Alternative to Tramadol

[brintiff]

Okay, I know "it sucks", "take some real opiates" blah blah blah. With that out of the way, is there an anti depressant that has similar effects of tramadol? With the trams I have energy, in a pretty happy mood, and while it gives me energy during the day I sleep great at night.

I'm not taking them for the opiate high, as I said, the only thing I get from trams is a feeling of well being and energy. I'm spending $200-$300 a month on trams purchased online, if there is an anti depressant equivalent my insurance would pay for it. I think it's a lot easier to get scripted anti depressants than it is to get a reliable long term tramadol script.

[DCBA]

like jacky told recently (and has been saying..) effexor is very similiar to tramadol in chemical structure and according to him it has opiate effects too like tramadol does, and its a marketed antidepressant, so i think there you have it: venlaflaxine is your tramadol like antidepressant..

[Russellmeboy]

200-300 a month!

thats insane.

may i ask why?

[Papa Verine]

I think you're getting positive results with Tramadol because of it's Opioid effects and not so much the SSRI effects. Give Effexor a try, or some other SSRI/SNRI's... but don't forget PapaV told you so when you do.

Tramadol is a decent opioid for people with low tolerances. When I had a low tolerance I got the same efects from it. Now... I have to drink a gallon of poppy tea or get some heroin to have the same results. It's just the nature of the beast...

And before somebody chimes in and says Tramadol is NOT an opioid, I don't want to have that discussion again. I read all those posts. For me... it felt like an opioid when I had no tolerance. I've never felt "opioid effects" from any SSRI's.

[brintiff]

200-300 a month!

thats insane.

may i ask why?
I go through 2-3 180ct bottles a month at $100 or so each. I've had it prescribed locally but only for 90 pills at a time. I can't very well ask for a refillable prescription for a med that is not meant for what I am using it for, sure I could fake it and probably get 180ct a month prescription but I won't go there, I don't know, I have some weird sense of morals when it comes to faking it to get a prescription, I see all these posts about people being in real pain that is chronic and they can't get proper meds because of the failed so called "war on drugs".

It just don't feel right faking pain to get a script when people have real pain and have to deal with it because of people faking it. I am by NO means judging anyone who does fake it, I just won't do it.

[brintiff]

I think you're getting positive results with Tramadol because of it's Opioid effects and not so much the SSRI effects. Give Effexor a try, or some other SSRI/SNRI's... but don't forget PapaV told you so when you do.

Tramadol is a decent opioid for people with low tolerances. When I had a low tolerance I got the same efects from it. Now... I have to drink a gallon of poppy tea or get some heroin to have the same results. It's just the nature of the beast...

And before somebody chimes in and says Tramadol is NOT an opioid, I don't want to have that discussion again. I read all those posts. For me... it felt like an opioid when I had no tolerance. I've never felt "opioid effects" from any SSRI's.

That very well may be and would obviously suck.

[losangeleslifer]

Okay, I know "it sucks", "take some real opiates" blah blah blah. With that out of the way, is there an anti depressant that has similar effects of tramadol? With the trams I have energy, in a pretty happy mood, and while it gives me energy during the day I sleep great at night.

I'm not taking them for the opiate high, as I said, the only thing I get from trams is a feeling of well being and energy. I'm spending $200-$300 a month on trams purchased online, if there is an anti depressant equivalent my insurance would pay for it. I think it's a lot easier to get scripted anti depressants than it is to get a reliable long term tramadol script.

That would be part of the definition of *euphoria*

I go through 2-3 180ct bottles a month at $100 or so each. I've had it prescribed locally but only for 90 pills at a time. I can't very well ask for a refillable prescription for a med that is not meant for what I am using it for, sure I could fake it and probably get 180ct a month prescription but I won't go there, I don't know, I have some weird sense of morals when it comes to faking it to get a prescription, I see all these posts about people being in real pain that is chronic and they can't get proper meds because of the failed so called "war on drugs".

It just don't feel right faking pain to get a script when people have real pain and have to deal with it because of people faking it. I am by NO means judging anyone who does fake it, I just won't do it.

