View Full Version : A good picture about tramadol side effects..
Some say that a picture its worth a thousand words. so it goes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Side_effects_of_Tramadol.png
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Ickyuck
03-31-2009, 08:57 PM
I can't find anything to say.
I can't find anything to say.
I'll say it 4 ya...."Tramadol sucks ass"....
skabbo
04-01-2009, 08:02 AM
Well, at least he looks happy.
hydro chris
04-01-2009, 08:35 AM
Well, at least he looks happy. lol
Read the complete list of side effects for ANY medication and you can come up with a chart just as bad if not worse than that one. 99% of people probably will have two, MAYBE three of the minor side effects listed, while they won't have ANY of the serious side effects listed. It's just what COULD happen. Tramadol really isn't as dangerous as everyone makes it out to be.
Its good to know the side effects that one can get from taking or after taking some medication.. And many people are taking tramadol these days, and some of them are taking them in really large amounts, so when they stop or something, they should have a list of symptons to compare. At least thats what i think about it..
And tramadol without tolerance was one of my favorite opiates, and its a good help for opiate WDs thats easy available for many of us..
So if it sucks or not, i think its a blessing.. if someday tramdol would become dificult/impossible to get than most of us would have something to lost.. There is certainly a place for Tramadol in the opiate community/world!
I used to love that stuff, and it would last allmost as long as methadone, And i took it about 6 months without great increase in tolerance or much decrease in effects.. Great times those were.. And i had morphine MST-100s available at the time, and still would prefer tramadol at the time, cause at the time it felt better and i didnt knew how to IV the MST-100s..
Read the complete list of side effects for ANY medication and you can come up with a chart just as bad if not worse than that one. 99% of people probably will have two, MAYBE three of the minor side effects listed, while they won't have ANY of the serious side effects listed. It's just what COULD happen. Tramadol really isn't as dangerous as everyone makes it out to be.
Yes its true, even the seizures are not that dangerous for people not predisposed to seizures, but its got a bad rep around some places..
Madam Oxy
04-01-2009, 10:24 AM
I think the companies making the pills list just about anything that might happen when you take their product. This way you've been warned and can't sue them when you have a reaction of some kind. Kinda like McD's putting the 'hot beverage' warning on their coffee cups.
longduckdong
04-01-2009, 11:28 AM
I'll say it 4 ya...."Tramadol sucks ass"....
^ + 1,000
dannydanko420
04-14-2009, 02:25 AM
YUP PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE SAID IT
IT SUX ASS!!!!!!!
THATS ONE OF THE FIRST PILL FOR PAIN THE PUT ME ON THEN THEY WENT TO VICODIN, IS IT TRUE THAT TRAMADOL ISN'T( IS NOT) A NARCOTIC?
ANYWAY NOW LOOK AT ME JUST STARTED TAPERING OFF THE PATCH WITH dILAUDID SO YEA I'VE BEEN THERE, AND YOU KNO THE REST!!!!!!
TAKE CARE AND MEDICATE SAFELY IF YOU NEED TO, IF NOT DONT EVEN TRY, ONE ROAD THAT DOESNT LEAD ANYWHERE GOOD!!!!! :drool:
AceBeans
04-14-2009, 03:23 AM
Read the complete list of side effects for ANY medication and you can come up with a chart just as bad if not worse than that one. 99% of people probably will have two, MAYBE three of the minor side effects listed, while they won't have ANY of the serious side effects listed. It's just what COULD happen. Tramadol really isn't as dangerous as everyone makes it out to be.
No it isn't, you're right. The biggest risk that most of us have with Tramadol is taking to much and end up having a seizure which is serious but can be avoided if you don't over-do-it big time. Like Indy said, every single drug has tons of side effects just like these, that maybe even less than 1% of people experienced this side effect during the trials but since it is possible they are obligated to list them. It's extremely rare that a lot of these side effects would occur with most of us.
But yeah, tramadol still sucks...
jacky
04-14-2009, 03:33 AM
for me, tramadol worked wonders.
its so close in structure, to venlafaxine.
My Dr prescribed me venlafaxine, partly, because I was a heroin addict, non active, with depression.
well, venlafaxine was the best anti depressant I have ever experienced.
but highly addictive.
when I found out tramadol and venlafaxine were very close in structure..almost the same structure, by looking at the structures in the merck index...I wondered how chemists and Dr's could NOT know or at least question that both compounds might have opioid activity, as well as dopaminergic and serotonergic activity.
the quick tolerance curve many people experience with venlafaxine, the physical withdrawls, should have been an early warning sign.
