Opiates + High fat foods

[Papa Verine]

I've read here about the opiate potentiating effects of a high-fat meal, and I find this to be superior to any other potentiators.

I drink A lot of poppy tea on the days I get high. It's hard to drink so much liquid so I started using peanut butter to get myself thirsty again after each cup.

I will eat several tbsps. of peanut butter after each cup. I read the label on my particular brand and there's 17 grams of fat per tablespoon. I'm eating about 70 grams of fat after each cup and throughout the day that adds up to A LOT of fat!

I've done the grapefruit juice thing, the tagamet thing, benzos... anything I could come up with. I think FAT is the best potentiator for me. I get much better results when I eat the PB, then when I don't. I get the worst results when I just drink my tea and eat nothing.

Does anyone know why this would work??? I'm sure it's been explained here before but I'm having a hard time with the search engine.

Anyone here who drinks tea or takes oral pharms... give this a try.

[losangeleslifer]

I have to agree with the high fat sentiment.

Seems I always enjoy my goodies after a meal high in fat. Peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches are what I like to eat before a fat shot and after with chocolate candy. I don't know why I crave chocolate so much when high, but I think it has something to do with a chemical in the chocolate.

[nick]

No idea if it really works,but any excuse for a cheeseburger or chocolate bar is cool with me.

[MrCharlesIV]

Isn't because opiates get into your bloodstream through fat cells or something like that?

[LorTabitha]

I've noticed that high fat foods definitely potentiate my tramadol. I get almost twice the pain relief when I add fatty foods to my regimen and eat them directly after taking my trams.

It doesn't work as well for hydro, oxy, dillies, etc. but it does help a little, so I try to remember to have a snack after my other meds go down the hatch. ;) Every little bit helps, especially when my tolerance rises to stupidly high levels.

[marshalldylan1]

I agree! Eating a big ass meal from burger king right after you popped what ever pill definetly makes it come on stronger.

Back when I was just a vichead we would take our dose, then eat a huge fatty meal and it would come on sooo much stronger. Whenever I would take vicodin without eating, it was only so-so. I had to eat a meal everytime I dose.

With pods, if I eat the grounds then eat a high fat meal I feel it better, but haven't noticed much with the tea(mainly cause drinking the tea kills my appetite)

[losangeleslifer]

No idea if it really works,but any excuse for a cheeseburger or chocolate bar is cool with me.

All in the name of.

[Ickyuck]

No idea if it really works,but any excuse for a cheeseburger or chocolate bar is cool with me.

same here.

[lilred0005]

I know this is true because I read it in a medical journal @ the library back when I started on pain meds. I remember reading that high fat meals increase levels by as much as 30%. Not bad, huh. However, I usually find myself taking my meds alone on an empty stomach purely out of habit.

[pokergooch]

High fat meals do potentiate. With the 160mg OC pill, the warnings say that you can get up to 25 percent more drug into your system by eating a high fat meal. the other sizes dont come with that warning (I think) but I dont see why it wouldnt. Opana actually has a warning on the prescription bottle to take one hour before eating or 2 hours after (or visa-versa)

I would think that your liver has to metabolize the fat hence letting the opiates thru. At least thats my opinion.

PG

[God_Albino]

oh fuck yeah, i ate the worst when i could actually get a buzz off oxy, i just wanted mcdonalds and garbage like another drug almost, eating cheesy greasy food constantly, then when the weekly shit came it was like passing a camel through the eye of a needle.

[pinn3d]

Yup=== You can count me in as yet another who has witnessed the potentiating effects of a high-fat meal eaten with opiates.....for me it seems any comfort food works great....... seems to get the digestive tract all happy, and more willingto process the opiates along with the comfort food or something....... I think this worked better in the earlier months of P. Straw usage...... I still notice the fatty-food-opiate-connection nowadays, but its just not as pronounced as it was in the beginning.......

[SHELLEY]

does that work with methadone too?

[God_Albino]

methadones always taken away my appetite, i cant force myself to eat shit like that anymore. it always works better for me if i take it on an empty stomach anyway

[ariesss]

I have noticed this too, usually after I do some oc I'll get higher if I eat say McDonalds or something similar. Would it be more effective to eat the food first?

[pokergooch]

I have noticed this too, usually after I do some oc I'll get higher if I eat say McDonalds or something similar. Would it be more effective to eat the food first?

