So how we doin without reputation?

[bi11i]

Just curious as to how things are coming along without reputation and now with the flame forum?

I've not had time to setup the mods yet, but we'll get there soon enough....

[ZodiacKiller]

I miss it, I thought it was kinda fun. A little silly, maybe, but fun nonetheless. I think some folks maybe took it waaay too seriously, tho....

ZK

[Coddfish]

I agree with ZK; never thought I would miss it, but I do a bit. But I am ambidextrous about the whole points/flame forum thing: on the one hand people have been a little touchy about it. And if the rep is brought back, I could see the flame forum leading to abuse of the points. On the other hand, you guys had a good vision of letting the board police (sorry for that word) itself. Seriously, it's good of you to trust us junkies with power over your baby. We can be SOOOoo tempermental. In theory it should work. But as homer said, "in theory communism works." I still think people should be encouraged to use the 'neg' button more. Once everyone was negged 10 or 15 times it wouldn't seem like a big deal, even to the pansy asses. In any case, I say let's give it another shot. BTW, has anyone ever been actually nixed from the board for low points?

[shaunclo]

I miss it, I thought it was kinda fun. A little silly, maybe, but fun nonetheless. I think some folks maybe took it waaay too seriously, tho....

ZK

Im with Z_K, I think people were holding the points against certain people, which if that was the case, than Im glad they are gone. Nonetheless, it doesnt make Opiophile any less of a friend of mine. I love Opiophile w/ or w/out points. I guess what I am trying to say is that I LOVE OPIOPHILE!!! And I will scream it from the mountain tops.

Hows that for publicity Bi11i, how many Tee-shirts will I get if I do that....huh?

[bi11i]

BTW, has anyone ever been actually nixed from the board for low points?No, but we have booted lots of folks. Booted a guy about a year and half ago who still begs to be let back in. Seriously. We never let it get that far - Jacky and I talk about it and ask ourselves if having a person on is going to benefit the board in any way. If not, they're outta here. (this method of course could apply to lots of individuals, I'm sure, but we only apply it to problem causers.)

The ability to view your rep comments was an incentive for donating users. We could set it up so NO ONE could view who leaves the comments...?

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

WAAAHH!! I want the points back.Actually I love the website and am hooked on it soooo bad,but w/ the points I could kinda see if what I was writing was useful to other members (if my points went up) and then if I said something which totally was a worthless thread and my points went down,I'd try not to post that way again but either way i will be here till you drag me out kicking and screaming.oh and hey how do I get a t-shirt?I want a big one so I can use it in the summer for a shirt/nightie combo.Gotta be a comfortable junky.yeah i really do miss the points I was hoping this thead would come up thanx bi11i.

[HistoryofMadness]

Well, I also miss the points system, as long as it was fun. People did take it too seriously, but sometimes when someone's being way over the line its good for them to know it. I also think the flame forum is not the best thing for a board such as this, but I haven't even registered for it so how would I know?

Reminds me that my neighbor and I (in middle school, years ago) used to 'play fight' after school. Obviously we were just adolescent guys doing stupid shit, but either way, we thought it was fun. 'Til one day, for whatever reason, it went way overboard, and we literally beat the living hell out of each other. Our friendship was never the same.

I know that's a stupid parable, but I don't play fight anymore.

Fuck it, you're not my therapist.

-H

[aj11]

you guys should check out bil li 's website, it's fucking awesome. Dead bodies everywhere. Decapatation by a train!!!!!!!!! I agree with milkshake, I am hooked and miss the points, just read a thread from somebody looking for a hook-up. That is what points are for.Fuck that guy:D

[marblehead]

I miss the points/ rep part.Sometimes when I'm mad I would just give everyone negative feedback no matter what they said. HAHA just kidding, the system let me know if someone knew their shit or not and how long they been around, it waS NICE

[dissident]

I miss the points/ rep part.Sometimes when I'm mad I would just give everyone negative feedback no matter what they said. HAHA just kidding, the system let me know if someone knew their shit or not and how long they been around, it waS NICE



yeah it worked cept for certain people who were idiots and started acting like they where soooo smart just to see their points go up but weeee know who the retards are... anyway i miss it not that i contribute much, but i read eeeeverything

[red26]

One reason why I liked the point system was to know wether or not I was correct in what I believed as told by people giving or pos. or neg. points anonamously(spelling?) Not to sound like I'm suckin somebody off here but I did enjoy giving people pos. points when and where they deserved them. It was a cool thing to do and it made me feel good. I mean, lets face it, we're here to enjoy each others experieces and hopefully learn from others mistakes hopefully before we have to learn from our own, right? Points or no we still have these, and each others company who we enjoy having.