I find it ironic, that I was prescribed an addictive substance, with opioidergic activity, because it seemed to work well for recovering heroin addicts.
I also find it ironic, that some Dr's were pushing tramadol as a non narcotic pain reliever with little chance of addictive side effects.
it doesnt take a fucking genius to figure out that if two compounds are almost identicle that they might also have similiar effects.
this is an example, of how the drug war has influenced unscientific actions. its an example, just why the patient should no longer just expect Dr's to give them the best treatment possible.
I find it an outrage that loperamide is not labeled an opioid medicine on the package. its unscientific, and its wrong to subject people that might want to avoid opioids at all costs, to an opioid, that isnt labeled as such.
I have used tramadol to replace oxycodone, and poppy seed tea habituation.
it has worked fine for me.
at least, I could sleep, and make it to work.
much better than stopping everything to hit rehab, and try and pick the peices up and put them all together again.
I found tramadol, relatively easy to get scripted. one of the few pharmaceuticals opioids that I didnt have a problem getting prescribed.
I understand that some people cannot tolerate the stuff, for me, it works well. I find that tramadol is like taking a anti depressant, ADHD medication, and opioid all at once.
venlafaxine seems a bit stronger....definitely more stimulating. and also seems more addictive than tramadol. why, I have no idea, perhaps its in my head.
the first time I started venlafaxine, I was accused by my boss, and NA/AA freinds of relapsing,...because I felt so good on the stuff.
My Dr told me I could skip doses, and not suffer sexual side effects. but after a few weeks, I knew, that if I missed a dose, I wouldnt feel like having sex.
kicking venlafaxine is as bad, or worse for me, as kicking standard opiates.
Read the complete list of side effects for ANY medication and you can come up with a chart just as bad if not worse than that one. 99% of people probably will have two, MAYBE three of the minor side effects listed, while they won't have ANY of the serious side effects listed. It's just what COULD happen. Tramadol really isn't as dangerous as everyone makes it out to be.
Indy's so cool..lol..for some reason he always says what i'd say if i was to answer whatever he gives an answer to:p
jacky , thats very well said, as aallways.. :) for me tramadoll is without tolerance an wonderfull drug, one of the better ephoria of all, but thats witout any tolerance or at least little.
Here is the same picture for oxycodone:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Side_effects_of_Oxycodone.png
losangeleslifer
04-23-2009, 01:33 AM
Damn!! This fuckers got all the goods!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Short-term_effects_of_heroin.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Short-term_effects_of_heroin.png)
chopstix
04-23-2009, 04:28 AM
^^ they forgot itchy nuts and a smiley face..
^^ they forgot itchy nuts and a smiley face..
LOL, but seriously now that you bring that up they didn't include itchiness, weird.
PhoenixRisen
04-28-2009, 08:00 PM
I can maintain on Trammies, they like step-up tylenol really... I had a seizure after four 50's, so... it doesn't take that much... if I'm really itchin, Tramadol can make me euphoric, but that's just the fix and disappears.. I think they're useful. .. but soooo much less useful than a shitload of other meds
okie dokie
07-30-2009, 04:26 PM
SAME WITH HYDROCODONE!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Side_effects_of_Hydrocodone.png
rosebud
07-31-2009, 02:03 AM
for me, tramadol worked wonders.
its so close in structure, to venlafaxine.
My Dr prescribed me venlafaxine, partly, because I was a heroin addict, non active, with depression.
well, venlafaxine was the best anti depressant I have ever experienced.
but highly addictive.
when I found out tramadol and venlafaxine were very close in structure..almost the same structure, by looking at the structures in the merck index...I wondered how chemists and Dr's could NOT know or at least question that both compounds might have opioid activity, as well as dopaminergic and serotonergic activity.
the quick tolerance curve many people experience with venlafaxine, the physical withdrawls, should have been an early warning sign.
I find it ironic, that I was prescribed an addictive substance, with opioidergic activity, because it seemed to work well for recovering heroin addicts.
I also find it ironic, that some Dr's were pushing tramadol as a non narcotic pain reliever with little chance of addictive side effects.
it doesnt take a fucking genius to figure out that if two compounds are almost identicle that they might also have similiar effects.
this is an example, of how the drug war has influenced unscientific actions. its an example, just why the patient should no longer just expect Dr's to give them the best treatment possible.
