chocolate bars & methadone

[warmgun]

hi,
a few times now i have heard about eating a chocolate bar as a means to strengthen
the coming-on of methadone.
do you know about this or something similar?
have you experience with it?

what's the best timing?

[Canis aureus]

Is it the sugar, or somethinmg in choco? Usually we drink coffee after having methadone, or when feeling first effects, but chocolate is also good.

Haven't read enything, but could test tomorrow ;-)

[poppy]

i have heard about eating a chocolate bar as a means to strengthen
the coming-on of methadone.

I don't know if there is some chemical reaction which occurs when you eat chocolate on top of methadone, but if there is it has never been strong enough for me to notice.

If only it was true! opiates and chocolate, two of my favourite things!!!

[Canis aureus]

I ate chocolate today again; It is my favourites also... had nice peak also. I'm not sure was it because of choco or what (I thought that maybe they have had accidently put too much on my cup). maybe it was the choco, but I'll eat chocolate also tomorrow (as I'll eat it anyway, the most probably;))

[HistoryofMadness]

hi,
a few times now i have heard about eating a chocolate bar as a means to strengthen
the coming-on of methadone.
do you know about this or something similar?
have you experience with it?

what's the best timing?

I love chocolate almost as much as I love opiates. I have always known that choc enhances the experience, but until recently I didn't know it potentiated the experience too.... come along let's broaden our search horizons:

Key word 'chocolate' and the best post on this topic is:

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=451

BTW, in my experience, as good as chocolate is for enhancement, try it in detox / WD... for the best effects wait a couple of days or so, the longer the better, and then pop some really pure chocolate (http://www.mrkland.com/fun/xocoatl/bars.htm)! BAM! (note: the link is not a vendor; it is some good info every chocoholic ought to know! scroll down to "the necessary ingredients" section for the best info right up front!)

Good thread (now I'm gonna go have a choc bar!).

-H

[jacky]

I have used chocolate in conjunction with opiates/opioids for a few years intentionally, especially raw cocoa nibs, or powdered cocoa.

one time just using poppy seeds, chocolate, 1 gram tryphtophan, schizandra berries and mixing the ingredients together and quickly drinking..in 20 minutes I started feeling a little sick...this progressed, and soon I could barely feel the ends of my arms, hands, and feet. I rode my bike home hap-hazardly, and only felt better when I was in a reclining position...
this chocolate experiment was a little too much, and I vomited a few times after getting home.

looking at anandamide,and its relation to THC, I think chocolate could have bioactivity associated with chemicals beyond the oft. mentioned theobromine/phenylethyamine......if anandamide shares effecting the kappa opioid receptor similiar to THC...then perhaps potentiation of opiates by using solid doses of chocolate is due in part to this interaction?
some scientists think that naloxone can inhibit chocolate craving, and I think some physicians have even used naloxone as a prescription drug for chocoholics.
so maybe chocolate is not just some old junkies myth of last resort options when kicking. maybe chocolates pull and allure is due in part to interaction with the pleasure centers due to a variety of reasons...amino acids of course, perhaps theobromine, and maybe kappa opiate active THC analogs like anandamide, which also occurs in the human body, known as the "bliss molecule".

I thought a good admixture to the catuama blend of herbs, would be chocolate 4x extracts....maybe drop out the guarana and supplement the cocoa extract instead...

[Canis aureus]

there is vendor etc information, but it's relatively good...

http://www.1fast400.com/i62_Chocamine.html

[Thebaine]

Have you all heard the song "Morphine and Chocolate" by Concrete Blonde? In the song, the combo is a way to get over heartache or heartbreak "morphine and chocolate are my substitutes for you" are some of the lyrics. It is true that opiates and chocolate go together. Each makes the other more pleasurable. One increases the euphoria of the other. Science does back that up, I'm sure that is where the links will lead you. I just wanted to point out that morphine and chocolate have their own love song, and I am sure that methadone and chocolate are the same. Some scientists wonder if the euphoria is increased because some chemicals in some opiates are fat soluble. It probably has more to do with the chemical combinations and concentrations though, but there is something to what you are saying, warmgun, and it is likely that they are both potentiators for each other, so if you like methadone and chocolate, you will definitely like the two together.
There is also something to nicotine and opiates potentiating each other. Anyone that smokes might have noticed an increase in their smoking habit while under the influence of an opiate. I have noticed the nicotine more than the chocolate, but definitely am aware of both. I just gotta love how healthy opiates encourage me to be - LOL.

[malice13]

So........how true is it? about the chocolate thing? I just heard that a guy took 1/4 cup of brown sugar with two 40mg wafers and it kicked his ass. anybody have any info for this? I currently eat the 40mg wafers but am game to try anything.

p.s. does anyone have any leads for any methadone programs in the seattle-renton area?

[jacky]

yeah, choco has salsaloline, an isoquinoline that has dopaminergic qualitys...which could translate into opioid qualitys perhaps....the "opioidopamine" connection in the mesolimbic system may create opioid release through dopamine agonist acitivity, or vice versa.........

choco also contians anandamide...a THC like compound....if this compound effects the kappa opioid receptors like THC does, well, then there is another opioid connection...

also, chocolate and naloxone studies seem interesting.

I use raw chocolate every few days to every day, and I swear that if you are already a little too high it will put you over the edge.

I am coming up with a herb blend similiar to the catuama patented blend...similiar but NOT THE SAME.....and instead of guarana I am going to use this chocamine extract...the catuama patented blend has some data referring that it is cross tolerant to morphine in some unknown way, so perhaps the chocamine will "step this up a notch BAM!!"