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jacky
04-14-2009, 11:03 AM
"Anti-Nociceptive Effects of an Ethanolic Extract of the Whole Plant of Synedrella nodiflora (L.) Gaertn in Mice: Involvement of Adenosinergic Mechanisms
E. Woode, P. Amoateng, C. Ansah and M. Duwiejua
Abstract: This study presents the effect of an ethanolic extract of the whole plant of Synedrella nodiflora, a plant used in Ghana for the treatment of epilepsy and pain, in formalin-induced pain and acetic acid-induced writhing assay and the possible mode(s) of action of its analgesic action. For comparison, morphine and diclofenac were used as standard opioid and NSAID respectively. The ethanolic extract (100-1000 mg kg-1; p.o.) and morphine (1-10 mg kg-1; i.p.) dose-dependently decreased both phases of the formalin-induced nociceptive behavior. The antinociceptive effect of S. nodiflora (300 mg kg-1 p.o.) on the first and second phases of formalin induced pain was significantly blocked by caffeine but not by naloxone. In the acetic acid- induced writhing test, diclofenac and S. nodiflora significantly reduced the number of writhes dose dependently. Also, the effect of S. nodiflora (300 mg kg-1 p.o.) was blocked by caffeine (3 mg kg-1 i.p.) but the analgesic effect of diclofenac was enhanced significantly. The observed effects of caffeine on the central and peripheral analgesic effects of S. nodiflora in the formalin and acetic acid induced writhing suggest the possible involvement of adenosinergic mechanism(s)."

caffeine and theophylline purine compounds very similiar to one another, are adenosine receptor antagonists.

that would explain probably, why naloxone has no effect on the reversal of pain augmentation with the above mentioned species of plant, because direct opioid activation is not present.

years ago I was told that coffee would help lengthen an opiate buzz.

then I heard that coffee contains opioid antagonist lactone compounds
heres a clip
"We have reported previously that instant coffee contains ligands for opiate receptors with characteristics similar to those of opiate antagonists.

2. A concentrate of receptor-active ligands from instant coffee was prepared by serial treatments involving Amberlite XAD-2, flash chromatography and gel permeation chromatography.

3. Examination of the final concentrate by GC-MS showed the presence of a number of isomeric (iso)feruloylquinic acid lactones.

4. It is suggested that the synthesis and biological testing of each quinide isomer will establish which is responsible for the opiate receptor activity of instant coffee."

and another

"4-Caffeoyl-1,5-quinide in roasted coffee inhibits [3H]naloxone binding and reverses anti-nociceptive effects of morphine in mice"

which makes me think, that the reason I cannot tolerate coffee, is not because of the acid content...but because the antagonists fuck with my bowels. regardless of if I am using opiates/opioids or not.

heres another clip that deepens/broadens the subject

"Dicinnamoylquinides in roasted coffee inhibit the human adenosine transporter "

finally, I found a good article, complete with chemical structures..
under the title
"cerebral effects of non caffeine constituents in roasted coffee"
this article ponders that coffee can help withdrawl or cravings to opiates.

I wonder if micro doses of coffee, roasted or instant, would have a similiar effect to that of naloxone/naltrexone having a potentiating effect on opiates?

for some reason, tea doesnt seem to have the same effect.
so maybe the other compounds besides caffeine and theophylline are responsible for the majority of "anti" opiate effects?

I had to quit drinking coffee years ago for the most part. occasionally I can eat it in food and mixed drinks.
I avoid instant coffee, unless I am locked up and hating life. that hasnt happened for over 10 years though...so its been awhile.

DCBA
04-14-2009, 11:50 AM
if it has an effect like naloxone it is very mild or at least unnoticed by its user.. because lots of people mix daily coffee and opiates, and if they found a major effect than it would be noticed but most of all, at least i think so..

But it explains a lot of coffee effects on the bowels.. an opiod antagonist would do the same as coffee once did to me, but now that i´m on methadone i didnt noticed any effect on bowel movements, i only wished....

But hey, lots of methadonians and opiophiles takes lots and lots of caffeine daily, it can be the boost efffect that a micro dose of an antagonist would have..

Good post!

EDIT: And i think caffeine lowers pain

Papa Verine
04-14-2009, 12:14 PM
I don't feel it. I have no problem drinking coffee throughout the day with my regular opiates (poppy tea). I'm ALWAYS constipated. I should add that I've always been a big coffee drinker. I'm pretty immune to the effects of coffee.

I could see coffee having this effect on somebody who doesn't normally drink it.

roxi*stardust
04-15-2009, 09:44 AM
I don't feel it. I have no problem drinking coffee throughout the day with my regular opiates (poppy tea). I'm ALWAYS constipated. I should add that I've always been a big coffee drinker. I'm pretty immune to the effects of coffee.

I could see coffee having this effect on somebody who doesn't normally drink it.
Me either, I drink ALOT of coffee every day and actually enjoy a cup or 3 or 4 with my pain meds. It actually seems to enhance the little bit of a high I still get from them.

SHELLEY
04-15-2009, 09:47 AM
I don't feel it. I have no problem drinking coffee throughout the day with my regular opiates (poppy tea). I'm ALWAYS constipated. I should add that I've always been a big coffee drinker. I'm pretty immune to the effects of coffee.

I could see coffee having this effect on somebody who doesn't normally drink it.

i dunno, i drink coffee every day and it still makes me shit within 1 hr

hovadagod
04-15-2009, 10:00 AM
This may be related. I found that methadone completely blocks coffee cravings.

oxyjon
04-15-2009, 10:21 AM
I love coffee with my meds in the morning. I agree with Roxi in that it almost feels like the effects are inhanced by coffee. Coffee gets my day going and a good buzz going. Though I haven't noticed any increased pain relieving effects.

DCBA
04-15-2009, 12:02 PM
This may be related. I found that methadone completely blocks coffee cravings.
yeah, but methadone blocks most cravings... even sex in most people, and i mean most, not all..
the opiate/dopamine system is responsable for many cravings we feel if not all.

hovadagod
04-15-2009, 12:32 PM
That's good to know. Maybe I need some methadone.... j/k

chinaski
04-15-2009, 01:21 PM
That's all good, but how do I shoot it?

hovadagod
04-15-2009, 02:18 PM
MAybe this is why caffeine helps pain killers kill pain. The antagonist properties could enhance our endorphins . idk.

Opiyum
04-15-2009, 08:54 PM
I wonder if in addition to the orange handled Decaf pots they will have to start making green handled De-antagonist pots?

resorcinol
04-21-2009, 03:32 PM
If this is the case I sure hope that tiny doses actually potentiate like the conjecture out there suggests because I love coffee.

Now I'm gonna be thinking twice before I drink it about whether it might reduce the efficacy of the fentanyl.