I find it an outrage that loperamide is not labeled an opioid medicine on the package. its unscientific, and its wrong to subject people that might want to avoid opioids at all costs, to an opioid, that isnt labeled as such.
I have used tramadol to replace oxycodone, and poppy seed tea habituation.
it has worked fine for me.
at least, I could sleep, and make it to work.
much better than stopping everything to hit rehab, and try and pick the peices up and put them all together again.
I found tramadol, relatively easy to get scripted. one of the few pharmaceuticals opioids that I didnt have a problem getting prescribed.
I understand that some people cannot tolerate the stuff, for me, it works well. I find that tramadol is like taking a anti depressant, ADHD medication, and opioid all at once.
venlafaxine seems a bit stronger....definitely more stimulating. and also seems more addictive than tramadol. why, I have no idea, perhaps its in my head.
the first time I started venlafaxine, I was accused by my boss, and NA/AA freinds of relapsing,...because I felt so good on the stuff.
My Dr told me I could skip doses, and not suffer sexual side effects. but after a few weeks, I knew, that if I missed a dose, I wouldnt feel like having sex.
kicking venlafaxine is as bad, or worse for me, as kicking standard opiates.
Kicking Tramadol was the worst experience of my life-bar none. Worse than any opiate. Have you ever had to go off it?
Synack
07-31-2009, 02:12 AM
Kicking Tramadol was the worst experience of my life-bar none. Worse than any opiate. Have you ever had to go off it?
It's due to the SNRI effects... kinda like kicking cymbalta and opiates at the same down.
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I find it an outrage that loperamide is not labeled an opioid medicine on the package. its unscientific, and its wrong to subject people that might want to avoid opioids at all costs, to an opioid, that isnt labeled as such.
Uh, on my generic walgreens package on the back, it mentions it an opiod .. I'll see if I can find the box and scan it if you want..
Ickyuck
07-31-2009, 02:34 PM
Trams keep me well in between shortages. I am very thankful they are around, in fact. Cuts down my cravings completely.
doctor diesel
07-31-2009, 03:26 PM
Yeah, they work an absolute treat for me too, much as I don't 'enjoy' them.
Interesting that the side-effects pic for Heroin had only half as many side effects as the pics for the other drugs. Or is it that someone cut half the picture off?
Doc
Ickyuck
07-31-2009, 04:27 PM
Oh, I used to enjoy them. Waay back, when tolerance was at a fabled low. Hit me like a shovel. Now... they just give me weird energy. Like Jacky is saying... an anti-depressant effect (and ye gods know how many I am on currently anyway). Gets me up in the morning and going. But gone is the pleasure..
doctor diesel
07-31-2009, 04:38 PM
They are definitely 'energising', but not in a nice, comfy way, more of a 'wired, anxious' way. For me anyway.
Ickyuck
07-31-2009, 04:41 PM
They are definitely 'energising', but not in a nice, comfy way, more of a 'wired, anxious' way. For me anyway.
Oh, I hear you, doc. Yeah... like in a weird, wired way. But, at the same time it calms my opiate hounding nerves... DAMN... such a dichotomy.
doctor diesel
07-31-2009, 04:45 PM
You're right there, Ick. When I run out of H, just three trams keep me in shape until the next successful score-run!
Ickyuck
07-31-2009, 05:00 PM
You mean ER's, doc?? Yeah... 3 200 mgs will keep me good.
doctor diesel
07-31-2009, 05:01 PM
You mean ER's, doc?? Yeah... 3 200 mgs will keep me good.
Actually, no, Ick. 3 x 50mg instants are what I use, and they do the trick for HOURS.
Doc
okie dokie
07-31-2009, 05:01 PM
Yeah, they work an absolute treat for me too, much as I don't 'enjoy' them.
Interesting that the side-effects pic for Heroin had only half as many side effects as the pics for the other drugs. Or is it that someone cut half the picture off?
Doc
HERE IS THE OTHER HALF!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Long-term_effects_of_heroin.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Long-term_effects_of_heroin.png
Ickyuck
07-31-2009, 05:02 PM
I have a WHACK tramadol tolerance.
doctor diesel
07-31-2009, 05:29 PM
[QUOTE=okie dokie;403864]HERE IS THE OTHER HALF!
QUOTE]
Aaah! Now I understand.
doctor diesel
07-31-2009, 05:30 PM
I have a WHACK tramadol tolerance.
Yep, it really does sound like it! And you've never had a seizure at that kind of dose?
