Straight Buprenorphine

[ShamanicHaze]

Sitting next to me is a pile of 24mgs of, what I believe to be, pure bupe. My cat was given a giant ass bag oral syringes with buprenorphine for pain. He did not make it so I took the syringes, dumped them out, and dried it all out. How many mgs of bupe do you guys think I should take to get pleasantly high. I'm at 50mgs of oxycodone to nod. *I've got an mg scale for accurate dosing*

[bronyraur]

I'd advise you to forget about using the bupe to get high–save it in case you can't get your preferred drug of choice.

Bupe is best used to detox or maintain–not to get all warm and fuzzy.

[ShamanicHaze]

I don't have any other drugs ATM and I'm sober, that's why I was going to use this. :(

[ouch]

Go back to the vet and tell them your kitty is still in pain(not dead) and he needs something better for the pain.

[ShamanicHaze]

I would but he died a few months ago. I finally got around to drying this stuff out today.

[ouch]

Ahh I see, thats too bad. Sorry if I was a bit rude, I love cats. I have three currently and its horrible when they die. But this isn't a 'pet thread' and I have nothing else to offer so good luck!

[nycjrt]

I'd advise you to forget about using the bupe to get high–save it in case you can't get your preferred drug of choice.

Bupe is best used to detox or maintain–not to get all warm and fuzzy.


+1 - save it for when you can really use it- if you are totally naive, bupe+alcohol/benzos can give a slight high, but it really isn't worth it- especially since bupe can be such a lifesaver when you are in w/d...my .02

[Opiyum]

I notice you said you were sober but you didnt mention sick so I don't know if its because you are that new to opiates but if you are then save this for the inevitable rainy day as has been mentioned.
The high you do get off of bupe isn't all that enjoyable. You won't be running around cleaning or having fun. More like you'll trying to keep yourself from puking and trying to keep your head up or eyes open for hours and hours (normally that would be considered good but with subs it isn't so fun). OF course this is only if your very opiate Naive. There really is nothing very pleasant about a bupe high.
It would be of much better use when sick for sure.

[ShamanicHaze]

I notice you said you were sober but you didnt mention sick so I don't know if its because you are that new to opiates but if you are then save this for the inevitable rainy day as has been mentioned.
The high you do get off of bupe isn't all that enjoyable. You won't be running around cleaning or having fun. More like you'll trying to keep yourself from puking and trying to keep your head up or eyes open for hours and hours (normally that would be considered good but with subs it isn't so fun). OF course this is only if your very opiate Naive. There really is nothing very pleasant about a bupe high.
It would be of much better use when sick for sure.

I ended up not doing it and I'll save it for a day that I'd really like to get high. I don't use enough to get withdrawals, my pattern of use is 2-3 day binges ever 3-5 weeks. I'm not too worried about getting sick from bupe as the only time I have ever gotten sick from an opie was the first time I used and that was only a slight stomach ache.


Ahh I see, thats too bad. Sorry if I was a bit rude, I love cats. I have three currently and its horrible when they die. But this isn't a 'pet thread' and I have nothing else to offer so good luck!

Don't worry, I got the joke. ;)

[runormal]

And just for information purposes 24mg is a lot of bupe, 0.2 and 0.4 would be considered recreational doses. I have seen opiate naive people get very sick from as little as 1.5mgs and since bupe lasts for so long it is a long tough day of puking headaches and being dizzy. Just a note of caution should that rainy day happen.... and I agree with the above posters that saving for a time of need is a good call although some people do enjoy bupe.

[kjjy]

If your relatively knew to this
24mg should be good for 4-6 highs

you'll prob 3-5 highs

It is very deceptively strong.different.
gl



"Quitting while ahead
Not the same as quitting." chinaman

[ryan]

if you don't use enough to get withdrawals then the bupe should get you crazy high
do 2mgs of it and save the rest..
if you get high, then great, if not, well then you know not to do anymore recreationally cause the analgesic effects cieling out at 2mg
when i first started on suboxone, i was completely and 100% clean..and it got me high as fuck.
I took 8mgs every 3 days and i was able to continue this for about 6 months, and every single time I took it, I got high as a kite for at least a day and a half.

