Obama and Holder Full of Shit on End of Raids

[Paregoric Kid]

As Promised, He Called Off the Medical Marijuana Raids—For a Week

Jacob Sullum (http://www.reason.com/staff/hitandrun/128.html) | March 26, 2009, 1:12pm
Well, this (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/BA5B16N9LR.DTL) didn't take long:Federal agents raided a medical marijuana dispensary in San Francisco Wednesday, a week after U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder signaled that the Obama administration would not prosecute distributors of pot used for medicinal purposes that operate under sanction of state law.
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents raided Emmalyn's California Cannabis Clinic at 1597 Howard St. in San Francisco's South of Market district mid-afternoon....
The dispensary had been operating with a temporary permit issued by the Department of Public Health.
"Based on our investigation, we believe there are not only violations of federal law, but state law as well," DEA Special Agent in Charge Anthony Williams said in a prepared statement....
A source in San Francisco city government who was informed about the raid said the DEA's action appeared to be prompted by alleged financial improprieties related to the payment of sales taxes.
If those alleged sales tax problems turn out to be the official rationale for the raid, the Obama administration's alleged change in policy may not amount to much. When Holder said the feds would not go after medical marijuana dispensaries that comply with state law, I assumed he meant state law governing the distribution of marijuana for medical use. If he instead meant any state law, the DEA has a pretext to raid any dispensary that allegedly has fallen short of a state (or local?) legal requirement, no matter how trivial, even if state law enforcement agencies have shown no interest in the issue.
I discussed the possible impact of Holder's announcement in this week's column (http://www.reason.com/news/show/132436.html).

[Seedy]

Man Obama has been full of shit on every mother fucking thing he's promised!

And to top it off the Obama civilian army bill has just been passed in house and senate. That's right, conscription in the US, Hitler Germany, Stalinist Russia stylee. I kid you not.

[opiALOVE]

its just my opinion but by the way thinga are goin, everyone that voted for him are going to be sorry. i know everyone hates bush, but the hatred toward obama will be much higher. and it waill happen sooner than later. he is a liar, nothing more. hes changing his mind left and right, what he said hes gonna do, hes not gonna do. he catching himself in his own lies. from the get go i knew this would happen, i couldnt vote for romney, but i did vote for mcCain. this country is going to fall apart quickly.....IMHO... not meant to offended any

[Seedy]

^^ the dude's just a puppet, a spokesman. The powers that be are just using him like they used bush.

[duck]

its just my opinion but by the way thinga are goin, everyone that voted for him are going to be sorry. i know everyone hates bush, but the hatred toward obama will be much higher. and it waill happen sooner than later. he is a liar, nothing more. hes changing his mind left and right, what he said hes gonna do, hes not gonna do. he catching himself in his own lies. from the get go i knew this would happen, i couldnt vote for romney, but i did vote for mcCain. this country is going to fall apart quickly.....IMHO... not meant to offended any

I could not fucking agree more.

If you couldn't call Obama for his bullshit charade, my god. His diva act was never cute to me, he made promises that were completely empty and infeasible.

I'm not saying McCain was a 100x better choice -- I'm saying that supporting Obama was a fucking mistake.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

It's been 3 months, give the guy a break

[chemiKalz]

all i have to say is RON PAUL

fuck obama, fuck bush, fuck THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM

[duck]

all i have to say is RON PAUL




W3rd. Just wait til all these old ass babyboomer-mentality'd people die off and I really think Ron Paulesque politicians may have a chance.

[SHELLEY]

oh my god a thread on HERE with people hating on obama?!?!?

hooray for hating obama!!!!

i now understand the phenomenon of "bush derangement syndrome"
because i have obama derangement syndrome
i hear that he smiled and waved to someone, i'm fuming: "that son of a BITCH!!!"

i hope the media falls out of love with this stupid cockfuck soon

[samsong]

Ron Paul is the only person in DC with any integrity--perhaps the only there that undestands what Liberty is all about. Though I did not vote for Obama, I actually did hope that he would win because i thought it would speed up the secession of many states, and if he and his admin continue along this same path, secession and the break up of this union is going to happen faster than many of us thought, but that is a good thing, because at this point, there is no rolling back the size of this federal government to anything that will resemble a free country with free states, so the only choice is to get the fuck out of the union. I am not advocating a rebellion, but peaceful secession, i.e. see ya later, leave us alone motherfuckers. Entry into the Union was not supposed to be a one ticket into the roach motel.