[devilsdrug]

i miss seeing a lot of pts over there , like others have said its way of seeing how others percieve u,

[bi11i]

well perhaps points would be better utilized if we turn off the ability to leave negatives? would that be better?

[HistoryofMadness]

well perhaps points would be better utilized if we turn off the ability to leave negatives? would that be better?

Maybe that's not a bad solution... follow the old rule "If you don't have anything nice to say etc etc" when giving points.

Sounds like a decent compromise.

[devilsdrug]

that be cool then if you dont like what someone says u just tellem, the only people i really have anything neg to say are the ones lookin and the ones not searchin other than that its mostly opinions and you either think its ok or really ok, like its been mentioned if some of us neg pt a newbie then hes history before he started that could be another option no negative pts till a person has over fifty post or s i o, thats why it up to u billi ur the boss, heh ive seen the kids and their on line games they are ruthless i woulnt want it to turn into that, but i also believe this place has to remain fun right along with being informative and the two dont neccessarily go hand in hand heh even jacky sort jumped a guy newbe yesterday

[zombiewoof23]

I personally had point envy.....lol Couldn't sleep at night knowing my popularity on this site was sub par. I'm sure my lack of experience in most of the subjects on here leading to my lack of input prlly played a role in my low point total. I personally think this site is addictive either way, with or without points. The moderator's ability to boot people as necassary is of utmost importance. This is still by far the best community I've ever come across on the net for many reasons: the family type atmosphere, relative information (that could save live's in many cases), debates are usually handled in a civil manner, awesome moderators, well researched medical information, ability to vote on issues such as this one, etc. etc. The points are kinda fun for ego purposes. The people that truly contribute to this site stand out and really don't need the points to be heard. They know who they are, and the community knows who they are. For vital information purposes on opiates, this site is way more informative than erowid IMO. I'm right at 50-50 on this issue. If people are having fun with the point system, then keep it. If everybody thinks it is more of a distraction and takes away from the goal of this site, get rid of it.

[Curio]

I felt things were fine as they had been set up...I mean people came in and started a ruckus and it became obvious very quickly that we were going to "police"ourselves and get rid of the negative element....so either follow along with the majority and don't cause a scene asking for drugs, or arguing just to hear your own head rattle:p, or arguing/posting simply to make yourself feel better and WE'LL ALL GET ALONG JUST FINE :D
I haven't visited the flame forum as it's truly not my thing...that last part of the poll reminds me of a song I used to sing to myself when I was drinking...

If I had a hammer, :cool: I'd get hammered every mornin'...
lol:D I'd get hammered every evenin'...

[shaunclo]

I haven't visited the flame forum as it's truly not my thing...that last part of the poll reminds me of a song I used to sing to myself when I was drinking...

If I had a hammer, :cool: I'd get hammered every mornin'...
lol:D I'd get hammered every evenin'...

Is anybody even using that forum?? Has anybody been posting in there, I havnt even checked it out yet, but just curious as to whos having fun in there.

[poppy]

Is anybody even using that forum?? Has anybody been posting in there, I havnt even checked it out yet, but just curious as to whos having fun in there

I've looked at it and nothing much seems to be happening there, but maybe its a good idea to keep it for when things get out of hand on the regular forums, if people get out of hand then they can be directed to the flame forum so those of us who aren't interested don't have to get involved.

Personally I think there's room for both the points system (which seemed to work well until recently, at least in the time I've been here) and the flame forum. I think Billi's idea of not being able to give negative points is probably a good idea, but who am I to say?

[bi11i]

I haven't visited the flame forum as it's truly not my thing...that last part of the poll reminds me of a song I used to sing to myself when I was drinking...and that's what i had stuck in my head when i posted the poll.

weird - way OT, sorry - every morning for the last 5 years I wake up with some unique song on my head. Often, it's just something I heard the night prior, but sometimes it's shit like Peter Paul & Mary. This morning it was 'Horse with No Name' (which sounds great on MDMA, btw...)

[Opiyum]

Points good.

Flame forum....well if you've seen it then you realize my opinion on that would be way way way way bias so I wont say anthing about it... Other than what I just said....which is that my opinion is of a bias nature.

I should add that CB and I have talked and hes one cool M-f-er. It's cute... I know.

Without control there can be no Chaos...without hate there can be no love.

What if we could only give neutral points? No positive and no negative. It works for the Swedes right? This was a joke....just incase.

