look mom,no veins...

[ItchyMonkey]

Despite it being a sellers market in Dublin where huge prices and tiny deals are the norm,and in an effort to further squeeze us already overstretched monkeys,the street dealers of the scumbucket variety still insist on cutting already weak(mayb 10-15% pure) herion with glucose,manitol,gravy granuals or god knows what,usually creating what they like to call "banging gear" ie herion that can only be shot as if you try and smoke it it wont run and usually burns up in 1 big plume of acrid black smoke having moved mayb an inch on the foil.Fine I hear you say,just shoot it and be damned,but my veins siezed up and completly disapeared 15 years ago and I can only smoke it now,skin popping bieng for inmates and derelicts only thank you,SO MY QUESTION IS: Does any1 know of any chemical or other process which can purifiy or otherwise remove cuts from herion?mayb a method to seperate the powders?Think on it,its not as stupid a question as you might at first think....
Yours.Itchy

[blackdog]

yeah hey itchy,
I've heard of this thing called a "cold water process"
some about add water and flush the cuts away with some heat and/or boiling
pm me and i can give you the name and place to really find out from somebody who has done it and is proficient in that field.
yeah i hate the cuts these bastards ruin the shit with.i mean if they would leave it strong wouldn't they make more money by keeping everybody coming back instead of just copping off them once and not coming back?
peace da/dawgg:rolleyes: :cool:

[HistoryofMadness]

Despite it being a sellers market in Dublin where huge prices and tiny deals are the norm,and in an effort to further squeeze us already overstretched monkeys,the street dealers of the scumbucket variety still insist on cutting already weak(mayb 10-15% pure) herion with glucose,manitol,gravy granuals or god knows what,usually creating what they like to call "banging gear" ie herion that can only be shot as if you try and smoke it it wont run and usually burns up in 1 big plume of acrid black smoke having moved mayb an inch on the foil.Fine I hear you say,just shoot it and be damned,but my veins siezed up and completly disapeared 15 years ago and I can only smoke it now,skin popping bieng for inmates and derelicts only thank you,SO MY QUESTION IS: Does any1 know of any chemical or other process which can purifiy or otherwise remove cuts from herion?mayb a method to seperate the powders?Think on it,its not as stupid a question as you might at first think....
Yours.Itchy

Damn, that sounds even nastier than the tar in the SW US. I can't vouch for the processes, and I don't know how much of a chemist you are, but here are some methods from a chemists's point of view. Let me know how they work out if you try them.

http://heroinhelper.com/user/admin/purifying_heroin.shtml

http://heroinhelper.com/user/admin/purifying_heroin_again.shtml

And if you've never checked out that site, its definitely worth a look.

-H

[johnny27]

Sent you this Private message, but don't know if it will get to you okay so thought i'd post it.

Hi there, how's it going. Just noticed from your post that your from Dublin. My name is Johnny, i'm from South armagh close to the dundalk/louth border. I was dissapointed to here about the Herion sitution in Dub from your post, honestly them cuts are bound to be doing you some bad damage, not to mention how fustrating it must be to get dirty weak hits. So you got me thinking, cause i really don't like to hear of ppl in that sitution with that sorta dirty gear only avaible.

Have you ever tried the Poppy tea? If not, please don't be put off thinking that its some sorta weak kiddy opiate. Many ppl on this site use it for a good and safer and some case's more enjoyable subsitute for gear. Its cheaper and safer in particular, and its a very good hit. I've been using it for a few years now, TBH i've never used herion, although i've had a histroy of alot of other opiate use, the likes of DF's, pethidine, codeine, morphine, buprenorphine and a few other opies, and have some experience of injecting morphine. So i do have experience of opiate use and can honestly say the Poppy tea is ahead off most of them.
As i said, i'm just concerned about fellow irish addicts, having to put themselves in so much danger with dirty smack and other drugs here. I don't sell poppy's or any other drugs, so i'm not trying to convince you to buy something legal or illegal from me.
I suggest that you may benefit from doing abit of reachsearch about poppy tea on this forum and ask a few questions, cause many ppl on here have kicked herion and moved to a poppy tea habit and life is alot better for them, plus they still get a good buzz.
If you are ever intrested, i can give you contact details of a suppiler i buy my poppies from, he is on ebay and has bloodly good strong giant type poppies. As mentioned i'm not try to sell you them nor am i connected with the suppiler in any way to get him business from you. As you prob know its legal to buy the poppies and you'll have no prob with the law or Gaurdi, and it would be much better for your health.
Please don't take this the wrong way, i'm really not trying to preach to you, its just that it has made my life so much easier using poppy tea and not having to shoot badly prepeared morpine or going thru bad sickness cause i could'nt get any drugs.
I would love to hear from you, even if you don't really care what i have wrote about, and remember if you do decide to try and quit the herion and to try moving onto Poppy tea, i can send you the suppilier's details, i usually order from him and the package arrives 3 days later so its very handy.
Take care.
Johnny