I wonder if you would have the same attitude if it wasn't tramadol, but say, hydrocodone. Just curious.:)

[brintiff]

That would be part of the definition of *euphoria*



I wonder if you would have the same attitude if it wasn't tramadol, but say, hydrocodone. Just curious.:)
I'd like to think I would but I also have very little opiate experience so I obviously cannot answer that. Like I said, I'm not judging anyone, maybe I should have said, I'm not willing to fake it to get trams YET. For all I know I could get hooked on hydrocodone and start robbing convenience stores.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I'd like to think I would but I also have very little opiate experience so I obviously cannot answer that. Like I said, I'm not judging anyone, maybe I should have said, I'm not willing to fake it to get trams YET. For all I know I could get hooked on hydrocodone and start robbing convenience stores.
Yeah just stick with the trams.

Do you have headaches?? Muscle pains at all?? Maybe you don't have to fake it. Trams are not a hardcore pain med so you could get it for small pains and uncomforts. Docs are willing to give out Tram pretty easily. You don't have to actually fake anything, just find something the trams legitimately help with. For example, your mood/energy. Explain this to the doc, say you've taken it before and it helped curve your mood/energy. Believe me tramadol is the last thing they are worried about.

[hovadagod]

Kratom might be close to tramadol but it is just as expensive. I think it has AD and opioidal properties.

[losangeleslifer]

I'd like to think I would but I also have very little opiate experience so I obviously cannot answer that. Like I said, I'm not judging anyone, maybe I should have said, I'm not willing to fake it to get trams YET. For all I know I could get hooked on hydrocodone and start robbing convenience stores.

I know you weren't judging or being condensending, I just thought I would ask.
The thing is as long as you can keep yourself happy with the means you have, go for it!

Also, don't forget that it is possible to medicate yourself and not have to sell ass, or comit larceny. Maybe not easy but....

[PhoenixRisen]

"
Tapentadol (INN (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/International_Nonproprietary_Name)) is a centrally-acting analgesic (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Analgesic) with a unique dual mode of action as an agonist (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Agonist) at the μ-opioid receptor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Mu_opioid_receptor) and as a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Norepinephrine_reuptake_inhibitor).[3] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-2) It is considered to have a potency between morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) and tramadol (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Tramadol),[4] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-drugsofthefuture-3) and is a close chemical and structural relative of the latter.
Its dual mode of action provides analgesia at similar levels of more potent narcotic analgesics such as hydrocodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Hydrocodone), oxycodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Oxycodone), and morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) with a more tolerable side effect profile.
Tapentadol (INN (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/International_Nonproprietary_Name)) is a centrally-acting analgesic (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Analgesic) with a unique dual mode of action as an agonist (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Agonist) at the μ-opioid receptor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Mu_opioid_receptor) and as a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Norepinephrine_reuptake_inhibitor).[3] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-2) It is considered to have a potency between morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) and tramadol (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Tramadol),[4] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-drugsofthefuture-3) and is a close chemical and structural relative of the latter.
Its dual mode of action provides analgesia at similar levels of more potent narcotic analgesics such as hydrocodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Hydrocodone), oxycodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Oxycodone), and morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) with a more tolerable side effect profile."

Taken from wikipedia. It's pending classification by the fda. Might be better.

[nick]

I've never had the "pleasure" of trying effexor,but have heard some horror stories aout effexor side effects and wd.

This seems to be mainly anecdotal,but I'd not recommend it with out a warning.

[Restharrow]

I'd like to think I would but I also have very little opiate experience so I obviously cannot answer that. Like I said, I'm not judging anyone, maybe I should have said, I'm not willing to fake it to get trams YET. For all I know I could get hooked on hydrocodone and start robbing convenience stores.
Even though Tramadol does not produce the intense euphoria of many other opiates, my phychiatrist told me it is very habit forming in some people. IMO people need to use caution with it. It may have the addictive liability of much stronger opiates, while lacking their intense euphoria.

Also I think some of the states are going to make it a scheduled drug. If I were buying it off the web, I would keep up with its legal status so I did not (unknowingly) violate a "drug possession" law in my state.

