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[blackdog]

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so what point ya use? was an interesting thread that codfish started and it brought 285to mind some interesting happenings along the way with my career in opiate consumption by means of i/v usage.
like how i used to drive over the George Washington bridge from new jersey into the city(new york) and cop the king of kings. which was some bad ass dope....oohh memories...anyhow they was talking in codfish's thread about points and finding veins to hit and point length and such .well i remember having my shot all made up by the time i was crossing the gwbridge(we would pull along side a fire hydrant and after pouring a bag or two into the syringe draw up some of new yorks finest fire hydrant water and shake it up real good ) and not even having to tie off i would just hit my inside elbow like tossing a dart at the bar and bullseye instant plume of rosy red success and push on the plunger and as i enter back into new jersey i was entering neverneverland at the same time oh man, those where the days my friend
once and awhile that inner elbow vein will come back for a day or three and then another years rest might allow me to hit it again fer a day or two.
yep yep yep those where the days my friend,we thought they would never end.la la la la laaaaaa
peace from the old blk/dawgg:p

[HistoryofMadness]

I remember copping (doing the junky car chase dealer car bit) on the west side of my old hometown, and hitting the interstate east... I'd have the shot ready a few exits up, where I'd exit, hit at the redlight (same thing, dog, just throw it across the car and hope it hits), and be high by the time the light would change green.

Same exit everytime; then I'd pull over at the store at the next redlight, run inside and buy coffee and a donut for a buck... grab a free nightlife paper, and head south...

It's like the routine is still going on in some alter-universe... I'd head to the supermarket next, where I'd find the cheapest meal to buy depending on my cashflow. Often I would have no cash flow, so I'd go in and steal deli bread and cheese, buy a pack of gum and a 24oz beer, and hit the road again.

Next is always the same too... go to the house, shoot again, eat and chug my beer, and get ready for work... this was years ago when I waited tables... long-sleeves no matter how fucking hot, 'cause what they don't know won't hurt 'em.

Drag in as much cash as possible, and if it was a long nite, I'd hit the pay phone when the kitchen closed, tell the man to get his ass down, I'd buy more shit, get him some beer or food on the house, go hit, and close the bar down raking in the cash.

Its hard to believe it ever seemed that simple...

Wow, old memories, damn, thanks dog.

[Coddfish]

Man, BD, this is a great thread! Maybe won't feel so bad about shooting on the drive home after reading this thread in a coupla days. used to score down south, and then after I moved up north, started agian. It's always been a similar set up: get into the town where the boys are, give em a ring ring (or a beep beep, wait wait down south) They say where to meet them, which was almost always near a highway used to go home. Ok, meet the boys and get on highway going standard cruise control 72 mph, pull open balloon with teeth, pull out ziploc baggie with works and such and start multi-tasking. It was tar there, so no worries about spilling it dry, and drove a later model family car w/ good suspension so not too much worry wet. work everything up with water bought at the same convenience store from which the call is made. Cook and everything. Within 2 minutes things were good, as long as stuff doesn't have to be hidden from truckers passing by cause stuff is all over the front seat--then maybe 4 or 5 minutes. (Cut me some slack on the time, I was driving for godsakes) No tie off, in fact never have. drive with left hand, using right to poke the left wrist. This way I could watch the road while performing. SAFTEY FIRST!! Wash, rinse, repeat in about 20 minutes. end up with a mysterious black spot on the nice plush upholstery on the passenger seat from the bottom of spoon. ("That's weird, honey, don't know where that came from. It's on your side, you musta done it.") Do that for 4 years, and you will have a GREAT life.
:rolleyes:

[poppy]

Black dog, that makes me drool.

That takes me back and whilst I never ever had it quite that easy; it was a damn site easier than it is now! Those definitely were the days!

[shaunclo]

I never really hard that hard a time finding veins, still dont. I guess I am just blessed with big ol fat veins. One thing I do a lot is switch spots ALL THE TIME!!!! I never shoot in the same place twice in the same day. I can see why this is a big reason wy people loose their veins.