Despite it being a sellers market in Dublin where huge prices and tiny deals are the norm,and in an effort to further squeeze us already overstretched monkeys,the street dealers of the scumbucket variety still insist on cutting already weak(mayb 10-15% pure) herion with glucose,manitol,gravy granuals or god knows what,usually creating what they like to call "banging gear" ie herion that can only be shot as if you try and smoke it it wont run and usually burns up in 1 big plume of acrid black smoke having moved mayb an inch on the foil.Fine I hear you say,just shoot it and be damned,but my veins siezed up and completly disapeared 15 years ago and I can only smoke it now,skin popping bieng for inmates and derelicts only thank you,SO MY QUESTION IS: Does any1 know of any chemical or other process which can purifiy or otherwise remove cuts from herion?mayb a method to seperate the powders?Think on it,its not as stupid a question as you might at first think....
Yours.Itchy

[repeek]

It must heaven here (El Paso) for a junkie, black tar at 60%, $10 a bag, even IM is safe.

I am new here, hi.

[Phluck]

It must heaven here (El Paso) for a junkie, black tar at 60%, $10 a bag, even IM is safe.

I am new here, hi.

No offense, but I don't think black tar is ever the safest thing to shoot. When you shoot black tar, you're at a higher risk of sclerosis, which is where your veins harden and shrink. I'm sure it's still fairly decent, but considering pure heroin is a white powder, a black tarry substance must have some impurities you'd rather not be tossing right into your veins.

Heroin is pretty rare around here, but when I was out in Vancouver, the heroin was an off white powder, and you'd get the tiniest little sprinkle in a bag, but it still got you nice and high.

[repeek]

Here, black tar is everywhere (cheap and good), anything white is so cut it is a waste of money. But you are right about it being hard on the veins.

[madnesscult]

You've probably got the powder stuff up there, but I've found a pretty easy way to purify tar (but it probably won't be terribly helpful if you're not shooting it...

I've noticed that with the tar we get here in California, that if I mix it up and let it sit for a few minutes, all of the cut will sink to the bottom in particles, and the dope will stay mixed with the water, and I just draw up all of the liquid and try to get as little of the particles as possible.

[poppy]

Damn, that sounds even nastier than the tar in the SW US
Yep it happens sometimes, many moons ago I remember cooking up some so called gear and thinking shit that doesn't smell right, but I recognized the smell, then i realized what it was, fucking drinking chocolate of all things!! I've even heard of one person buying brick dust, imagine if they'd tried to inject that!!! Obviously its wrong to cut gear and rip off customers but if dealers must cut their gear, they should at least have the decency to cut it with something like glucose which is not going to harm the buyer. Of course in reality the dealers don't give a fuck who lives and who dies!

[repeek]

I wouldn’t by any white dope "here" for precisely that reason, it has so much cut in it, one; you know it has been stepped on by more than one person, two; it is not going to even take away the sickness much less cop you a buzz (I never saw anyone nodding that uses it) and three; I heard of a dealer that used some kind of a cleanser (like for cleaning your sink) to cut white dope, and that really freaks me out just thinking about what that could do to you IV.

The tar is literally like a piece of black glass where I am, some folks don’t even cook it before using it, just put warm water on it and let it set for a few minutes, beat it up and draw it up.

I know a guy who cold shakes his tar, I always cook mine.

The rip offs here usually use instant coffee to make their fake dope, it looks real, but as soon as you smell it you know it is not dope.