What would Obama (Or Bush if he was still there) do if say 5 states decide to leave the Union--how much support do you think he is going to get to imitate the tyrant Lincoln and launch a second war of federal agression? I am sure his marxist brethren will be all for the mass slaughter of the secessionists, but the current standing army wouldn't be behind him. And he knows it, that is why he wants his own new civilian army.

[AceBeans]

Man Obama has been full of shit on every mother fucking thing he's promised!

And to top it off the Obama civilian army bill has just been passed in house and senate. That's right, conscription in the US, Hitler Germany, Stalinist Russia stylee. I kid you not.


This civilian army thing is really really scary.

[Seedy]

It's completely fucked up it's like they're trying to make an army of obamanoids to enforce martial law when civil war breaks out. Notice all the restrictions being placed on buying guns & ammo?

[KiloByte]

It's been 3 months, give the guy a break

I've noticed this is the new #1 defense the Obama drones retort with when someone speaks against their dear messiah.

The funny thing is a lot of people are surprised about how many campaign promises hes managed to break not to mention the damage he caused in just 3 months.

[WarmCyanide]

I've noticed this is the new #1 defense the Obama drones retort with when someone speaks against their dear messiah.

The funny thing is a lot of people are surprised about how many campaign promises hes broken not to mention the damage he caused in just 3 months.

yes. .

[bigNasty]

This civilian army thing is really really scary.
What is this civilian army shit ya'll are talking about? Somebody explain it to me please, I usually stay in the know on politics but the news just makes me sick these days.

And i'm with chemiKalz, fuck the whole two party system. No americans are all right wing or all left wing. I know there are pro-life dems, republicans for stem cell research, etc......

But hey, at least gas is $2 a gallon with Bush out of office instead of $4. Where is the old 60's hippie outrage and demonstrations that gas was $1.15 when Bush took office, then creeped up slowly to $4 RIGHT before he left office and now it's $2 a gallon? And don't give me that global demand/Chinese people are driving more bullshit. Gas being so high is what started this recession IMO. People couldn't pay their fucked up mortgages because they were spending all their money buying gas to get to work

[Seedy]

What is this civilian army shit ya'll are talking about? Somebody explain it to me please, I usually stay in the know on politics but the news just makes me sick these days.

^^ I think it's covered in the film 'The Obama Deception', there's a link to it in my thread:

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=23140

[duck]

It's completely fucked up it's like they're trying to make an army of obamanoids to enforce martial law when civil war breaks out. Notice all the restrictions being placed on buying guns & ammo?

I'm glad I've stocked up. I'd be glad to unload my AK47 if some obamanoid wanted to throw down. :)

[clinton]

this what i was saying in the original thread..th whole thing was a farce
everyone was so high on obama at the time that all news/truth was ignored

[Raz]

The day you start believing these cunts you will always be disapointed....

[clinton]

The day you start believing these cunts you will always be disapointed....





exactly raz, we get excited but in most cases things like this or either misunderstood,reversed or non existent....

[Seedy]

...i hope the media falls out of love with this stupid cockfuck soon

Won't be long now Shelly, then I think things are going to get pretty ugly. :cool:

[digby]

If you people are at least old enough to vote, then you certainly haven't learned so very much in your time on the planet. After the last 8 years of rewarding only the rich, corporate greed, gestapo spying tactics, torture and media control from the highest levels, Jack The Ripper would have been an improvement as elected president.

People carry their life story and belief system on every wrinkle and line on their face and every glint in their eye. Apparently you aren't too good at reading people this way either if you equate Obama in the same lite as a Dick Chaney or the incompetence of a George Bush. Of course people work the system to get elected - there isn't any other way in this country. If they're not lying, they are telling selected truths, which is the very nature of politics. I can't say I don't wish it wasn't so, but if wishes were wings then even pigs would fly. Both political parties suck. Get used to it. The democrats were the only option left, and if they blow it as bad as the republicans did, then hopefully people will have finally learned enough and dump this foolish political scam masquerading as representation of the people in a limited two party system.