Based on some experiences of a couple of family members, IMO Tramadol is a lot more addictive than many people think.

Have you tried Strattera or Wellbutrin. Strattera kept me awake all night the first time I took it.

Good luck with it!
Will

[Papa Verine]

"
Tapentadol (INN (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/International_Nonproprietary_Name)) is a centrally-acting analgesic (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Analgesic) with a unique dual mode of action as an agonist (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Agonist) at the μ-opioid receptor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Mu_opioid_receptor) and as a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Norepinephrine_reuptake_inhibitor).[3] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-2) It is considered to have a potency between morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) and tramadol (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Tramadol),[4] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-drugsofthefuture-3) and is a close chemical and structural relative of the latter.
Its dual mode of action provides analgesia at similar levels of more potent narcotic analgesics such as hydrocodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Hydrocodone), oxycodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Oxycodone), and morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) with a more tolerable side effect profile.
Tapentadol (INN (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/International_Nonproprietary_Name)) is a centrally-acting analgesic (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Analgesic) with a unique dual mode of action as an agonist (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Agonist) at the μ-opioid receptor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Mu_opioid_receptor) and as a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Norepinephrine_reuptake_inhibitor).[3] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-2) It is considered to have a potency between morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) and tramadol (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Tramadol),[4] (http://forum.opiophile.org/#cite_note-drugsofthefuture-3) and is a close chemical and structural relative of the latter.
Its dual mode of action provides analgesia at similar levels of more potent narcotic analgesics such as hydrocodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Hydrocodone), oxycodone (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Oxycodone), and morphine (http://forum.opiophile.org/wiki/Morphine) with a more tolerable side effect profile."

Taken from wikipedia. It's pending classification by the fda. Might be better.

This one sounds very interesting. But... it's certainly going to be scheduled (probably 2) unlike Tramadol.

[PhoenixRisen]

Yeah, it will be from what I can tell.

But my doc doesn't have a problem writing me percocet 7.5, they're just fucking expensive... she writes me the ones with less tylenol, so they're 20 bucks more. Wish I could find a good oxy supply.

Tramadol is addictive... mildy, if I'm not mistaken it's metabolized into another chemical closer to opiates chemically. It's prevented me from withdrawing, arigo I can only assume if I was to take it for long periods of time, I would WD if I stopped suddenly.


Although this Tapentadol might be good... they try to explain it as more "tolerable side effects" - for an opiate user that means... less lethargy, less constipation, more euphoria (very tolerable).

Although if it is approved, it will be schedule II, and the new meds are always more expensive...

We need a fucking opium war... that would be awesome.. Restrict the human cost.. I'm just saying... the opium addicts in 19th century china must have been like... *I'm really hoping somebody crosses a line and tells the british they can't do something... especially sell me opium.*
Then ecstatic as soon as the ban was lifted.

Netherlands (Takes the place of UK) - Hey U.S. ... let us import high grade weed and opium into your country... or we'll go to war with j00!!@ ... wait.. what? I'm stoned.

U.S.(takes the place of china) - Wait.. what? Do you hate Us for our freedom?

Netherlands - ZzzZZz...ZZzz. huh? OH what? I had the strangest dream about declaring war on the U.S. so we could maintain a favorable balance of trade ...

U.S. - You did declare war! Damn Netherlands, what are you on...

Netherlands - Never you mind... it's in your best interest to let us intoxicate you.

U.S. - We really like arresting mexicans and harrassing pain doctors and flower vendors though.

Netherlands - I guess it's time for an opium war... oh and America?

U.S. - Yeah?

Netherlands - "Your soul will be mine"

U.S. - Isn't that... from mortal combat?

Netherlands - Nope.. I think.. yeah no.. that's just us... heh *bong gurgles in background*
prepare for war.


The U.S. Would have won too... if they only they didn't laugh it off, " Whatever.. I bet they can't even get off the couch right now "

[lib.sOCialist]

For all I know I could get hooked on hydrocodone and start robbing convenience stores.


lol..