[devilsdrug]

people hav been doin tar a long time with relatively few consequences , everyday i d say millions of doses so its not as bad as some would hav u all believe

[repeek]

To be honest, I prefer the tar to pure heroin because of the euphoric quality. Living in an area that also sports several military bases makes from time to time china and afghan white heroin available relatively pure (above 50% pure quality dope I have had about five times). With tar you get a taste of every alkaloid the poppy produces and some of them are longer acting than others, tar has the nicest buzz you can get in a narcotic in my opinion.

[northernstar]

I wouldn’t by any white dope "here" for precisely that reason, it has so much cut in it, one; you know it has been stepped on by more than one person, two; it is not going to even take away the sickness much less cop you a buzz (I never saw anyone nodding that uses it) and three; I heard of a dealer that used some kind of a cleanser (like for cleaning your sink) to cut white dope, and that really freaks me out just thinking about what that could do to you IV.

The tar is literally like a piece of black glass where I am, some folks don’t even cook it before using it, just put warm water on it and let it set for a few minutes, beat it up and draw it up.

I know a guy who cold shakes his tar, I always cook mine.

The rip offs here usually use instant coffee to make their fake dope, it looks real, but as soon as you smell it you know it is not dope.


i dont have much experince with tar, but ive done the white powder in vancouver, and the powder dope in america.....i can say the white stuff in america can be weak as fuck, and cut to hell. even the strong powder is 16-20 max. the vancouver stuff is a totaly different thing, its like 95%. Somewhere i posted about it yesterday. somewhere i read theres diffrent types of heroin...chemicaly, becuse of how its made...number 3,4, ect. the type in vancouver is from veitnam, and hasent been in the staters much since the 70's. there nothing alike. my qestion is cant you suck the dope out of tar with viniger cooking, and shoot the dope leaveing the tar behind? i may have to get some soon....wher i am now thats whats around...

[repeek]

I have never seen tar like dope, they call it tar because it is black and the farther north you go the more cut it is and it is more like a gummy substance. But when mixed with water it melts down to a liquid and stays that way. When I would travel I would mix my shots in advance and they are still liquid days later. The heroin itself does not really have any tar like qualities, the pure tar is like black glass, hard, and could be crushed into crystal like powder. It is the cut that makes it like tar, but fortunately here on the border we rarely see it like that.

The dope here is made with the poppy straw method, they cook the whole plant in whatever reagents there are available.

[SirDonkeyPunch]

if u wanted to take the leap to try banging again i would go for that, considering any chemical process will have to deal with a number of chemicals, and you will have to be able to get a steady yet unsuspicious supply of those, as well as just the bullshit labor involved. I would try doing the oldschool sitting in a hot shower for a while put a tourniquet on and see what pops up. my old dealer had tracks running down every single vein, and she only shot, the only way she could successfully do it was sitting in a hot shower for about 20 minutes.

i dont know what shape they are in either, i would consider having u put a tourniquet on ur thigh and trying to pinpoint some on your legs. i beleive theres on or 2 behind the kneecap but of course accessability is a concern.

[Tar_Baby]

Here, black tar is everywhere (cheap and good), anything white is so cut it is a waste of money. But you are right about it being hard on the veins.

Im in west texas too and I can vouch that GOOD tar wont eat holes in you. Ill put our tar up against the best powder you can find.
That being said..Ive seen people cut tar with Jolly Rancher candy, instant coffee, and a variety of other shit you dont want surging through your blood. And alot of tar WILL eat your veins up and god forbid you miss the vein.

[HistoryofMadness]

Here, black tar is everywhere (cheap and good), anything white is so cut it is a waste of money. But you are right about it being hard on the veins.

i dont have much experince with tar, but ive done the white powder in vancouver, and the powder dope in america.....i can say the white stuff in america can be weak as fuck, and cut to hell. even the strong powder is 16-20 max. the vancouver stuff is a totaly different thing, its like 95%. ... the type in vancouver is from veitnam, and hasent been in the staters much since the 70's. there nothing alike.

To be honest, I prefer the tar to pure heroin because of the euphoric quality. Living in an area that also sports several military bases makes from time to time china and afghan white heroin available relatively pure (above 50% pure quality dope I have had about five times).