Til then, Obama is the best shot this country has had in over 30 years but he's only 1 man against one of the richest, most powerful and most self serving trusts ever to rule the planet. Personally, I wish him well.

[clinton]

i dont think obama is against any of "it"

he was nominated because he is a part of "it"
sad but true

[duck]

but he's only 1 man against one of the richest, most powerful and most self serving trusts ever to rule the planet. Personally, I wish him well.

1. No one here is wishing Obama poorly. Of course we hope he does good things and acts benevolently.

2. If you think he is in opposition to the "richest, most powerful and most serving trusts to ever rule the planet" you were sold just like the rest of the liberal yuppies that voted for this punk. He, unfortunately, is no populist savior of the people. He is a gimmick in every sense of the word.

[digby]

Well, as I recall, the final ballot only had 2 choices on it, and McCain certainly wasn't going to be the one to change the status quo. So people decided that Obama was the best chance we had. If he turns out to be "business as usual", then quite frankly we are all screwed.

I still believe the real problem lies in congress and encompasses both parties. No president can ignore them, and they have proven to be the biggest abscess on the back of true change. Yet people keep re-electing them over and over again. People figure they are all losers except their guy, so they put him/her back in. Obama isn't the problem - he isn't even the issue. He is simply the latest figurehead of a very corrupt system.

I don't often post on politics, because it is always so fruitless. I have never seen anyone change their views strictly due to someone else's ideas. We think the way we do because it makes sense to us. The best we all can do is gather as much responsible information as we can from both sides, read between the lines, sort out the propaganda and then do what we think and feel is best. I won't fault anyone who does that regardless what their final views are. If more people would only do that, I think things would eventually sort themselves out.

[devilsdrug]

negativity wont work either

[SHELLEY]

1. No one here is wishing Obama poorly. Of course we hope he does good things and acts benevolently.

2. If you think he is in opposition to the "richest, most powerful and most serving trusts to ever rule the planet" you were sold just like the rest of the liberal yuppies that voted for this punk. He, unfortunately, is no populist savior of the people. He is a gimmick in every sense of the word.

1. ummmmm...... no one, huh? :D

2. preach it brother

[Deadfiend]

Duck:..Rather be dead then Red!



2. If you think he is in opposition to the "richest, most powerful and most serving trusts to ever rule the planet" you were sold just like the rest of the liberal yuppies that voted for this punk. He, unfortunately, is no populist savior of the people. He is a gimmick in every sense of the word.

And oh ya, hes by far not a punk, or a black skin, unless its that odd ball gay kind and I don't think thats the case, I know a lot of punks that would be upset by you putting him into there group......:rolleyes:
Unless you mean punk by like getting fucked in the ass prison punk that is......:D

[Natas666]

This civilian army thing is really really scary.


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388


Well heres the bill, a deep read full of typical Washington wordplay as usual, but far more reliable than conspiracist loons roaming the web.I am neither for nor against Obama as of yet, just cautious.

Heres the summary of its passing as well:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1388

[jacky]

I think that its possible raids will still go on, because people are breaking other laws associated with the trade/transport/supply.....

this whole situation of states forcing a medical issue, creating drug products that treat people entirely outside of the FDA's control, and letting prescription holders help produce the supply, and profit from it, is going to be a very complex and unstable process I think.

I know a kid who never visits his mom, doesnt go to funerals of family members, because he is always paranoid that his "medicinal" crops are going to get stolen by the same force that he had to worry about before medical cannabis was even allowed and he was was growing illegally as far as the state was concerned.
he is still doing the same game, just under different scenario...he diverts weed to make a living.
I dont care that he is into what he is into...but he acts with the family like all he is doing is legitimate, when in reality, they are mostly ignorant even that federally, what he is doing is considered a crime, despite the states considerations.

I am all for medical cannabis....but I dont see how we are going to bridge the gap if the practise of state legalization of medical cannabis, is overshadowed some day, by the federal legalization. if the feds legalize it, the FDA and the pharm companies will swoop in, and take over the program for the most part.
maybe some people will be grandfathered in, by being allowed to grow their own.

imagine if somehow this effected people to fight for the right to grow and produce their own opium supply.
the pharm companies would have a shit fit.

this stuff is going to take time, the process might proceed alot different than the average cannabis club worker and production and supply growers will want.

