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caesee
05-24-2006, 05:39 PM
Woodys was used by many ROP's and was in buinsess for many years...If Woodys got busted makes me wonder if the ROP service is going to be gone within the next year..:mad:


Pharmacies suspected as Internet pill mills

2 drugstores raided in investigation of illegal prescriptions

KAREN GARLOCH

kgarloch@charlotteobserver.com (kgarloch@charlotteobserver.com)



WCNC video | Report on the raid (http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=67101&catId=69)Agents with the State Bureau of Investigation and Drug Enforcement Administration on Tuesday raided two area pharmacies suspected of dispensing drugs based on illegal prescriptions obtained over the Internet.
Woody Pharmacy in Mooresville and Woody Pharmacy-Waterside in Denver were closed by the N.C. Board of Pharmacy, and licenses of four pharmacists were suspended.
The two drugstores are believed to have been operating as "Internet pill mills" that dispense drugs from online prescriptions written by doctors who have not seen the patients, said Jay Campbell, pharmacy board executive director.
Internet-based pharmacies are not illegal, he said, but it is illegal in North Carolina to dispense medicine based on prescriptions written by doctors who haven't seen the patients or had relationships with the patients.
Internet pill mills "tend to hire physicians who just sit in a room and write `scripts' by the hundreds and thousands," Campbell said. "Those get farmed out to pharmacies.... They never talk to a human being."
The patients who use these Web sites, Campbell said, "get access to very dangerous and addictive narcotic drugs with no medical oversight."
Internet pill mills are a huge problem nationwide, he said.
In September, federal drug enforcement agents arrested at least 18 people and halted prescription writing by dozens of doctors and a pharmacist in Texas and Florida after a yearlong multi-agency investigation dubbed "Operation CYBERx." The DEA suspended the registrations of 20 doctors and 22 Internet pharmacies in the United States and Puerto Rico. Agents also closed at least 4,600 Web sites controlled by the suspects.
Carmen Catizone of the National Association of Boards of Pharmacy said the amount of money involved nationally is hard to estimate. "There's probably 2,000 (Web) pages that are intertwined and hooked to hundreds of distribution sites.... The minute a state board goes after them, they'll close down that page and open up another."
The Web pages are operated by felons and the Mafia, by "an unsavory bunch of people," Catizone said. Many prescriptions are not written or reviewed by doctors.
Steve Hudson, director of investigations for the N.C. pharmacy board, said he first received complaints in 2002 that Woody Pharmacy in Mooresville was filling prescriptions written by doctors who had not examined the patients.
In March 2004, owner Alvin Woody signed a consent order with the pharmacy board agreeing not to dispense prescriptions written by physicians who did not do physical exams or who did not have existing relationships with the patients receiving the prescriptions.
The Mooresville pharmacy has been licensed since 1992, and the Denver store since 2004.
"I don't think we have as large a problem with this in North Carolina as some other states do," Campbell said. "We are trying to act quickly ... Based on what we've seen in the busts we've done, this has got to be a multi-multi-billion-dollar enterprise nationwide."
Earlier this year, the N.C. pharmacy board suspended permits for United Care in Wilmington and Kwic Fill in Fayetteville and suspended the licenses of their pharmacists. The drugstores, which remain closed, were also alleged to have been dispensing prescriptions illegally through the Internet.
Those whose licenses were suspended Tuesday are Woody, William Edmondson, Kristin Pecoraro, and Rebecca Sue Turlington. If Woody Pharmacy and its pharmacists ask to have their permits and licenses reinstated, Campbell said the board could hear their cases June 27 in Chapel Hill.
At the Mooresville pharmacy in the Watermark shopping center at Interstate 77 Exit 33, a law enforcement agent refused to answer questions from an Observer reporter Tuesday. Attempts to reach Woody were unsuccessful.
A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office declined to comment on Tuesday's search. She said search warrants issued by federal judges in the Western District of North Carolina are sealed until federal agents return to the court with their findings.
Woody, 57, and his wife, Mona Woody, a registered nurse, host a weekly radio show on WACB-AM (860) in Taylorsville called "The Healthy Choice," focusing on natural health and wellness. He formerly owned pharmacies in Taylorsville, Statesville and Troutman.
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BOARDS OF PHARMACY
Web site lists 12 Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites (VIPPS) www.nabp.net (http://www.nabp.net/). (847) 391-4400.

