View Full Version : morph sucks,still nothin better than d 8's
bandido
05-22-2006, 11:19 AM
trying for the elusive "got to b somthing better' I have ben messin with morph's 100's and although the best and safest method yet with cold water and fast I suceeded and eliminating the dangerous pins and needles ,The buzz is just non euphoric and since there is no h here I guess I will stay with dilaudid 8's as they are easy and relitivly cheap, around 10 bucks, I just wish I could treat the liquid from the morphs with ah BUT dont know a easy and doable wayto use acetic anhydride to make h!
antigonemuse
05-22-2006, 11:24 AM
what a great price... i pay 20 and have heard of 40 for an eight
Avoid the pins and needles?? That is the BEST part of shooting mo!!
And here is a clue.. If you didn't get the pins and needles rush; you didn't get enough morph in your shot!
I agree Ds are nice, and so is H, but don't knock mo becuase YOU don't get it. I enjoy mo more than H; it's all personal preference, that's all.
Good luck and be safe!
HistoryofMadness
05-22-2006, 03:21 PM
I guess I will stay with dilaudid 8's as they are easy and relitivly cheap, around 10 bucks, I just wish I could treat the liquid from the morphs with ah BUT dont know a easy and doable wayto use acetic anhydride to make h!
Ever thought of starting a bed and breakfast for opiophiles this summer? That price would be hard to believe if I hadn't heard it before... damn!
-H
vanilla_mlkshake2007
05-22-2006, 06:28 PM
wow I was paying 4 bucks a piece till my guy went down to Florida for the cold Maine winter and I thought that was pretty steep although those are the only things that can get me noddin.Yeah good ole noddin Its ben soooooo long .damn that sux.
bandido
05-22-2006, 07:36 PM
Jab your WAY WRONG! You do not get pis n needles from morph!!!!!!you get it from the waxy shit blocking off the oxygen in your body! ever get choked off,till you pass out? or when your leg falls asleep when you sleept in the wrong posisition?ASK YOURSELF THIS pure morph in a vial from the hospital....YOU DO NOT GET NEEDLES N PINS,I cant believe the amount of knowledgable duds here who I have seen mention them and not realize how dangerous those needles are, and yes I do get it all(most)
bandido
05-22-2006, 08:07 PM
4 bucks! NOW THATS A GOOD PRICE! Usualy you can get 100 lots for around 5 or 6 n singles from 10 to 20 tops,morph200's for 20,100's for 10,percs for 5, but no h here atall but a hell of a lot of d's.Its at the point now that every coke dealer in town has to sell dilaudid as well as everyone in this town does both and they wamnt to go to a place where they can get both, pill dealers had to start selling coke and coke dealers had to start sellin pills.
HandMeSomeOpiates
05-23-2006, 03:44 AM
Ya Morphs don't do shit to me either. I feel pain releif but no high at all...:mad:
HistoryofMadness
05-23-2006, 09:23 AM
Jab your WAY WRONG! You do not get pis n needles from morph!!!!!!you get it from the waxy shit blocking off the oxygen in your body! ever get choked off,till you pass out? or when your leg falls asleep when you sleept in the wrong posisition?ASK YOURSELF THIS pure morph in a vial from the hospital....YOU DO NOT GET NEEDLES N PINS,I cant believe the amount of knowledgable duds here who I have seen mention them and not realize how dangerous those needles are, and yes I do get it all(most)
I'm not sure this is true. I had several surgeries some years back, and after the fifth one (in 4 years) combined with the pain meds I had to take (non-recreational) my tolerance was so high they had to increase my anesthesia significantly. Anyway I say all that to say one of the worst pre-op pains I had in my life was when they injected the meds into my IV bag, after the versed, that gave me incredibly bad pins and needles... I remember screamin' my head off as I was going under. Fuck it still hurts to think about it. I doubt there was wax in there.
I am afraid that you are wrong, my freind. The pins and needles you feel is the histamine realease when the M passes the BBB. Please do look things up before you post.
I've been shooting M for years, and not the waxy binder crap, I was getting the barrels (1/2 grain) that you drop in the back of the works, pull in water, and it's gone to solution. No heat, nothing, just shoot. They are still given to terminal cancer patients.
And please, please, don't start with the flames. Just follow this link and learn.
http://tinyurl.com/henze
Have a great day!