I think it might be a better thing, if the states keep growing in number that have cannabis for medical use, than if the feds get involved too soon and legalize for everyone.
if that happens the FDA will have jurisdiction, and not state health agencys alone, to control the products brought to market.
if the states keep going like they are, perhaps an entirely new precedent of governmental change by the people will take hold.

at some point, a standardization attempt is going to be made. a product like sativex, or the preperation itself will be pushed by the FDA, rather than letting a cottage industry of home bake wholistic cannabis products, and buds for smoking purposes, they will probably try and force nebulizers, and pills, possibly even a patch for all we know, rather than letting buds be produced which is by far the most coveted form of cannabis to be diverted for illicit enjoyment.

use for religion might be a solid angle of defense of cannabis production and use as a sacrament for a certian percentage of people...though that will be probably a minority.

medical cannabis, if allowed by the feds, could be looked at more stringently, and it might not be prescribed for all the claims that the states allow at the present time.
rather than being a schedule 3-4 type of equivalent...it could easily go into the 2 scheduling, as THC pretty much is today.

alot of brave people have fought long and hard to get where they are at, with the state level of cannabis legalization,
I was hoping Obama's statements, and the the other politicians recently would hold up... but you never know.
we will not know the full story of the most recent cases...
perhaps people traded some oxycontin or similiar prescriptions at this cannabis club? who knows, maybe there is a case of conspiracy.

there are medical cannabis growers, that have other activities going on, and its benefitting alot of people in states that cant get medical cannabis, with a decent supply, rivalling that of the BC cannabis push, of quality buds. everyone knows this...they just avoid talking much about it. its a muddled and confused issue, and probably will be until organizations and companies are involved with the industry, and taxes and laws are imposed more and more.

the purported bill to legalize recreational use of cannabis is a good idea.
if they can keep backing up the medical cannabis push, with a recreational allowance...they might just create so much momentum that the feds are fucked and just have to do damage control and allow for medical cannabis, while trying to avoid next, the recreational movement.
the companies might get to profit from cannabis just like they do with the opiates,.. or....we will see patented cannabanoids, some synthetic and unrelated to cannabis compounds structurally quickly legalized, in an attempt by the pharmaceutical companies to cut off the profit losses that they will experience having to market unpatended organic compounds like THC and cannabis flowers, which they might be forced to do anyway. a flood of cannabanoid preperations could be waiting for us in the future.

I am hoping that we see a change, but I think that it needs to be broader than just medical cannabis. we need recreational cannabis, industrial cannabis production, food products besides from just the seed, which actually was an early victory of cannabis use in the USA, and religious and philosophical legalized use.

Obama is probably going to just use bandaid tactics to address the issue.
there are no statements that a federal acceptance is on the horizon that I know of,
nothing but a policy change against organizations that they will not get raided, that is going to be confusing to watch, if we dont have the full story of each raid, why it was made, and if people are actually breaking even the laws that the states have set up.
I have a feeling that they will transfer the power, without letting the common man influence or negate the power structures inevitable control of the commoditys that make the most money.

[scikid]

It has been three months, it doesn't even say the Obama admin ordered the raid. Currently, the DEA can act without notifying the executive branch. Thanks Bush for that one.

As for Ron Paul, he endorsed Chuck Fucking Baldwin. Look that guy up if you do not know who he is. Ron Paul is a major christian conservative goldwater republican, I never understood the appeal of him.

McCain could barley run a campaign, I'd hate to see him run a nation.

The "Civilian Army" charge is idiotic.. no offense. He is trying to organize a national volunteer corp, we already have some of these in place. Is the Peace Corp some secret government army too?

I'm so sick of these goofy paranoid conspiracy theory charges, what ever happened to actual political discourse?

[duck]

what ever happened to actual political discourse?

BORING.

[feelings of u4ia]

I will be the first one to admit, unfortunately, and sadly I guess, that I know not the first thing about politics or politicians. I don't even know a thing about our president, or any of the other candidates that ran. I didn't even understand what happened when Hillary Clinton just like, stopped running. Did she just drop out because she didn't have a chance?