How Internet Pill Mills Work
Drug seekers log on to a pharmacy Web site and fill out questionnaires.
Without a personal visit, they are deemed to need medicine, most frequently for pain, impotence, anxiety or weight loss.
Prescriptions, sometimes written or reviewed by doctors but sometimes not, are printed by the hundreds every day.
Prescriptions are transmitted electronically to pharmacies.
Pharmacies fill the prescriptions and ship them to patients across the country.
SOURCE: Jay Campbell, N.C. Board of Pharmacy

ZodiacKiller
05-24-2006, 05:49 PM
Wow, it never says exactly what drugs they were distributing, except to say that 'dangerous narcotics' are being distributed. I found it a bit odd that they believe the Mafia would be involved.

I've never ordered a pill on the internet, but maybe I should start, sounds like they may be gone soon. But I would only want C-II drugs, and I would imagine those are the most difficult to get. And expensive, not to mention the possibility of getting ripped off. However, if someone knows a really reliable source, feel free to PM me. :)

ZK

caesee
05-24-2006, 05:51 PM
Wow, it never says exactly what drugs they were distributing, except to say that 'dangerous narcotics' are being distributed. I found it a bit odd that they believe the Mafia would be involved.

I've never ordered a pill on the internet, but maybe I should start, sounds like they may be gone soon. But I would only want C-II drugs, and I would imagine those are the most difficult to get. And expensive, not to mention the possibility of getting ripped off. However, if someone knows a really reliable source, feel free to PM me. :)

ZK

Most of the ROP used them for norco, lorcet, lortab, ect...

ZodiacKiller
05-24-2006, 05:58 PM
Most of the ROP used them for norco, lorcet, lortab, ect...

Yeah, I wish any of that shit still worked for me, man :mad:

But anything hydro is C-III, right? Just clarifying...

ZK

caesee
05-24-2006, 05:59 PM
Yeah, I wish any of that shit still worked for me, man :mad:

But anything hydro is C-III, right? Just clarifying...

ZK

yes no C11's...

oc80tn
05-24-2006, 06:24 PM
Hydrocodone is one of those weird exceptions to the Controlled Substances Act. Hydrocodone alone (without a non-scheduled additive like Tylenol or a cough suppressant) is actually a schedule II narcotic. It is also a schedule II if a dose of the drug exceeds 15 milligrams. But the only way to do that is to have a doctor order a special prescription where a compounding shop prepares the medication. When it is less than 15 mgs and prepared with another drug, it falls into the C-III category. To my knowledge, there are no pharmaceutical manufacturers that make hydrocodone pills or syrups stronger than 10 milligrams per unit. To get anything stronger than that, you have to have to go to a compounding pharmacy and have them make it for you.
Hydrocodone gets this pass from a lot of people who think just because it's a schedule III narcotic it's somehow a lot less potent that Oxycodone. In my experience, if you just wanna get high, hydrocodone works just as well, if not better, than oxy. If, on the other hand, you are truly wanting something for pain control, oxycodone is the better choice. When you look at those drug potency charts, they are not comparing euphoria, it's a comparison of the drug's analgesic equivalency.
I hope that answers your question.

exitwound
05-24-2006, 08:31 PM
damn, that's very rough for thousands of people who got their supplemental (and in some cases, ONLY!) pain medication through ROPs that used Woody's. it had become fairly prolific, and no doubt that was its downfall.

Eventually most if not all of the current ROP pharmacies will be raided. It's more than a little spooky that I am in the records of more than one of them. But I refuse to feel guilty about taking advantage of an ethical and even ostensibly legal service that doesn't give these medications out to just anyone, you need to have a legitimate chronic pain condition and you need proof of it. You actually speak to a doctor on the phone and it's not all that different from an office visit, they just know that you're there because your regular local doctor can't or won't give you what you need.