[exitwound]

i don't IV. i have great veins, from a lifetime of being an endurance athlete.

[blackdog]

ohhhhh myyyyyyyy

[madnesscult]

Yeah, I also make a point to change spots (if possible), but being female, I am blessed with shitty, small, and few veins.

[Curio]

I have a lot of collateral circulation from being, as EW said, an "athlete" for many years(started long distance running in the 5th grade, then A LOT of weightlifting to be able to pass my firefighter candidate physical agility testing).

plus I really only used my veins for a few months several years ago, now I'm using them off and on for licit as well as illicit use:D

My last marathon I came home and started an 18 gauge IV and poured in a bag (one liter) of normal saline; I wasn't hardly even sore because I was able to get so well hydrated and flush out the lactic acid so quickly!

[Curio]

of course, AFTER I posted this...well I did something really stupid...had never abused my OC and it was appearing as though this was my last script so I wanted to see what it was like to IV it. Oh yeah, I didn't have any filtering supplies to speak of, just filtered twice through cotton and had tried to heat and separate the wax....

You experienced folks probably know what my arm looks and feels like at the moment.:o

I just ordered some keflex to be express mailed cause I really can't imagine going to any place where they would NOT know me and know that I should KNOW better -- and where they would also probably be taken aback at the fact that I "shot" drugs!

[superman]

I use 29 guage 1cc long point insulin syringes. the only veins i use are the two mains on my left arm, one of which brances in two, and the fatty on my right inside elbow. even when using very heavily i can usually hit these no problem. occasionally i'll use the mains on my right arm to lightent he load.

If i keep under control, like 4 hits/day i can put them all into the inside elbow vein where nobody see's the marks

I always tie off. i use a bungee cords with the hook cut off one end, and the hook on the other end bent into an eye. works awesome, i bite the strap to pull it away from my skin so it doesn't pinch, then i pull the strap tight. then i swing my arm in a circle about 5 times and my veins are perked right up. obviously this is easier done stranding than driving, as such i don't do hits while rolling, but i'll pull over and do them for sure

I only have trouble when i do coke, cuz a good smash leaves me shaking like a leaf

"just filtered twice through cotton and had tried to heat and separate the wax...."
I don't quite follow you. the way to separate the wax is to let it cool to room temp, then toss in your cotton to suck up the hit

[junkiebrewster]

I knew a chick who could hit her neck vein while driving a car. Fuckin' unreal.

[paperrabbit]

coma - how's your arm?????

Sure didn't sound pretty....

[exitwound]

ohhhhh myyyyyyyy

plus there's the fact that i don't react well to wounds of any kind, including simple blood draws and other superficial injections to say nothing of a home-prepared dope shot. it's part of my runaway inflammation condition.

[Curio]

coma - how's your arm?????

Sure didn't sound pretty....

all better now...mainly the prob was the dull needles. Probably didn't even need the antibiotics except I have another sinus infection, so what the hay!

I just put a moist heating pad around my arm on and off
for several hours. Thanks for asking!

I can't believe it but the smaller needles were actually causing me to miss my shot or for my veins to blow! When I went up to a 25 gauge instead of 29, I was fine after that!

[superman]

holy fucking shite!!! 25 guage!!!!!! that's some scary shit man, my veins would be toast in no time.

[Phluck]

I shot with a 25 guage once, it wasn't THAT bad, but it did kinda hurt, and it bled a bunch more than usual. It was the needle that came with the 3cc syringes at the exchange... but it turned out that they actually handed out 27 guage needles to switch, I didn't know about that then, now I do.

[Set]

Ooh! Ooh! Oh! Ow! Ow! EEEYOW!...Needles don't react well with me...Better for you dog...but I had to many of em stuck in me while in Hospital...I just canna do it Capn!...I am like exitwound...don't care for those stingers! Wish I could but I can't...waaaay too phobic!:eek:

That's why I always look for other means of ingestion...imbibe...snort...is osmosis a viable method?:D

[Phluck]

I remember the first time I used a needle... I was nervous as hell, my hands were shaking, and I could barely believe I did it when I first stuck it in. So you tend to learn how to do it and get over the anxiety.