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

well i had never checked out the flame forum to last night.It took me that long to get in as I still had my screne on reds red it wouldn't lemme,but anyways I really miss the point forum alot and I noticed there was alot of hatorade being drank in there, I mean Look we're all like family here.We got Candy as the mom.DD to keep us and all his granpups in line,and a bunch of the rest of us who have gotten close like brothers and sisters now ain't that special,but I noticed in the flame forum people were just not acting their usual selves,I mean I know some things were just said in jest and feelings were hurt and i'm sure many wish they wouldn't have flamed in the first place,but w/Bi11i and Jacky as the bosses I'm sure they'll get things right the way we all like em' again,so we all can get back to our happy junky addictive-personality family like atmosphere we HAD going on! Please!

[HistoryofMadness]

well i had never checked out the flame forum to last night.It took me that long to get in as I still had my screne on reds red it wouldn't lemme,but anyways I really miss the point forum alot and I noticed there was alot of hatorade being drank in there, I mean Look we're all like family here.We got Candy as the mom.DD to keep us and all his granpups in line,and a bunch of the rest of us who have gotten close like brothers and sisters now ain't that special,but I noticed in the flame forum people were just not acting their usual selves,I mean I know some things were just said in jest and feelings were hurt and i'm sure many wish they wouldn't have flamed in the first place,but w/Bi11i and Jacky as the bosses I'm sure they'll get things right the way we all like em' again,so we all can get back to our happy junky addictive-personality family like atmosphere we HAD going on! Please!

I agree that's why I never go...

We should have an anonymous vote just on whether we should keep the flame forum open or not... anybody else think so?

[devilsdrug]

maybe im easily perturbed but every day it gets worse or maybe its just a cycle so many how do i , where do i get., ectectect. its either aganst rules the law or in pages and pages of search and im not the only one wound on it. this is harsh but maybe noobies should be suspended from posting for a day or 2 when rule breaking or not searching posting out of thread , multiples of same ? that is what they do on the grankids when they are caught cheatin with their online games

[shaunclo]

I think Billi's idea of not being able to give negative points is probably a good idea, but who am I to say?

I think you have it a little confused, you will still be able to give nep points, you just wont be able to see who gave them to you. I think it would work great. Cause when someone receives neg. points, they get pissed at the person who gave it to them, and they usually retaliate with neg. points back, which shouldnt be the case.

[bi11i]

No, actually that's how it used to be. Simply not being able to give out negative points would be great, IMHO. This way reputation still means something, but the problems caused by negatives magically disappears...

[ZodiacKiller]

No, actually that's how it used to be. Simply not being able to give out negative points would be great, IMHO. This way reputation still means something, but the problems caused by negatives magically disappears...

It would definitely be a positive thing to the 'constant' members of the forum, the people who are here to stay; it would kinda let people know how well respected they are on the board. To newbs that come on, post a few idiotic questions and then are never heard from again, it won't mean a thing....

However, what to do about trolls, or how to avoid the UTFSE routine when redundant threads abound? I have said recently that if two members of the board have a beef w/ each other, they should take it to PM, not derail the thread. I guess mods (and I'm not pointing at you, bi11i) are gonna have to flex a little more muscle in newb-instruction, disagreement handling, etc...

I know it was posted recently that mods were needed, and I recall that I declined (when it was suggested that I'd be good, not asked by admin). However, I love the forum, and I ain't going anywhere, so if you need someone to help in any capacity, I will offer my services. Just puttin' it out there....

ZK

[shaunclo]

No, actually that's how it used to be. Simply not being able to give out negative points would be great, IMHO. This way reputation still means something, but the problems caused by negatives magically disappears...

O.k., I understand, so there will just be a "report a bad post" http://forum.opiophile.org/images/gnome/buttons/report.gif (http://70.103.16.74//forum/report.php?p=21981) symbol instead of taking away points....Hmmmmm that does sound like a good idea. Poeple dont handle getting points taken away very well, and I am speaking for myself also. You feel so ravashed, your liek, Ahh, what did I do?

I think that method would be phenominal, Im down

[HistoryofMadness]

maybe im easily perturbed but every day it gets worse or maybe its just a cycle so many how do i , where do i get., ectectect. its either aganst rules the law or in pages and pages of search and im not the only one wound on it. this is harsh but maybe noobies should be suspended from posting for a day or 2 when rule breaking or not searching posting out of thread , multiples of same ? that is what they do on the grankids when they are caught cheatin with their online games

I'm with you here... there seems to have been a fucking rash of people searching for connections and asking redundant questions.

The only solution I can come up with is, rather than just shitting down their throats (me included) maybe we should create a FAQ for each main topic. Maybe we could have a link at the top of the main page(s) that says "new members read here first" and when you click, it takes you to all the FAQ for new-b's... does this make sense?