Look there's good tar and shitty tar, there's good powder and shitty powder, there's some great dope in Vancouver I'm sure, but there's some great dope in the US as well.

All dope from one city does not come from one country... and surely dope in Vancouver regularly finds itself in the States. And yes, there is powder in the States that is more pure than 16%-20%... and where the fuck did you get 16%?

And whether your on a military base has nothing to do with the quality of dope... I'd bet you 2:1 that IF there's dope coming in from military contacts over seas, its NOT coming in on a C-130 and landing at an army base. But if it is, I'm sure its shipped out of town immediately.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and you guys have purchased, tested, and then tracked dope back to its roots from all over the world. How else would you know this stuff? Oh, wait, you don't.

There are a few posts in this thread that seem legit, and they are the ones that don't make these sweeping generalizations like tar is great unless its gummy, and all powder is shitty in the states... WTF? I am saying this in hopes that some newb or rookie doesn't come through here, see the pissing match, and gobble up all this shit to spout off later and sound like a dumb ass.

[repeek]

When my buddy comes back from the Middle East with a care package, I think I can accurately say that’s where it came from. When I mentioned only five times it was because in the last thirty years that is how many times I can accurately put a place of origin on the product.

Sorry about you having a bad day HoM, but I don’t know what pissing match you are referring to.

[HistoryofMadness]

When my buddy comes back from the Middle East with a care package, I think I can accurately say that’s where it came from. When I mentioned only five times it was because in the last thirty years that is how many times I can accurately put a place of origin on the product.

Sorry about you having a bad day HoM, but I don’t know what pissing match you are referring to.

A care package, fine... but in general living near military installations doesn't mean getting good dope. It sounded like you were saying this was the case, and that to me is BS. I pretty much discounted the rest of what you said because I thought you were full of shit. Plus china white is a reference to a cut, not an origin, and you also made it sound like having china shipped in makes it more pure.

You gotta admit some people here are full of shit, and I had stuck you in that category until you made the comment make more sense. Can you at least see how the comment, as it was, sounded fishy? And I'll admit I jumped to conclusions too quickly. Sometimes calling BS is easy, and sometimes its not.

I still say no one can say all powder in the US is shitty... I've had some pretty good white. But hey, in the end we're all just giving our opinions and some experience now and then, no big deal, right?

[renton]

I live in Vancouver so I'm suprised how many good things people have to say about our smack. I havent tried it yet cause theres been allot of people the last few years who have got brain damage from smoking it, they think that someone is making there own fentanyl and selling it as H. I guess with tar it's harder to cut it with anything so it might be safer in the end.

[SirDonkeyPunch]

isnt there a hydrochloric acid wash you can do with dope to up the purity to around 90%+. I think this might only be for the white. then u gotta add a base like baking soda so it wont wreck your inards.

[repeek]

Living near the bases has its perks, the problem is they don't happen often enough. But often enough to be able to say I know what the real thing taste like.

I never said all white is crap, just in my neck of the woods, and if the tar is gummy here, it is cut to hell.

But ya, some new guy comes in leaves out a few details, I can see how you got the wrong impression HoM, no hard feelings here.

[MagicMan]

Despite it being a sellers market in Dublin where huge prices and tiny deals are the norm,and in an effort to further squeeze us already overstretched monkeys,the street dealers of the scumbucket variety still insist on cutting already weak(mayb 10-15% pure) herion with glucose,manitol,gravy granuals or god knows what,usually creating what they like to call "banging gear" ie herion that can only be shot as if you try and smoke it it wont run and usually burns up in 1 big plume of acrid black smoke having moved mayb an inch on the foil.Fine I hear you say,just shoot it and be damned,but my veins siezed up and completly disapeared 15 years ago and I can only smoke it now,skin popping bieng for inmates and derelicts only thank you,SO MY QUESTION IS: Does any1 know of any chemical or other process which can purifiy or otherwise remove cuts from herion?mayb a method to seperate the powders?Think on it,its not as stupid a question as you might at first think....
Yours.Itchy

No panic, I remeber seeing an "recipe" on purifying heroin to "nearly USP" at Erowids' Heroin or Opiate Vault. Check there, or do a search in Erowid. Most of any info one needs is there... The recipe I saw was in simple plain English, no chemistry expertese needed.