Probably, Just yesterday, I took my normal amount of Opana and about 20 minutes later ate a steak and philly cream cheese sandwich. Before I ate it, I just felt the normal glow, then about 5 minutes after eating, the glow hit 3x harder.. But eating right before would be the best, imho...

PG

[OxyBlowBall2]

i always want to eat wendys or mcdonalds or some shit after i dose anyways for some reason but when i do it does seem like my oc feels stronger after eating that stuff.

[BlueMajick]

According to this one guy I know, one of the most memorable, best feeling highs they've ever had in recent memory (besides the first few times) was while watching Pulp Fiction (the first part with vincent and the royale with cheese talk, heroin use, etc. When Vincent shot up, so did my friend, and they started feeling really great. When the two in the movie went to the diner to get a bloody as hell steak and fancy 5 dollar shake, my friend paused the film, went to mcdonalds, got a quarter pounder, or big mac, something like that, and fries, and a large vanilla shake, came back and ate that while continuing to watching, and watch John Travoltas' acting of someone high on heroin/opiate, which my friend always thought was pretty spot on. Anyway, whilst eating this food they felt even better, and afterward felt really great (better than normal) for about an hour after eating.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

*Takes 4 Norco, Picks up keys, and rushes to Burger King to grab 6 Burger Shots*

[Synack]

*Takes 4 Norco, Picks up keys, and rushes to Burger King to grab 6 Burger Shots*

/Me envies you...

I figure the 24 hour dose of my meds is equal to 270mg of hydrocodone ... I wish 4 norco's would do it.

[hovadagod]

270mg of hydrocodone is weaker than you remember.

[mikey5string]

a quarter pounder with d's mmmmm.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

/Me envies you...

I figure the 24 hour dose of my meds is equal to 270mg of hydrocodone ... I wish 4 norco's would do it.
ya I was taking 20-25 a day but after moving and losing connections im down to 6-8 a day. Maybe its a good thing :p

[Badly Drawn Girl]

I get much better results when I eat the PB, then when I don't.

Interesting. Since getting on mmt I've been inhaling anything that combines chocolate with peanut butter. Reese's PB cups are damn near orgasmic to me, especially right after my dose. I eat a candy bar every morning after I visit the clinic. I know that I have a terrible sweet tooth since going on the 'done but I never thought about the fat content having an effect.

[NOLA]

Interesting. Since getting on mmt I've been inhaling anything that combines chocolate with peanut butter. Reese's PB cups are damn near orgasmic to me, especially right after my dose. I eat a candy bar every morning after I visit the clinic. I know that I have a terrible sweet tooth since going on the 'done but I never thought about the fat content having an effect.

Yeah, I used to always stop for Coffee + Chocolate Chip poptarts on my way home from MMT.

I'm hating Bupe though, I really want to switch back.

[fassbinder]

I thought this was a harm reduction place. Please don't eat McDonald's. That shit is worse for you than smack. Peanut butter might be okay, especially the natural peanut butter (it might even be more potentiating because of the oil) - but don't eat fast food.

[duck]

I thought this was a harm reduction place. Please don't eat McDonald's. That shit is worse for you than smack. Peanut butter might be okay, especially the natural peanut butter (it might even be more potentiating because of the oil) - but don't eat fast food.

Oh god, unnatural peanut better?!

LOL.


Could you please explain the be in clear detail how natural peanut butter is better for you than "unnatural" peanut butter?

[fassbinder]

Oh god, unnatural peanut better?!

LOL.


Could you please explain the be in clear detail how natural peanut butter is better for you than "unnatural" peanut butter?

No problem. This is from bakingbites.com

Your most basic peanut butter contains just peanuts and some oil to help the peanuts blend together into a smooth paste. There are two distinct types of peanut butter: “regular” and “natural”. “Regular” is the term I’ll use to define your standard peanut butter and jelly sandwich peanut butter, and a category that includes most easy to find national brands. It’s creamy and thick, even at room temperature, and usually has salt and sugar in addition to peanuts in the recipe. “Natural” peanut butter is much thinner than regular peanut butter at room temperature, and tends to be extra firm when chilled. It rarely has extra ingredients added to it and it separates easily into the oil and peanuts used to make the butter.