Not that I recommend starting. The act of using the needle is addictive in itself...

[superman]

"I was nervous as hell, my hands were shaking, and I could barely believe I did it when I first stuck it in."

same here, i had to poke myself about 4 times before i was able to push the plunger....
it was hard cuz i had no teacher, i remember missing with a demerol ampoule(sp?), it swelled right the fuck up, like half an inch up and a two inch diameter. that would have scared me shitless had it not been a sterile ampoule....

[Phluck]

Yeah, same here, I did it all by myself as well....

[zombiewoof23]

I've yet to cross that line, but if I did I would have to have somebody else hit me. I can't look when I'm getting blood drawn or I'm getting shots at the Doc's office.

[Phluck]

I've yet to cross that line, but if I did I would have to have somebody else hit me. I can't look when I'm getting blood drawn or I'm getting shots at the Doc's office.

Honestly, neither can I. For some reason injecting yourself is way different. The needles they use to draw blood are also a much lower guage (like 25), so they hurt and bleed a lot more than the little insulin needles used for shooting drugs (which are like 27-29g). I didn't think I'd be able to do it when I first tried, but it really wasn't that bad.

[paperrabbit]

I don't IV but I i know I'm getting dangerously close to that point. However, my use is not very widely known, and those who DO know would never step near a needle, so I'd have to teach myself. I've a fascination with needles and am actually surprised I was able to keep away from it this long, with one of my best friends (now clean) shooting up right in front of me, making it appear as easy as breathing. I think all the missed shot horror stories (pains, abcess) are slowing the roll...maybe for the better

[blackdog]

yo paperrabbit how ya gonna learn except from personal expierience. i mean if doing it the wrong way isnt pleasant then we tend to refrain from those practices untill we learn and get better at doing something so wrong soooo gooood!!
just my razzled thoughts

peace be safe
da/dawgg:rolleyes:

[blackdog]

Ooh! Ooh! Oh! Ow! Ow! EEEYOW!...Needles don't react well with me...Better for you dog...but I had to many of em stuck in me while in Hospital...I just canna do it Capn!...I am like exitwound...don't care for those stingers! Wish I could but I can't...waaaay too phobic!:eek:

That's why I always look for other means of ingestion...imbibe...snort...is osmosis a viable method?:D

HAVE YA CONSIDERED TRYING BUTTMOSIS/ANALMOSIS ??:p :rolleyes: :cool:

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

I don't IV but I i know I'm getting dangerously close to that point. However, my use is not very widely known, and those who DO know would never step near a needle, so I'd have to teach myself. I've a fascination with needles and am actually surprised I was able to keep away from it this long, with one of my best friends (now clean) shooting up right in front of me, making it appear as easy as breathing. I think all the missed shot horror stories (pains, abcess) are slowing the roll...maybe for the better


Paperrabbit Please listen to me.If you are going to try it I know you will anyways but if you haven't tried it in this long I'd say Don't Start because it will be all you think of when you wake up,when that first pill wears off you'll be needing to do another and all the horror stories you've heard about abcesses and stuff,Don't forget to throw in the cotton fever .I wish I would have never started.
Actually I had quit for 37 days,but that feeling was always in the back of my mind so I messed up and did it again last night.I don't know if you are male or female but that also has alot to do with it I think anyways.I can never find a vein and I often find myself spending over an hour in the bathroom and still not finding a vein,just wasting my time and making a mess of my arms,but if you have it in your mind to try it I'm sure you probably will.
Now to answer Codd's question I use 30 gauge 1ml. I think but sometimes I use the half ml. too.And please don't think I am trying to preach to you I just prey I woulda had a forum like this to read before I started doing it and now it's too late for me but it's not to late for you.:) Oh one more thing I never use a short needle because that really makes things worse for me.