See, I don't know shit, haha. The only thing I do know, is that from everything I have started to read, and learn about, is that Obama is on the road to seriously fucking things up, instead of helping to fix things like he promised.

Don't flame me, because like I said....I really don't know enough to start judging, but I am just starting to get scared about the future of this country. I have seriously contemplated moving.

Every time I tell someone that, they think I am insane, and that the US is the best place to live, and will always be. I wish I knew enough to make an informed decision, and knew enough to debate things, but honestly it bores me. I know that sounds sad that I could care less to learn about my country and what is going on, but it just seems like another headache that I don't need.

I have never even voted in my life.

So basically, is this thread about another broken promise by Obama? Sorry about the rant in the beginning, I just felt that I needed to address that I know nothing about any of this, so I didn't get flamed for posting an opinion or statement. I really should start learning something I guess....

I don't even watch the news ever because it disgusts me. Every other story is about someone getting killed, shot, or raped...and how they are only doing 3 years and someone distrubuting Oxycodone is getting 20.

[SHELLEY]

i've got a great name for the civilian army: THE OBAMA YOUTH

[Paregoric Kid]

I switched to republican just to vote for Ron Paul in the republican primary. Then I switched back to libertarian and ended up voting for Bob Barr in the general election. what state were you in that only had 2 choices on the ballot for president? oklahoma? anyways, Ron Paul made some mistakes near the end of his campaign, but he sure helped the liberty movement a lot. I would love to see him run again in 2012 either as a republican or a libertarian.

[scikid]

But again, we do not know if the Obama admin even knew this raid was occurring or if the signed off on it.

The real test will be if any of the legalization bills actually pass. Or if any state adopts new state wide MM laws. There are plenty of bills that will be up for voting soon. Including one in my state of Illinois.

The US has plenty of problems and is not perfect. So does Europe (I've lived over there too). I just don't understand why you would consider leaving now if you survived the last 8 years of the Cheney er Bush administration.

Again, lets wait until we know the whole story, he has only been in control for 3 months. There are some decent posts on this thread, but the rest is just goofy conspiracy theory charges and Shelly comparing Obama and his supporters to Hitler and Hitler Youth.

As for the media covering him, it won't stop. He is the President of the United States, he is also the first African American president and it a fairly charismatic character. The majority of people are interested in what he is doing. Better get used to it I guess.

[SHELLEY]

ah, i am certainly not a conspiracy theorist
i was just having fun and i've had that pic for a while
and found a perfect excuse to post it
saying that obama=hitler is just as fucking stupid as saying that bush=hitler
i just hate that sumbitch sooooo much

[scikid]

ah, i am certainly not a conspiracy theorist
i was just having fun and i've had that pic for a while


Well if you believe that a bill that is creating a volunteer corp (like the PeaceCorp, AmeriCorp etc) is actually creating a "civilian army" you may be.

Also joking about Nazis is not very funny.

[EleusisII]

Heh, speaking off... We got a television commercial here, an insurance company, with an old guy that says:

"Times have changed. There's even a black president in the USA now! But insurance is stil blah blah.."

I'm pretty sure that marijuana deregulation is pretty far down on his list of things to do. I think he'll be an allright president, probably won't do anything drastic in either direction. But will probably disappoint a a lot of people either way, since they treated him like the second coming of christ.

Feelingsofu4ia: What is it in particular that makes you want to move?

[SHELLEY]

Also joking about Nazis is not very funny.

i really hate when someone says "joking about _____ is not funny"
anything can be funny: rape, nazis, child murder, racism, anyfuckingthing
there are no limits to what you can joke about, not according to the first amendment
be free! be offensive! be politically incorrect!
remember (speaking of nazis) that in his time and place, hitler was politically correct ;)

[Paregoric Kid]

of course the Obama administration knew about it, it is Obama's people running the justice department, its his attorneys prosecuting people for the DEA. Obama and Holder lied, big surprise. stop trying to be an apologist for these monsters.