Jab your WAY WRONG! You do not get pis n needles from morph!!!!!!you get it from the waxy shit blocking off the oxygen in your body! ever get choked off,till you pass out? or when your leg falls asleep when you sleept in the wrong posisition?ASK YOURSELF THIS pure morph in a vial from the hospital....YOU DO NOT GET NEEDLES N PINS,I cant believe the amount of knowledgable duds here who I have seen mention them and not realize how dangerous those needles are, and yes I do get it all(most)
Mokelly
05-28-2006, 02:56 PM
10 bucks for a dillie 8? that's one hell of a deal man, definitely not the norm....
bandido
05-28-2006, 03:04 PM
ya its pretty much the norm price here as theres no h, and as far as needles and pins go, Morph in a vial does not give pins needles and neither does when you extract the goods out from the waxy shit, and as far as it being the histamine crossing the blood brain barrier goes why then does only morph do this when its in with the gooey crap and never any other type of this medication???
exitwound
05-28-2006, 04:39 PM
trying for the elusive "got to b somthing better' I have ben messin with morph's 100's and although the best and safest method yet with cold water and fast I suceeded and eliminating the dangerous pins and needles ,The buzz is just non euphoric and since there is no h here I guess I will stay with dilaudid 8's as they are easy and relitivly cheap, around 10 bucks, I just wish I could treat the liquid from the morphs with ah BUT dont know a easy and doable wayto use acetic anhydride to make h!
Damn.....I'd happily pay $10 for a K8, that's a freaking great price!
psychotiKK
05-28-2006, 10:10 PM
I am afraid that you are wrong, my freind. The pins and needles you feel is the histamine realease when the M passes the BBB. Please do look things up before you post.
I've been shooting M for years, and not the waxy binder crap, I was getting the barrels (1/2 grain) that you drop in the back of the works, pull in water, and it's gone to solution. No heat, nothing, just shoot. They are still given to terminal cancer patients.
And please, please, don't start with the flames. Just follow this link and learn.
http://tinyurl.com/henze
Have a great day!
I believe this guy is correct. I've never shot morphine myself, but all I hear about is the "pins and needles" effect. I've heard people get this effect from not only pills, but liquid M too. How can you hate morphine, but love heroin? You probably have that enzyme difficiency where users feel nothing from morphine or codeine, or you are doing something wrong.
I'll tell you why.. Because you are not getting the morph you think you are out of those pills! And yes, liquid morph does give the pins and needles, you're just not doing enough.
Did you even read what I posted? You really are comming off as ignorant now. Please look up "Non sequitur" because your arguement is full of them.
Good day!
ya its pretty much the norm price here as theres no h, and as far as needles and pins go, Morph in a vial does not give pins needles and neither does when you extract the goods out from the waxy shit, and as far as it being the histamine crossing the blood brain barrier goes why then does only morph do this when its in with the gooey crap and never any other type of this medication???
bandido
05-30-2006, 07:24 PM
which post do you want me to read? While not a chemist I have been doing opiates 12 years or so, and I experienced a ton and read a ton, I was not FLAMING as you called my actions, mearly stating an observation, I was not refering to you. Furthermore you were flaming me by your response, enough foolishness, cant you just discuss your exoeriences and thaughts and I do the same, then we can constructivly critisize each other, dont take statments as they were to your character, as they were not, unlike yours.
Also my friend I am not ignorant in this matter, while I know less thanmany but more than a bunch,Calling me flamming?? You call me ignorant .. now who is flaming? Keep to discussions and if one cant help but take it as a personal attack then one needs to chill untill they can discuss a common intrest forum in an adult manor.
HistoryofMadness
05-31-2006, 12:05 AM
Well, I for one only have my experiences with morphine. I have only done the pills, and I did get pins and needles every time, and I did also have a histamine-like reaction on my skin; it would get a little red and splotchy and itch a little.
I have also always been very careful, and have never gotten the waxy shit in my shot. I am way to careful and have used the right kinds of filters and processes to be sure of this.
But I have heard that people get pins and needles from the wax when they fuck up a morph or OC shot, and sometimes the same shit will kill you (as I'm sure we all know).
I would like to see some sources about either side of the issue... can either (or any) of you source some of this info? I would really be interested to know which one is correct, or if both could be...
Hopefully this will also take some of the emotion out...? :) Maybe get back on the rational side of the tracks?
l3ozz
05-31-2006, 02:08 AM
Man I don't mind doing poppy tea everyday and occasionly scoring some morphs, but with those kind of prices and supply, I've moving to Canada!!!!
goagirl23
05-31-2006, 02:16 AM
I have definatley experienced the pins and needles almost everytime with Morophine. I always used liquid, never pills.
Look at post #10, by me, there is a link in there with all the technical information on the histamine release.
Bandido, this is what I was asking you to read, not my post. The link I put up has all the information and answers. As to flaming, look at your initial response to me.. it is quite negative; including caps to point out that I'm supposedly "WRONG".
Well, I for one only have my experiences with morphine. I have only done the pills, and I did get pins and needles every time, and I did also have a histamine-like reaction on my skin; it would get a little red and splotchy and itch a little.
I have also always been very careful, and have never gotten the waxy shit in my shot. I am way to careful and have used the right kinds of filters and processes to be sure of this.