[Curio]

"I was nervous as hell, my hands were shaking, and I could barely believe I did it when I first stuck it in."
same here, i had to poke myself about 4 times before i was able to push the plunger....
it was hard cuz i had no teacher, i remember missing with a demerol ampoule(sp?), it swelled right the fuck up, like half an inch up and a two inch diameter. that would have scared me shitless had it not been a sterile ampoule....


I guess I was pretty lucky in my experiences with IV learning techniques...we had a registered nurse and a few paramedics teaching us....then they sicced us on each other and supplied us with various sized IV caths, blood draw kits, butterfly needles, etc...we all walked around for 1-2 months looking like blindfolded junkies had hit us, lol....

kinda off-topic here:
you guys would shyte if you saw some of the stuff we learned to do with GIANT needles ~ hitting people's central circulatory systems, such as external jugular veins as well as sticking the largest one possible into a person's chest at just the right spot for treating breathing/collapsed lung kind of a problem...oh yeah, there's also this one needle I have actually used on a real human outside of training that is REALLY BIG...we stick it into the person's shin bone into the marrow! That's usually for a child, however...

There's another one now that's similar for adults that luckily the person is unconscious or nearing death anyways cause it is around ten needles all together that are pushed into the person's sternum and then when it's released, there's a single lumen that should sit in marrow of the sternal body that allows IV access...

Intra-osseous needles...IO access is just about as fast to hit the person as IV or rectal administration...it's just a little leaky due to the huge hole it makes and of course, incredibly painful if you're anywhere NEAR conscious....(only used if they can't get a fast IV access, anyway)

[poppy]

Hi paper rabbit,
Please listen to Vanilla, she tells it like it is!!! And I know that she knows (more than anyone) the hideous downside iv use brings. She talks from experience . Please learn from the mistakes me and Vanilla have made-don't experience them for yourself!! Believe me its not worth it!!
IVing gear brings a whole host of problems which are extra to those which come from opiate 'abuse' in general.

[poppy]

Hi paper rabbit,
Please listen to Vanilla, she tells it like it is!!! And I know that she knows (more than anyone) the hideous downside iv use brings. She talks from experience . Please learn from the mistakes me and Vanilla have made-don't experience them for yourself!! Believe me its not worth it!!
IVing gear brings a whole host of problems which are extra to those which come from opiate 'abuse' in general.

[BorisB]

I've only made two IV attempts - I had 2 sterile needles. I had made a conc. sol'n of fent.

I had done reading, but neder seen a shot done by any other than a nurse. I managed to pull back red after a few attempts, but it wasn't pleasant. It's an awful feeling to try and pull the plunger when it's not in a vein... second only to the feeling after you're through the skin and then you pop throiugh the vein... uuuugh...... makes me shiver to think of it.

[blackdog]

I've only made two IV attempts - I had 2 sterile needles. I had made a conc. sol'n of fent.

I had done reading, but neder seen a shot done by any other than a nurse. I managed to pull back red after a few attempts, but it wasn't pleasant. It's an awful feeling to try and pull the plunger when it's not in a vein... second only to the feeling after you're through the skin and then you pop throiugh the vein... uuuugh...... makes me shiver to think of it.

makes me drool with anticipation just thinking about it !!:p

[blackdog]

oldie but goodie
peace ,respect,
dawg,:rolleyes:

[Coddfish]

there are a lotta good people with lotsa good shite to say in some of these oldies.

i don't really see the problem with bringing some of them back. i like em, but then i'm old.

[Tbird921]

I'll probaly end up doing H but just snorting or smoking it, I'm too scared to IV.

[red26]

I used to shoot in my arms but my shit got so tracked out I had scarrs for a cupla years. If I shoot at all its always in my hands in the same places-2. I'm also a diabetic now as of 2 years ago so frsh riggs are always there and def. cause less scarring. Nuthin werse than tryin to push what resembles a ballpoint into yer arm. Reminds me of some chick sayin once "he was tryin to put it in my ass but he was'nt hard enuff. It was like trying to push a marshmallow thru a keyhole."