[nick]

of course the Obama administration knew about it, it is Obama's people running the justice department, its his attorneys prosecuting people for the DEA. Obama and Holder lied, big surprise. stop trying to be an apologist for these monsters.

Umm maybe,but I can tell you that there are still Bush appointed delegates pursuing Bush era policy at the U.N.

[scikid]

I've noticed this is the new #1 defense the Obama drones retort with when someone speaks against their dear messiah.

The funny thing is a lot of people are surprised about how many campaign promises hes managed to break not to mention the damage he caused in just 3 months.


Like what, give examples of promises he has broken. If so many people are surprised at how many he has broken you can probably name a few.

BTW, I am nowhere near an Obama "drone". I've also never met a single person that looks at Obama as a messiah.

Anyways I don't want to get too involved in this thread, I am not trying to argue politics on a harm reduction board.

[scikid]

of course the Obama administration knew about it, it is Obama's people running the justice department, its his attorneys prosecuting people for the DEA. Obama and Holder lied, big surprise. stop trying to be an apologist for these monsters.

And you know this how? Before I posted, I looked for articles talking about the Obama admin's role in this and wasn't able to see a single article that stated ... I didn't want to be wrong and look dumb, plus it was nice to inform myself about the issue. I try to remain as informed as possible so I can form my own opinion.'

If you have any links please share them.

i really hate when someone says "joking about _____ is not funny"
anything can be funny: rape, nazis, child murder, racism, anyfuckingthing
there are no limits to what you can joke about, not according to the first amendment
be free! be offensive! be politically incorrect!



Ehh, I just think its not something to joke about. To do makes one look ignorant. Child murder, rape, nazis and racism are examples of some very serious things. Making fun of these things have noting to do with being P.C. or not, it just has to do with have respect for people. Of course, you are allowed to say whatever you want. That's one of the things that makes this country what it is.

[Paregoric Kid]

the attorney general and President Obama vowed to end the raids, they LIED. the links you want are already in the thread, go back and read the articles linked in the original post ( http://www.reason.com/news/show/132436.html http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/BA5B16N9LR.DTL ). either that or you just don't understand the structure of the federal governments justice department and federal law enforcement. this is Obama's administration, its his people in charge over at the justice department, it is his administration that is to blame. they are a bunch of liars and bullshitters just like the Bush administration.

[nick]

the attorney general and President Obama vowed to end the raids, they LIED. the links you want are already in the thread, go back and read the articles linked in the original post. either that or you just don't understand the structure of the federal governments justice department and federal law enforcement.

I only saw a piece by jacob Sollum and Rachele Gordon and they're full of ifs and buts.Hardly a smoking gun.

I would be interested in a link to something more definitive.

To be honest,I have no faith in Obama changing policy on MM,but this is not proof of anything.

[SHELLEY]

Ehh, I just think its not something to joke about. To do makes one look ignorant. Child murder, rape, nazis and racism are examples of some very serious things. Making fun of these things have noting to do with being P.C. or not, it just has to do with have respect for people. Of course, you are allowed to say whatever you want. That's one of the things that makes this country what it is.

dammmmn straight :D

[Paregoric Kid]

while there may be a few insignificant positions that are still hold overs from the Bush administration over at the UN, Holder is the one heading the justice department, he is Obama's pick it isn't Gonzalez running the show anymore over there. like I said a while back, anyone who thinks Obama is going to change anything for the better should prepare for four years of disappointment.

[drew1503]

This was interesting:

MARIJUANA is DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.
The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.
* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.
* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/hemp-washington.jpg
* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.
* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.
* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.
* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.
* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.
* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.
* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.
* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.
* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture
* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.
* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.
* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.
* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.
The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:
'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...
...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...
...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'
Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.
Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/hemp.gifhemp produces 4 times as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times less pollution. From Popular Mechanics, Feb. 1938:
'It has a short growing season...It can be grown in any state...The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12 feet above the ground, chokes out weeds.
...hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.'
In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.
William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.
In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

THE CONSPIRACY
Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.
Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.

MEDIA MANIPULATION
A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.
Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.
Examine the following quotes from 'The Burning Question' aka REEFER MADNESS:


a violent narcotic.
acts of shocking violence.
incurable insanity.
soul-destroying effects.
under the influence of the drug he killed his entire family with an ax.
more vicious, more deadly even than these soul-destroying drugs (heroin, cocaine) is the menace of marihuana!

Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.
In the 1930s, people were very naive; even to the point of ignorance. The masses were like sheep waiting to be led by the few in power. They did not challenge authority. If the news was in print or on the radio, they believed it had to be true. They told their children and their children grew up to be the parents of the baby-boomers.
On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees. The Chairman of the Ways and Means, Robert Doughton, was a Dupont supporter. He insured that the bill would pass Congress.
Dr. James Woodward, a physician and attorney, testified too late on behalf of the American Medical Association. He told the committee that the reason the AMA had not denounced the Marihuana Tax Law sooner was that the Association had just discovered that marihuana was hemp.
Few people, at the time, realized that the deadly menace they had been reading about on Hearst's front pages was in fact passive hemp. The AMA understood cannabis to be a MEDICINE found in numerous healing products sold over the last hundred years.
In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.
Congress banned hemp because it was said to be the most violence-causing drug known. Anslinger, head of the Drug Commission for 31 years, promoted the idea that marihuana made users act extremely violent. In the 1950s, under the Communist threat of McCarthyism, Anslinger now said the exact opposite. Marijuana will pacify you so much that soldiers would not want to fight.
Today, our planet is in desperate trouble. Earth is suffocating as large tracts of rain forests disappear. Pollution, poisons and chemicals are killing people. These great problems could be reversed if we industrialized hemp. Natural biomass could provide all of the planet's energy needs that are currently supplied by fossil fuels. We have consumed 80% of our oil and gas reserves. We need a renewable resource. Hemp could be the solution to soaring gas prices.

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THE WONDER PLANT
Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.
ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL. Hempen plastics are biodegradable! Over time, they would break down and not harm the environment. Oil-based plastics, the ones we are very familiar with, help ruin nature; they do not break down and will do great harm in the future. The process to produce the vast array of natural (hempen) plastics will not ruin the rivers as Dupont and other petrochemical companies have done. Ecology does not fit in with the plans of the Oil Industry and the political machine. Hemp products are safe and natural.
MEDICINES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. We should go back to the days when the AMA supported cannabis cures. 'Medical Marijuana' is given out legally to only a handful of people while the rest of us are forced into a system that relies on chemicals. Pot is only healthy for the human body.
WORLD HUNGER COULD END. A large variety of food products can be generated from hemp. The seeds contain one of the highest sources of protein in nature. ALSO: They have two essential fatty acids that clean your body of cholesterol. These essential fatty acids are not found anywhere else in nature! Consuming pot seeds is the best thing you could do for your body. Eat uncooked hemp seeds.
CLOTHES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. Hemp clothing is extremely strong and durable over time. You could hand clothing, made from pot, down to your grandchildren. Today, there are American companies that make hemp clothing; usually 50% hemp. Hemp fabrics should be everywhere. Instead, they are almost underground. Superior hemp products are not allowed to advertise on fascist television. Kentucky, once the top hemp producing state, made it ILLEGAL TO WEAR hemp clothing! Can you imagine being thrown into jail for wearing quality jeans?
The world is crazy...but that does not mean you have to join the insanity. Get together. Spread the news. Tell people, and that includes your children, the truth. Use hemp products. Eliminate the word 'marijuana.' Realize the history that created it. Make it politically incorrect to say or print the M-word. Fight against the propaganda (designed to favor the agenda of the super rich) and the bullshit. Hemp must be utilized in the future. We need a clean energy source to save our planet. INDUSTRIALIZE HEMP!
The liquor, tobacco and oil companies fund more than a million dollars a day to Partnership for a Drug-Free America and other similar agencies. We have all seen their commercials. Now, their motto is: ‘It's more dangerous than we thought.’ Lies from the powerful corporations, that began with Hearst, are still alive and well today.
The brainwashing continues. Now, the commercials say: If you buy a joint, you contribute to murders and gang wars. The latest anti-pot commercials say: If you buy a joint...you are promoting TERRORISM! The new enemy (terrorism) has paved the road to brainwash you any way THEY see fit.
There is only one enemy; the friendly people you pay your taxes to; the war-makers and nature destroyers. With your funding, they are killing the world right in front of your eyes. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY TOBACCO. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY ALCOHOL. NO ONE HAS EVER, EVER DIED FROM SMOKING POT!! In the entire history of the human race, not one death can be attributed to cannabis. Our society has outlawed grass but condones the use of the KILLERS: TOBACCO and ALCOHOL. Hemp should be declassified and placed in DRUG stores to relieve stress. Hardening and constriction of the arteries are bad; but hemp usage actually enlarges the arteries...which is a healthy condition. We have been so conditioned to think that: Smoking is harmful. That is NOT the case for passive pot.
Ingesting THC, hemp's active agent, has a positive effect; relieving asthma and glaucoma. A joint tends to alleviate the nausea caused by chemotherapy. You are able to eat on hemp. This is a healthy state of being.
{One personal note: During the pregnancy of my wife, she was having some difficulty gaining weight. We were in the hospital. A nurse called us to one side and said: ‘Off the record, if you smoke pot...you'd get something called the munchies and you’ll gain weight.' I swear that is a true story}.
The stereotype for a pothead is similar to a drunk, bubble-brain. Yet, the truth is one’s creative abilities can be enhanced under its influence. The perception of time slightly slows and one can become more sensitive. You can more appreciate all arts; be closer to nature and generally FEEL more under the influence of cannabis. It is, in fact, the exact opposite state of mind and body as the drunken state. You can be more aware with pot.
The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Hemp is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for cannabis. To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuallity. Growers know to kill the males before they fertilize the females. Yes, folks...the most potent pot comes from 'horny females.'
The reason this amazing, very sophisticated, ET plant from the future is illegal has nothing to do with how it physically affects us…..
…POT IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!
ps: I think the word ‘DRUGS’ should not be used as an umbrella-word that covers all chemical agents. Drugs have come to be known as something BAD. Are you aware there are LEGAL drugstores?! Yep, in every city. Unbelievable. Each so-called drug should be considered individually. Cannabis is a medicine and not a drug. We should DARE to speak the TRUTH no matter what the law is.


