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Paregoric Kid
04-22-2009, 04:11 PM
Supremes Tell Police to Step Away From the Vehicle

Jacob Sullum (http://www.reason.com/staff/hitandrun/128.html) | April 22, 2009, 4:25pm
It was not all bad news for the Fourth Amendment at the Supreme Court yesterday. In addition to signaling (http://www.reason.com/blog/show/133029.html) that they may approve the strip search of an eighth-grader by public school officials looking for ibuprofen, the justices ruled (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=07-542#opinion1) that police may search the vehicle of an arrested motorist only if they reasonably believe it contains evidence of the offense for which he was arrested or that he may be able to retrieve a weapon from it. The case involved Rodney Gant, who was arrested in Arizona for driving with a suspended license. After he was handcuffed and placed in the patrol car, police searched his vehicle and found cocaine in the pocket of a jacket. The Arizona Supreme Court threw out the resulting drug charge, concluding that rummaging through Gant's car did not qualify as a "search incident to arrest," for which the U.S. Supreme Court has said a warrant is not required, because it did not serve to protect officer safety or preserve evidence. In a decision by Justice John Paul Stevens that was joined by Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, David Souter, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed.
The line-up is interesting, especially given the (largely undeserved) reputations Scalia and Thomas have acquired for supporting the erosion of civil liberties. When it comes to students' Fourth Amendment rights, Thomas would say they have none that public school officials need respect, and Scalia is only slightly less dismissive. It will be surprising if they do not approve the Advil strip search. But when it comes to adults, Scalia and Thomas are much less inclined to side with the government in Fourth Amendment cases. In this case, Scalia wrote a concurrence (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=07-542#concurrence1) that is even less generous to police than the majority opinion:It is abundantly clear that [traditional standards of reasonableness] do not justify what I take to be the rule set forth in New York v. Belton and Thornton [v. United States]: that arresting officers may always search an arrestee's vehicle in order to protect themselves from hidden weapons. When an arrest is made in connection with a roadside stop, police virtually always have a less intrusive and more effective means of ensuring their safety—and a means that is virtually always employed: ordering the arrestee away from the vehicle, patting him down in the open, handcuffing him, and placing him in the squad car....
Justice Stevens acknowledges that an officer-safety rationale cannot justify all vehicle searches incident to arrest, but asserts that that is not the rule Belton and Thornton adopted....[Stevens says] that officers making a roadside stop may search the vehicle so long as the "arrestee is within reaching distance of the passenger compartment at the time of the search." I believe that this standard fails to provide the needed guidance to arresting officers and also leaves much room for manipulation, inviting officers to leave the scene unsecured (at least where dangerous suspects are not involved) in order to conduct a vehicle search. In my view we should simply abandon the Belton-Thornton charade of officer safety and overrule those cases. I would hold that a vehicle search incident to arrest is ipso facto "reasonable" only when the object of the search is evidence of the crime for which the arrest was made, or of another crime that the officer has probable cause to believe occurred.
Meanwhile, Justice Anthony Kennedy, described as a quasi-libertarian in a recent book (http://www.reason.com/news/show/132507.html) on his jurisprudence, joined the dissenters who would have upheld the search of Gant's car.
Flex Your Rights comments on the case here (http://www.flexyourrights.org/gant_ruling). I discuss Scalia's libertarian tendencies here (http://www.reason.com/blog/show/122816.html) and here (http://www.reason.com/blog/show/127345.html). Cathy Young, Mark Moller, and Radley Balko discuss his statist tendencies here (http://www.reason.com/news/show/32242.html), here (http://www.reason.com/news/show/32933.html), and here (http://www.reason.com/news/show/127305.html).

Supreme Court Upholds 4th Amendment in Arizona v. Gant

Submitted by scottmorgan (http://www.flexyourrights.org/user/scott) on April 21, 2009 - 3:16pm.
For many years, the Supreme Court has permitted police to search the passenger compartment of a vehicle any time an occupant of the car is arrested. These so-called "searches incident to arrest" were authorized in New York v. Belton (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=453&invol=454) (1981) based in large part on concerns about officer safety, namely that the suspect might dive for a weapon hidden in the car. As a result, police have grown accustomed to searching vehicles for "safety reasons" even after the suspect has been taken into custody. This doesn't protect officers, but it certainly encourages police to make more arrests so they can do more searches.

Well, that's finally going to change. The Supreme Court ruled today in Arizona v. Gant (http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/07-542.pdf) that vehicle searches following an arrest are legal only if the suspect has access to the vehicle or if officers reasonably believe the vehicle contains evidence related to that arrest. In other words, police are now required to have an actual reason to justify the vehicle search, instead of being allowed to do it automatically. This decision restores some much needed logic and common sense to the way many warrantless vehicle searches are analyzed under the 4th Amendment.