Yes, some addicts inevitably get into the system but it's probably about the same percentage of abuse as anything else, that's not a legitimate reason to attack these places. The real problem is the prohibition system that creates these back-room "vents" for the legit demand for pain medication and causes tens or hundreds of thousands of pain sufferers to pay out the nose for basic, often barely useful medication because it's all these back-room organizations are allowed under their thin legal shield, to provide.

Cornburglar
05-24-2006, 10:29 PM
basically, the government says FUCK YOU to people who suffer from chronic pain by terrorizing doctors and by this bullshit.

gawwwd. I HATE THE FUCKING DRUG WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

Curio
05-25-2006, 01:03 AM
I saw this coming less than six months ago when I heard they were opening this "second" woody's and then heard the 2nd woody's was filling prescriptions for an NROP....

ie. NO RECORDS....Online Pharmacy. However, Avee had something similar awhile back and I think they're still up and running...just the govt guys throwing their genitalia around.

they had awesome compounds there though....never felt like the pharmacist "lightened" the dosage of the opiate...the pill counts were double counted and sealed by their staff...quick turn around...

F*********

SWIM just had to pay for another friggin consult recently cause OF overseas bupe being f-ing confiscated by the dea/homeland A-holes....now this....why doesn't SWIM just blow SWIM's head off now so their family doesn't have to see someone lose their mind from pain, and from a non-gradual tapering off opiates aka massive depression and withdrawals?:mad:
as well as losing hundreds if not thousands of dollars SWIM spent for meds SWIM will never see.

caesee
05-25-2006, 01:43 AM
They got busted because in North Caronila in is ILLEGAL to dispense medicine based on prescriptions written by doctors who wanvnt had a face to face with the patient. So since they knew it was a internet pharamcy electornicy transmitted rx's, then they knew the doctor didnt see them, so boom here comes the trafficing controlled substances, or whatever i am sure the fenlony charge, along with losing your assests, buissness and your possesions, and whatever the last pennies u gotts left for lawyer fees....Some states have face a face to face law, others dont...for example Florida you dont have to do a face to face, so if you notice alot of Pharmices for ROPS, and the Buisnesses are there, for example Medipharm..

Curio
05-25-2006, 01:52 AM
wow, I hadn't heard about NC....the only one I'd ever heard that had a face to face law is New York State....apparently some folks who bought meds online were arrested when they went to pick up their pkg at the local UPS and/or fedex hub....

no one at drugbuyers forum was certain about any state having those laws until that occurred.

caesee
05-25-2006, 02:03 AM
wow, I hadn't heard about NC....the only one I'd ever heard that had a face to face law is New York State....apparently some folks who bought meds online were arrested when they went to pick up their pkg at the local UPS and/or fedex hub....

no one at drugbuyers forum was certain about any state having those laws until that occurred.

Its one of those things that the States are pressuring for the Government to make it illigal with no face to face...so sooner or later someone it will happen, look at the forum fron page at Salivia D....then boom no more ROP, or they will have to adjust mabey have the buisness, and doc in the same state and do NP visits or somehting or a physical...but then boom price increase

Scarlettnight
05-25-2006, 10:49 AM
Back in the mid 90's they busted a pharmacy in Shelby, NC ( where I used to live) The pharmacists were just kinda handing out anything that anyone wanted. I happened to be dating a guy who's dad was a pharmacist there and he happened to leave about a month before it was busted. The feds then set about shutting down 2 docs, For supposedly "overprescribing Oxy" Some dumb fucks went an OD and fucked it up for the rest of us. As it became almost impossible to get oxy after that cluster fuck.

exitwound
05-25-2006, 11:32 PM
I wouldn't, of course, wish that my chronic pain had started sooner....but I do wish, after a fashion, that it had co-incided more with the period when oxy was more obtainable. Now it's the very definition of unobtainium :(