I know some is probably exaggerated but lets try and disprove not guess or what we have heard.

[nick]

while there may be a few insignificant positions that are still hold overs from the Bush administration over at the UN, Holder is the one heading the justice department, he is Obama's pick it isn't Gonzalez running the show anymore over there. like I said a while back, anyone who thinks Obama is going to change anything for the better should prepare for four years of disappointment.

Insignificant positions!! That's funny.

[pinn3d]

As Promised, He Called Off the Medical Marijuana Raids—For a Week

Jacob Sullum (http://www.reason.com/staff/hitandrun/128.html) | March 26, 2009, 1:12pm
Well, this (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/BA5B16N9LR.DTL) didn't take long:Federal agents raided a medical marijuana dispensary in San Francisco Wednesday, a week after U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder signaled that the Obama administration would not prosecute distributors of pot used for medicinal purposes that operate under sanction of state law.
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents raided Emmalyn's California Cannabis Clinic at 1597 Howard St. in San Francisco's South of Market district mid-afternoon....
The dispensary had been operating with a temporary permit issued by the Department of Public Health.
"Based on our investigation, we believe there are not only violations of federal law, but state law as well," DEA Special Agent in Charge Anthony Williams said in a prepared statement....
A source in San Francisco city government who was informed about the raid said the DEA's action appeared to be prompted by alleged financial improprieties related to the payment of sales taxes.
If those alleged sales tax problems turn out to be the official rationale for the raid, the Obama administration's alleged change in policy may not amount to much. When Holder said the feds would not go after medical marijuana dispensaries that comply with state law, I assumed he meant state law governing the distribution of marijuana for medical use. If he instead meant any state law, the DEA has a pretext to raid any dispensary that allegedly has fallen short of a state (or local?) legal requirement, no matter how trivial, even if state law enforcement agencies have shown no interest in the issue.
I discussed the possible impact of Holder's announcement in this week's column (http://www.reason.com/news/show/132436.html).
Yeah... that seemed too good to be true...... I remember someone posted a you-tube link to see the speech Holder made about stopping the raids, and it was in no way a definitive answer......