Ickyuck
07-31-2009, 05:33 PM
Nope. In fact 4 ERS used to be my usual. Yup... 800 whopper migs. Yeah.. I know, SeriSyndrome territory... *shrugs* but after 2 years so far no spazzerfitz.
doctor diesel
07-31-2009, 05:38 PM
Goodferyou, Ick!
Ickyuck
07-31-2009, 09:12 PM
*pats self on back as a respectful anti-spazz*
rosebud
08-01-2009, 04:30 AM
*pats self on back as a respectful anti-spazz*
At one point I was taking 8 Ultram a day! Just worked my way off for the 4th (and hope) FINAL time. This time the WD was not bad. The other 3 times= absolute HELL!! I am sure the relative ease this time was thanks to the powerful Opi in my system. Before, even w/ Norco, Xanax and Ambien, it was hell! Worst anxiety attacks I have ever had-all night. Chest pains, extreme fatigue during the day and couldn’t sleep at night-the usual. Worst were the brain zaps (think: cattle prod on brain) and the anxiety attacks. 1st time, I didn’t know Trams were addictive. I just stopped them 1 day after my migraines stopped. OMG!! I woke up in the middle of the night absolutely frozen in panic/anxiety like nothing I have ever felt (and I had bad panic attacks during college years). I didn’t understand it was all from tram WD until a day later when I finally took one because I felt another migraine coming on and Voila! Within 30 minutes, anxiety and brain zaps-gone! Then I thought, holy shit-I just experienced WD and totally freaked!! I went to the doc next day and burst into tears telling her what happened. I was so caught off guard and flipped. She was great and gave me some darvocet or something lame like that to taper off -lol-those were the good, ole low tolerance days!
This was in the very first year of Tramadol and nobody had yet heard of problems with WD. That was mmm 16 years ago (or something like that) and they have been threatening a class change since about 2 years after they came out and the problems with addiction/dependence started showing up. But, it’s not gonna happen. Docs/medical community have been sold them as a "non narcotic”, non addictive miracle pain reliever with none of the same issues as Narcs (even though they know that isn’t true). They like them because it is an easy out for blowing new or naïve pain patients off without having to write them a real scrip for pain pills. And, if they suspect someone is after drugs, they will start them with Trams-almost every time! Only people who want it to change are those who have been affected negatively by the drug somehow….
So, take care with the Trams Icky( and others) and if you go off them, TAPER SLOW!! Just remember, trams are not as harmless as the docs/Pharmaceutical companies say. Try not to get on too god awful high of a dose if you can help it cause you know, there is no such thing as a free lunch and all that. Oh, and also remember that....objects in the mirror are closer than they appear (just thought since I was tossing out ominous warnings, I’d throw out an oldy but goodie!).
RB
chemiKalz
08-01-2009, 01:20 PM
He's cut off at the waste, what about the ass and cock/vagina side effects? One would think those would be of concern, oh and yes tramadol sucks donkey balls.
bodytec
08-01-2009, 02:35 PM
Here is the same picture for oxycodone:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Side_effects_of_Oxycodone.png
had none of these to speak of
Ickyuck
08-01-2009, 06:14 PM
Thanks Rosebud, yeah those WD's are similiar to getting off SNRI anti depressants due to their chemical similarity. I'm already on a SNRI (I know, like hello SeriSyndrome) and didn't experience those WD's from tramadol at all, if any.
Speaking of mirrors, ironically, Tramadol is a stereo image so to speak (racemic in chem terms) of codeine.
rosebud
08-02-2009, 01:04 AM
Thanks Rosebud, yeah those WD's are similiar to getting off SNRI anti depressants due to their chemical similarity. I'm already on a SNRI (I know, like hello SeriSyndrome) and didn't experience those WD's from tramadol at all, if any.
Speaking of mirrors, ironically, Tramadol is a stereo image so to speak (racemic in chem terms) of codeine.
When you went off of Tramadol, were you on the SNRI (or I guess now I have cornfuzzeled myself-have you gone of Trams?). Because I think that being on Cymbalta is what made me not have WDs this last time. That is the only thing I can think of because the other 3 times have been some of the most miserable experiences of my life! :sickinbed What level was your highest dose (was it 800mg? ER) and did you taper? I have never taken ER. I wonder if that makes a difference in intensity of WDs?
I sure hope you feel better soon from your recent bathroom sickness Icky. You really outta at least try your pod remnants in some tea Icky-cant hurt and might help? :uhhohh:
Take Care,
RB
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