just comes down to experience and frequency.


Don't get me wrong, if pushed I can take care of things stoned. I just don't really like too. Pulled over by the cops though... nope. I would get nervous, even though 99 percent of the cops in my city ignore weed. A few years ago the judges here basically said "stop bringing us marijuana cases". The only way you are going to get popped for it is if you deserve it for being an asshole or are very very unlucky.

[resorcinol]

Ehh I think it is. I was a very early case (early 80s) and underwent at least 2 weeks of testing for it. It was a big deal with my parents and they really wanted to make the right decision. When I became a teenager they let me decide if I wanted to keep taking ritalin and I said no. Both of my parents show symptoms of it, especially my mom.

Thom Hartman thinks that ADHD could have been a very early adaptation of humans to allow us to multitask when we were still hunting for our food. I may have trouble paying attention sometimes, but when I am I can focus on 2 to 3 things at once.

I have no doubt that I do in fact have more difficulty focusing on a single thing at once than your average person (enough to reduce my performance in school below my ability without a stimulant), I just am still not convinced for sure that it's a disorder over a personality trait.

I lean towards more pronounced deviations being a disorder, though.

[xannyman]

I puff like mad everyday but during WD's I smoke a shitload more which seems to help a bit. Takes my mind off how shitty I feel physically and helps take my mind off how bad my life sucks at that period of time.

[Dan Steely]

Yo DS! Been a while since I've talked with you man.

Like with most drugs I think normalcy on weed comes with experience and frequency. I AM one of those people that can do anything stoned. Literally nothing phases me. Pulled over by the cops and stoned as FUCK. No biggie. I smoke a bit before work everyday and I can accomplish anything. Some of my friends get so paranoid on weed and can't even leave the house. I honestly just kinda think they're pussies. If you smoke a lot of weed, I think it becomes a normal state of being just like anything else. There's lots of peeps on here that do opiates everyday and function normally, but my dad (who isn't a user) did a 5mg tab of vicodin and started puking his guts out. Again, it just comes down to experience and frequency.

love ya bro but I gotta disagree w/ya. I will concede that your friends probably are pussies:D. Nah but seriously there is quite a bit of truth to what you are saying but there really are people like myself that just aren't able to be on the ball when they are high regardless of experience. Sure I would develop tolerence and have to work harder at getting high at times. Up until a few years ago my whole world was weed related.(after 20 years I honestly just got bored with it and gave it up, much to the dismay of my friends and fans). No matter how much and often I smoked I was always the posterchild for what stoned looked and acted like whenever I got high. There was no hiding it. If I was high anybody who took one look at me knew it and I didn't even get red eyes and I'm not one of those guys that always looks high even when they are straight. It also really fucked up my mental capabilities. Very forgetful. Interestingly I can trip and look and function perfectly normally. Not weed though. Even one hit ruins me.

Guys like you always amazed me that you could rip bongs of dank weed and still be sharp. I still don't get it. I accept it,....but I don't get it.

[scikid]

love ya bro but I gotta disagree w/ya. I will concede that your friends probably are pussies:D. Nah but seriously there is quite a bit of truth to what you are saying but there really are people like myself that just aren't able to be on the ball when they are high regardless of experience. Sure I would develop tolerence and have to work harder at getting high at times. Up until a few years ago my whole world was weed related.(after 20 years I honestly just got bored with it and gave it up, much to the dismay of my friends and fans). No matter how much and often I smoked I was always the posterchild for what stoned looked and acted like whenever I got high. There was no hiding it. If I was high anybody who took one look at me knew it and I didn't even get red eyes and I'm not one of those guys that always looks high even when they are straight. It also really fucked up my mental capabilities. Very forgetful. Interestingly I can trip and look and function perfectly normally. Not weed though. Even one hit ruins me.

Guys like you always amazed me that you could rip bongs of dank weed and still be sharp. I still don't get it. I accept it,....but I don't get it.

You know, alot of times I feel it was the opiates and benzos that kinda killed my ability to operate stoned out of my mind. From 18 to my mid 20s I went at it really hard, and then slowed down big time. After that I wasn't able to handle it as well, as I aged my ability started to fade to the point where it is at now... 1 to 3 hits and done. Multiple breaks, sometimes over a month etc.

The pyschs didn't help either, plus the fact that the benzos and opiates were allowing me to smoke personal blunts constantly.

Anyways I said I was going to start my break friday, but its going to have to wait till tommorrow. I promised to smoke a friend up who got laid off and had to move back home. I got a jay rolled up in an aleda (cellulose papers).

Also, I have always been able to handle hash way better. When I was living in London I would roll up a cigarette and drop a decent amount of hash in it every day. Get my machiato from the cafe in my school, go outside and light up my spliff (the school gave -2 shits about kids smoking weed openly.. it was heaven) finish it and walk to class. I miss that big time as you could imagine.