Anyway, this would eliminate the need for neg. points for new-b's, the oldies can just learn to get along (go to PM's as ZK says), and neg. pts. be gone...

Thoughts?

-H

[reddragon3668]

I liked the reputation system as well. The idea of doing away with negative points would be a good alternative, I think. One thing that I liked about the reputation points is that it was good feedback for a new user. I was able to gauge whether my participation on the board was positive by the reputation points.

[slugbone]

ive been here for a little while now, and after reading what the old school members have to say, i like the idea of reputation pts because a new guy will maybe want to see the lay of the land and who is who. i think it is important to respect the senior members and this is a good way to go about it.

as for the newbie questions like how do you make tea, etc...i can see how they can be obnoxious and if they don't have anything to contribute except disrespect then they should be chased off. i think everone should take on the responsibilty if they register for this forum to contribute the best of their experiences - that is how i learn but i also read as many threads as i could before i posted.

the newbs should have a warning or something to let them know before they post that they should look thru the threads.

[SomniGod]

...but I did enjoy giving people pos. points when and where they deserved them. It was a cool thing to do and it made me feel good. I mean, lets face it, we're here to enjoy each others experieces and hopefully learn from others mistakes hopefully before we have to learn from our own, right? Points or no we still have these, and each others company who we enjoy having....



I must agree with red26... it was a way for me to give 'props' to someone for what I felt was 'a job well done' or 'great idea and presentation of it'...etc! That's my 2 cents.


~S~

[bi11i]

The only solution I can come up with is, rather than just shitting down their throats (me included) maybe we should create a FAQ for each main topic. Maybe we could have a link at the top of the main page(s) that says "new members read here first" and when you click, it takes you to all the FAQ for new-b's... does this make sense?anyone down to help put together an opiophile wiki? Using the Wiki software is kind of complicated IMHO, but if you've ever added to or played with Wikipedia, I can setup the same software to be used, but strictly about opiates, the site, etc.... Any takers? What would make it unique beyond what's already at Wikipedia?

pos reputation on for now. pos only.

[shaunclo]

ive been here for a little while now, and after reading what the old school members have to say, i like the idea of reputation pts because a new guy will maybe want to see the lay of the land and who is who. i think it is important to respect the senior members and this is a good way to go about it.

as for the newbie questions like how do you make tea, etc...i can see how they can be obnoxious and if they don't have anything to contribute except disrespect then they should be chased off. i think everone should take on the responsibilty if they register for this forum to contribute the best of their experiences - that is how i learn but i also read as many threads as i could before i posted.

the newbs should have a warning or something to let them know before they post that they should look thru the threads.

Very well said Slugbone.......you get points now, Wow, I did miss giving points. It is fun, Im glad we are back on the point train.

[Curio]

sticky threads of FAQ's at the top of each section would be a great idea....it will take some time, however and a lot of help and folks writing...

but, a lot of it could simply say," UTFSE"....and explain how we want people to learn to fish(search for the info themselves before asking, etc.), not sit down like they own the place drinking beer, belching and ordering folks to get em another...lol..

[chemboy7]

sticky threads of FAQ's at the top of each section would be a great idea....it will take some time, however and a lot of help and folks writing...

but, a lot of it could simply say," UTFSE"....and explain how we want people to learn to fish(search for the info themselves before asking, etc.), not sit down like they own the place drinking beer, belching and ordering folks to get em another...lol..

Yes indeed, I think that a reply of "UTFSE" would be a good idea to post of threads that noobs post without searching the site first. It saves space by not repeating everything over and over, same topics every week. I think a better approach would be to expand upon previous threads on the subject in question if that particular thread doesn't supply the person with the information that they seek; thus reducing redundant repeat threads and expanding upon the wealth of knoweledge already stored.

[HistoryofMadness]

sticky threads of FAQ's at the top of each section would be a great idea....it will take some time, however and a lot of help and folks writing...

but, a lot of it could simply say," UTFSE"....and explain how we want people to learn to fish(search for the info themselves before asking, etc.), not sit down like they own the place drinking beer, belching and ordering folks to get em another...lol..

I meant to respond to this earler... I was thinking instead of trying to gather and retype a bunch of info, the solution would be to find threads around the forum that are packed with good info for newbies, and sticky them. Then I realized that if a newbie would rather ask than look around, then why would they stop to read a sticky?

So I created this thread (http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=2335) in hopes that newbies might come across it and a lightbulb might go on (but I stupidly gave it an obscure title that most people will run from just because it mentions 12 steps :rolleyes:).

So now I'm fresh out of ideas.