TL;DR Natural peanut butter doesn't have the sugar and preservatives that JIF and Peter Pan do, and I think it has more oil, especially when you're getting down to the bottom of the jar and it's like half oil/half pb. I was thinking that the oil in natural peanut butter may be a better conduit for fat than grease from a big mac or the sugar from standard pb.

Don't take me seriously though. I honestly don't know much about nutrition besides fast food is bad for you/ exercise is good for you.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

I thought this was a harm reduction place. Please don't eat McDonald's. That shit is worse for you than smack. Peanut butter might be okay, especially the natural peanut butter (it might even be more potentiating because of the oil) - but don't eat fast food.

While I certainly understand the sentiment, preaching healthful living to a board of junkies is sort of funny. If I was really worried about my health, I'd probably avoid drugs too. :)

[fassbinder]

While I certainly understand the sentiment, preaching healthful living to a board of junkies is sort of funny. If I was really worried about my health, I'd probably avoid drugs too. :)

I know, it's awful - I'm very particular about what I put in my stomach, but I'll put just about anything into my veins. The thought of a Whopper makes me nauseous, but cat litter with a little dope mixed in will make my mouth water.

[abner]

know exactly what ya mean. for years, my mom was an inside sales rep for a naturaly specialty food broker. listening to her rhetoric kinda turned me into a pansie when it comes to eating/drinking. atm, i'm drinking a sparkling cucumber beverage by knudsens, : /

[jackflash]

I've noticed years ago that if I dose and then eat a steak with fat that the buzz is much better. I thought it was just me.

[superman]

I've noticed years ago that if I dose and then eat a steak with fat that the buzz is much better. I thought it was just me.

A great steak rocks me all by itself!! And I get just as high on a perfect rack of ribs.

I find that dope enhances the beef buzz... not so much the other way around though for any other food...

.......except yogurt... when I stir my grounds into yogurt (no knuckles or crowns) it's truly like nothing else i've tried it works so perfect and reliably...

[oxymoron530]

I actually noticed that once, when my high was just starting to kick in, I went to my favorite restaurant and got New York steak and garlic shrimp, with a baked potato. Not only did the pills seem to make the food taste better (I thought I was going to have a stroke from the deliciosity), but afterwards I felt SO GOOD. High as a kite, man.

[blenderqueen]

Interesting! Good info. thanks:). I have often wondered if I could be hindering the effects of my meds by giving in to my sometimes intense food cravings after taking them. now I know I need not worry. yay! (as I chow down on some peanut chews.......) lol

[djbrutis]

So, anyone know the better time to eat the high-fat meal? before or right after?! and how long before/after?

[hydro chris]

Probably, Just yesterday, I took my normal amount of Opana and about 20 minutes later ate a steak and philly cream cheese sandwich. Before I ate it, I just felt the normal glow, then about 5 minutes after eating, the glow hit 3x harder.. But eating right before would be the best, imho...
PG
agree i was just gonna mention this about opana, it the only drug that i actually notice the boost.foshezzie -no doubt about it.

[timothy.s.c]

I notice a GREAT boost even with hydrocodone. I have actually added some fat to my dosing regimen because of it. Im skinny and get plenty of exercise (well, not now because of a knee injury) so im not too worried about it. I think the ideal for me is to dose then eat about 20 mins later. I have these Kirkland Trail Mix packs with M&M's that is actually 3 servings for a total of 30g of fat which are delicious btw. I can eat them anytime during the earlier/better half of the high and i get about a 25% or so increase in intensity. I suppose it could be placebo but it feels so much stronger I doubt it.
the other day i did this when i went into the math tutoring building at school and boy oh boy did i feel it increase. I was making countless silly mistakes.

[Papa Verine]

I know, it's awful - I'm very particular about what I put in my stomach, but I'll put just about anything into my veins. The thought of a Whopper makes me nauseous, but cat litter with a little dope mixed in will make my mouth water.

That's fuckin hilarious. Hey, fassbinder, I don't mind that natural peanut butter. I had a little tub of it, and that's actually what I was using, until I ran out and got some Peter fuckin Pan. I think you're right, but there's not A lot of sugar in the processed shit... still a good amount of fat.

When I made this post I was thinking about high fat foods and specifically poppy tea. Because oral morphine has a poor oral bio-availability, there's much room for improvement, by any means possible, to inhibit it from passing too quickly through our system. Wasted... literally down the toilet...