The high you do get off of bupe isn't all that enjoyable. You won't be running around cleaning or having fun. More like you'll trying to keep yourself from puking and trying to keep your head up or eyes open for hours and hours (normally that would be considered good but with subs it isn't so fun). OF course this is only if your very opiate Naive. There really is nothing very pleasant about a bupe high.
It would be of much better use when sick for sure.
I do not agree with this at all...when I used bupe when I was completely sober I loved the high it gave me...I love how it lasted a really long time and I loved the busts of energy it gave me. I also got some good nods from it. I remember it so well because I was in a halfway house at the time and they wanted to kick me out because people could tell I was getting bombed off of it -- all the other opiate junkies were jealous cause the meth clinics were all full and so were all the sub docs..I had gotten the last slot :P

They complained and said I was threatening their recoveries...fuckers!

[roxi*stardust]

I'll admit I am a bit confused. Just how many syringes did you have? Reason I ask is because Bupe, when given for pain, is given in doses of 0.2mg or 0.3mg. The only way you find it is high doses like 2mg or 8mg is for opiate detox or maintainence therapy. I doubt those syringes contained any more than 0.3mg in them. Just a thought.

[dieselbaby]

I'm pretty sure when they give the painkillers for pets that they have to use way higher dosages than for humans.

[ShamanicHaze]

I'll admit I am a bit confused. Just how many syringes did you have? Reason I ask is because Bupe, when given for pain, is given in doses of 0.2mg or 0.3mg. The only way you find it is high doses like 2mg or 8mg is for opiate detox or maintainence therapy. I doubt those syringes contained any more than 0.3mg in them. Just a thought.

I had a bag of about 15 or 20. Tomorrow, I'm going to dose 3mgs sublingually and see how it goes.

[Seedy]

I notice you said you were sober but you didnt mention sick so I don't know if its because you are that new to opiates but if you are then save this for the inevitable rainy day as has been mentioned.
The high you do get off of bupe isn't all that enjoyable. You won't be running around cleaning or having fun. More like you'll trying to keep yourself from puking and trying to keep your head up or eyes open for hours and hours (normally that would be considered good but with subs it isn't so fun). OF course this is only if your very opiate Naive. There really is nothing very pleasant about a bupe high.
It would be of much better use when sick for sure.

Friends of mine have been given .5mgs of bupe and loved it. Another has become sick enough off .5mg she had to take the next day off work. One guy who is a chipper (he can handle pretty epic doses considering) has a lovely time on 1mg. Seriously, most people seem to love it! It's just a matter of getting the dose right. .5mg seems a good starting point for the opiate naiive.

[The_Highwayman]

You shoukd have just IV'd the bupe right into ya!!!

[bronyraur]

I had a bag of about 15 or 20. Tomorrow, I'm going to dose 3mgs sublingually and see how it goes.

I'd start out with 1mg-2mg if I were you.

Bupe is strong stuff–a lot stronger than people think. You can always take more if need be.

[ryan]

Agreed with brony..the "high" part of the drug (the enjoyable effects) max out at 2mg..any more than that is just filling up your receptors and is not going to add to the high.

[ShamanicHaze]

Alright then, I'll go with 2mgs.

[roxi*stardust]

I'm pretty sure when they give the painkillers for pets that they have to use way higher dosages than for humans.

No, I don't know that that's not true; at least not in my experience. My Mom's dog was given 50mg Tramadol with directions to give 1-2 every 6-8 hours. When I had our female Labrador fixed, probably weighed 65-70 then now she weighs 90-95 full grown, she was given Percodan 5mg tablets with directions to give one twice daily. She also had an ACL tear and was given plain 5mg Oxycodone so when her knee acts up I give her 1/4 of the 30mg tablets.The vet also also gives the dog Xanax 1mg for fireworks and it's given 1 tablet every 12 hours. My smaller dog goes about 60 pounds and he also takes Xanax for storms and he takes half of the 1mg tablet every 12 hours. I have given him Oxycodone too, the vet gave him tramadol for his back, we found him abandon and he had not been well taken care of, anyway the trams dont help him so I give him 1/8 of a 30mg Oxycodone IR tablet sometimes.

[duck]

No, I don't know that that's not true; at least not in my experience. My Mom's dog was given 50mg Tramadol with directions to give 1-2 every 6-8 hours. When I had our female Labrador fixed, probably weighed 65-70 then now she weighs 90-95 full grown, she was given Percodan 5mg tablets with directions to give one twice daily. She also had an ACL tear and was given plain 5mg Oxycodone so when her knee acts up I give her 1/4 of the 30mg tablets.The vet also also gives the dog Xanax 1mg for fireworks and it's given 1 tablet every 12 hours. My smaller dog goes about 60 pounds and he also takes Xanax for storms and he takes half of the 1mg tablet every 12 hours. I have given him Oxycodone too, the vet gave him tramadol for his back, we found him abandon and he had not been well taken care of, anyway the trams dont help him so I give him 1/8 of a 30mg Oxycodone IR tablet sometimes.