[OxyQueen]

one word for scars on arms....MACDERMA...that shit works amazingly!!!

I've used it for several scars...my c-section scar....my breast implant scars...you can't even SEE them now.

I highly recommend it to all you iv users.

A good friend of mine, used to shoot coke like crazy. He had scars...deeps holes is more like it.
I gave him a tube of that shit and hes been using it for a couple of months now and you can NOT even see the scars anymore. That shit is miracle cream...definitely give it a try!

[SeVeN]

of course, AFTER I posted this...well I did something really stupid...had never abused my OC and it was appearing as though this was my last script so I wanted to see what it was like to IV it. Oh yeah, I didn't have any filtering supplies to speak of, just filtered twice through cotton and had tried to heat and separate the wax....

You experienced folks probably know what my arm looks and feels like at the moment.:o

I just ordered some keflex to be express mailed cause I really can't imagine going to any place where they would NOT know me and know that I should KNOW better -- and where they would also probably be taken aback at the fact that I "shot" drugs!

Keflex can be a junkie lifesaver. I can still find veins in my arms but after I use them they dissapear for a while. I recently shot up a few times and now my veins are in hiding. Fixing in the foot sucks IMO. I used to poke the shit outta my arm till it was so sore? numb?. Oh well I've learned I cant hold up that lifestyle so I try to stay away.

I disturb the fuck out of myself when I see somebody with huge veins all over and stil picture a needle sliding in.

[OxyQueen]

Keflex can be a junkie lifesaver. I can still find veins in my arms but after I use them they dissapear for a while. I recently shot up a few times and now my veins are in hiding. Fixing in the foot sucks IMO. I used to poke the shit outta my arm till it was so sore? numb?. Oh well I've learned I cant hold up that lifestyle so I try to stay away.

I disturb the fuck out of myself when I see somebody with huge veins all over and stil picture a needle sliding in.

Oh you would LOVE my veins...they are always pumped up...i've iv a few times in the past and it was EASY no tying off needed.

only when i am dehydrated is when they "hide"

i remember being in the hospital dehydrated cuz of puking so much when i was prego....the nurse kept missing and missing...i felt like grabbing the dam thing and doing it myself. She made a fuckin' mess outta me

But yeah...my veins are always sticking out...it looks kinda gross, like i just worked out or something. Maybe cuz i am so thin??? I don't know...

[pippin]

macderma works for alot of things... I used it on my stretch marks, and they were deep and wide, and now you can barely see them.

[JTDuffet]

Hi Everyone, boy i love this site. :) as for me, I live in one of those needle friendly states that passed laws allowing us to buy them over the counter at most drug stores..

The points that I use are the BD 1 CC, 30 gauge, 1/2" needle.

I have included a picture of the package. :)

-jt

[chloe]

your story made me salivate daaaamn! i'm a little girl with even littler veins :( the ones in the bend of my elbow still work but i gotta get extra long needles to plow through all that scar tissue. most of my veins are too small to use and the ones that are big enough wobble around and move like crrrazzy. sucks bein a girl when ya wanna get high quick but at least i've got a few good veins in rotation right now. be safe everyone

[nycjrt]

Hi Everyone, boy i love this site. :) as for me, I live in one of those needle friendly states that passed laws allowing us to buy them over the counter at most drug stores..
The points that I use are the BD 1 CC, 30 gauge, 1/2" needle.
I have included a picture of the package. :)
-jt
my favorite! i used to always ask for 29g but a lot of pharmacies claim to be 'sold out' - i usually have better luck with 30s. i was a dope addict for years (chasing/sniffing) and was DEATHLY afraid of needles- until i answered an ad in the back of the village voice for "Buprenorphine Detox" - one trip to a shady doctor and I had 150 ampules of bupe...lets just say i got over my fear of needles real fast and then when the bupe ran out decided to experiment with everything else... since it's summer i'm trying to keep my arms clear, so hands/legs (can't stand the histamine reaction in my feet) and/or smoking