We've long been concerned about the ability of police to use arrests for minor crimes as a way of overriding a citizen's refusal of consent. Since many states (and Supreme court precedent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atwater_v._City_of_Lago_Vista)) allow officers to perform a full arrest for certain traffic offenses, we've often worried that police could sometimes strong-arm their way into a vehicle by arresting the driver for a traffic violation instead of just writing a ticket. Today's ruling in Gant, however, creates an obstacle to these types of "pretext arrests," because traffic violations are observed infractions for which relevant evidence will not be contained in the vehicle. In that sense, the ruling will likely result in some extra protection for citizens who exercise 4th Amendment rights during a traffic stop.

Beyond the basic legal issues at hand, the case has additional symbolic significance because it truly affects every officer on the street. Every cop is trained to search vehicles automatically after making an arrest, and now every officer will have to learn a new, more nuanced, policy on car searches that is designed to protect individual rights. With today's ruling, the Supreme Court sends an important message to law enforcement that the 4th Amendment still means something in America.

chemiKalz
04-22-2009, 05:46 PM
Awesome, this is good news. Now lets see if they actually follow the new rules. :/

Opiyum
04-23-2009, 01:58 AM
This doesn't really do any good for those of us who have to drive into neighborhoods where we apparently aren't allowed to be. If your white and you get pulled over in the hood just hope they pulled you over before you got the dope because god knows they aren't going to stick you with anything just for having a needle and a spoon. Unless of course you stick them with your needle be it accidental or not that shit pisses them off.
I got pulled over once with a friend in the passenger seat on our way to getting some dope and even though I said I didn't want to ride dirty this time he still brought a needle anyway. HE didn't bother to tell me that when we got pulled over so when I was asked if there was anytning sharp in the car that could poke the officer I said no and I thought I was going to be on my way five minutes later after the search.
As soon as he found the needle the giant black cop behind me grabbed me by the neck and slammed my face into the trunk of the car.
Since that was all they found (plus an old empty piece of a stamp bag that another friend undoubtedly left in my car) they then let us go.
Point being cops aren't going to listen to a word you say about your fourth amendment rights when your in a bad neighborhood. Even if you aren't nervous and shaking they will say "Why you shaking man? Are you nervous?" That in conjuction with where the traffic stop is taking place and the color of your skin apparently gives them reason enough to search you and your car.
Dont get me wrong its always good to see that the supreme court still has some sense left but I just dont see it helping me any.

robojunkie
04-23-2009, 11:01 AM
When my near freedom ending experience recently happened, all it took was "we got Hep C and there's open rigs in the car" and the cops let us search ourselves and backed the fuck off. Funny cause of what they missed, I wouldn't be here telling you guys this right now if they were a little brighter or weren't called off the search (probably were). You are right opiyum, most cops, though usually not troopers, don't give a shit about supreme court this or that cuz they assume all junkies are fools simply because we are junkies.

lilred0005
04-23-2009, 11:22 AM
This doesn't really do any good for those of us who have to drive into neighborhoods where we apparently aren't allowed to be. If your white and you get pulled over in the hood just hope they pulled you over before you got the dope because god knows they aren't going to stick you with anything just for having a needle and a spoon. Unless of course you stick them with your needle be it accidental or not that shit pisses them off.
I got pulled over once with a friend in the passenger seat on our way to getting some dope and even though I said I didn't want to ride dirty this time he still brought a needle anyway. HE didn't bother to tell me that when we got pulled over so when I was asked if there was anytning sharp in the car that could poke the officer I said no and I thought I was going to be on my way five minutes later after the search.
As soon as he found the needle the giant black cop behind me grabbed me by the neck and slammed my face into the trunk of the car.
Since that was all they found (plus an old empty piece of a stamp bag that another friend undoubtedly left in my car) they then let us go.
Point being cops aren't going to listen to a word you say about your fourth amendment rights when your in a bad neighborhood. Even if you aren't nervous and shaking they will say "Why you shaking man? Are you nervous?" That in conjuction with where the traffic stop is taking place and the color of your skin apparently gives them reason enough to search you and your car.
Dont get me wrong its always good to see that the supreme court still has some sense left but I just dont see it helping me any.

^ +100 I completely agree. I think it's comendable that the Supreme Court wants to uphold our 4th Amendment rights however it's just semantics to the frustrated cop who pulls your white ass over @ 3 am in the projects. I fear most cops will fail to understand the implications of this latest ruling. We'll see.

duck
04-23-2009, 11:28 AM
When my near freedom ending experience recently happened, all it took was "we got Hep C and there's open rigs in the car" and the cops let us search ourselves and backed the fuck off. Funny cause of what they missed, I wouldn't be here telling you guys this right now if they were a little brighter or weren't called off the search (probably were). You are right opiyum, most cops, though usually not troopers, don't give a shit about supreme court this or that cuz they assume all junkies are fools simply because we are junkies.


This supreme court ruling sure will not affect police searches or their general disposition towards "suspicious" subjects. However, this will add precedent to the proceeding court case that follows a search & seizure.