I thought they had to give animals--dogs specifically--much higher doses of opiates?

[roxi*stardust]

I thought they had to give animals--dogs specifically--much higher doses of opiates?

I did some Googling and the only pain med I could find that said it required larger doses in dogs was Morphine. I would assume for the same reasons some humans require higher doses, they lack or are deficient in the enzyme needed to process it. All the other meds I saw seemed to be given in equal or less doses; Fentanyl, Oxymorphone, Bupe, Stadol, etc. I'll do some more research though. It must have something to do with P450.

[ShamanicHaze]

I dosed 2mgs of bupe this morning at 6am. I found the body high to be pretty good and definitely enjoyed the uplifting speediness of it. I'd say it was similar to the speediness of oxycodone, only better. Probably the most uplifting mood I've ever gotten from an opie. I'd compaire it to the effects of amphetamine without the crash and physical stimulation. Thumbs up in my book.

[Opiyum]

Well I stand corrected I suppose. For the most part I was talking about my own experiences with bupe and some others people's that I have witnessed. In these cases the dose were always greater...far greater than just 2mgs. So I suppose this was the cause of the undesirable effects. That and my honeymoon phase ended a long time ago so maybe part of what I Was saying was due to a distortion of my memory.

[Indy]

Animals don't require a higher dosage usually, they require a higher dosage BY WEIGHT. Animals are less sensitive to opiates due to their brains usually being smaller in relation to the rest of their body, among other reasons. So a 70 lb dog for example might require the dose of a regular sized human, but usually won't require a higher dose THAN a human.

A good starting point for research into this is the LD50's of various animals compared to humans. They're almost higher, and it's a ratio, not an absolute amount (mg/kg).

[roxi*stardust]

Animals don't require a higher dosage usually, they require a higher dosage BY WEIGHT. Animals are less sensitive to opiates due to their brains usually being smaller in relation to the rest of their body, among other reasons. So a 70 lb dog for example might require the dose of a regular sized human, but usually won't require a higher dose THAN a human.

A good starting point for research into this is the LD50's of various animals compared to humans. They're almost higher, and it's a ratio, not an absolute amount (mg/kg).

Thanks for backing me up on this Indy. For the most part I couldn't find much info on it so I was going by my personal experience and my animals have never been given extremely high doses of opiates. Just regular human doses, which seems like alot for a 70 pound dog but in most cases were given less frequently.

[Indy]

Yep, I'd hate to see somebody accidentally kill their dog by giving it a ton of opiates. although i wouldn't be surprised if some of those huge ass labradors or other breeds required huge doses: not cause they're dogs, but cause they're like 250+ pounds in some cases!

[Narkotikon]

I do think bupe produces a high, especially if you've been sober for a while, and especially if you're opiate naive or have a very low tolerance like the OP. For me, it's very speedy and uplifting, not sedating at all. That quickly fades though. But, for the first few days to a week or so on bupe, it's relatively fun for me. I get a nice glow / buzz. The bitch is that when it fades, you start to get bored again, and because bupe is such a great blocker, it's almost impossible to get high on anything else. At least that's how it was for me the few times I tried to get high on bupe. After about the third time, I just gave up. It was wasted money.

The only other thing I would say to the OP is be really careful. Bupe is really potent. The standard doses for pain in opiate naive people is .2 or .3mg. I'd suggest doing like everyone said: take 1-2mg and save the rest. The other thing you need to know is that your tolerance WILL rise by doing this. I mean, bupe has something like an 85-90% protein binding score, compared to around 30% for morphine. That means it attaches itself VERY tightly to the receptors. I mean, even Narcan binds less tightly than bupe. So, if your tolerance is low, you need to be really careful. If you did OD (especially if combined with another CNS depressant) regular doses of Narcan probably won't work. Plus, if your tolerance now is just 50mg of Oxy, be prepared for that to increase, especially if you stay on this bupe for several days. It's just a lot stronger than oxy in terms of how it binds to the receptors. It will likely increase your tolerance.

And lastly, and probably more importantly, if you've never really been in opiate w/d before, KEEP IT THAT WAY! It's not fun at all. I know people are going to do what they want to do, and I wouldn't have listened to that when I was new, but damn how I wish I did. Things just change so much when you stop using for fun and start using because you have to. The merry-go-round is NOT that merry.