But I have heard that people get pins and needles from the wax when they fuck up a morph or OC shot, and sometimes the same shit will kill you (as I'm sure we all know).
I would like to see some sources about either side of the issue... can either (or any) of you source some of this info? I would really be interested to know which one is correct, or if both could be...
Hopefully this will also take some of the emotion out...? :) Maybe get back on the rational side of the tracks?
GMorris
05-31-2006, 10:28 AM
From the first time I tried it, I loved Morphine and still love it every day! Though I rarely shoot any anymore, every time I can remember I got the P&N's, even when they shot me up IV in the hospital (for some mysterious wrenching gut pain that I never found out what caused it nor have ever had it again, thank God). Back when I was only able to get Hydro, my tolerance to it got so bad I could barely even feel 5 or 6 Norcos (10/325 I believe), but once I found a source for M it only took 50 - 60 mgs orally to put me in a state of nod. If I had a choice I'd rather have the D's, but haven't even seen one in many years, back before they made the D8's, but other than that I'm fine and happy with the M!
Oh yeah, consider yourself lucky if you have a cheap and plentiful source of Dilaudid. About 20 years ago the cheapest I ever found was $20 for a K4, and have paid as much as $80 for ONE of them.
exitwound
05-31-2006, 01:26 PM
you folks really should try plugging your morphine solution instead of injecting it.....it's almost as efficient and the risks are so much less when you're making your solution from pills.....
shaunclo
05-31-2006, 02:14 PM
you folks really should try plugging your morphine solution instead of injecting it.....it's almost as efficient and the risks are so much less when you're making your solution from pills.....
Plugging is no where as good as the ol IV method. You still have to wait for an onset and you dont get to jab yourself with a needle. Now wheres the fun in that??;)
THEPAINTER1960
05-31-2006, 05:21 PM
i dont think that i ever shot morphine without getting that pins and needles feeling. I used to do 3 100's mscontin. Hold on to your seat sit back and enjoy those pins and needle feeling. Its like the poster said back that the pins and needle feeling is an histamine release. See ya
shaunclo
05-31-2006, 05:53 PM
Plugging is no where as good as the ol IV method. You still have to wait for an onset and you dont get to jab yourself with a needle. Now wheres the fun in that??;)
Yeah I would have to agree with shaunclo, he knows his stuff!!!:)
bandido
05-31-2006, 06:46 PM
how can somone who never even did what we are discussing have a valid point? let alone telling me I have some kind of defeciency which is disabling or whatever the drug from getting in. I assurre you that if 200 mg of morph isnt enough then we may as well all go home, what are theses others here getting off of percs or 30 mg morph?zI cannot believe that somone whit no experience with this would even want to caryon a conversation with me, having 12 years of doing it.do it , try the diferant compounds were talking bout, then come bac here and give us your opinion, then you may have some weight to your statments.
HistoryofMadness
06-01-2006, 12:13 AM
how can somone who never even did what we are discussing have a valid point? let alone telling me I have some kind of defeciency which is disabling or whatever the drug from getting in. I assurre you that if 200 mg of morph isnt enough then we may as well all go home, what are theses others here getting off of percs or 30 mg morph?zI cannot believe that somone whit no experience with this would even want to caryon a conversation with me, having 12 years of doing it.do it , try the diferant compounds were talking bout, then come bac here and give us your opinion, then you may have some weight to your statments.
I have done plenty of morph, so I can have the conversation. I am open to your idea, but I can't just have faith in you, there has to be some kind of reason. At some point you put the idea that wax from morph causes pins and needles... I'm just asking where you got the info or how you came to the conclusion? Nothing more. And I'm certainly not questioning your experience, but I'm also not basing a new idea on it solely.
-H
exitwound
06-01-2006, 01:10 AM
Plugging is no where as good as the ol IV method. You still have to wait for an onset and you dont get to jab yourself with a needle. Now wheres the fun in that??;)
You get to jab your anal sphincter with a syringe! I think that's plenty for me :rolleyes: :D :cool:
that's priceless u sick freak ;)
jacky
06-04-2006, 10:46 AM
I have shot M, in a variety of forms, and I never get the pins and needles, always wondered why I didnt experience this.
the histamine release sounds good to me, perhaps people vary so much in reaction that M for one person is a nasty IV experience, and for me, not so bad.
If I have a reduced reactivity to M cause I lack strong reaction to histamines then this could be reason that the pins an needles are elusive for me?
I dont know, just know the histamine reaction is the best hypothesis that I have heard.
shooting M is something that I am done with, I dont get a rush, and the drug seems to last about 1/2 the time in my body than if I ate the substance.
opiobsessed
06-04-2006, 02:26 PM
I thought sure there is such a thing as getting 150 to 200mg's per shot of M in the hospital. EEEK and to think back recently when I was in the hospital, off sub only 24 hours and went under for my surgery,woke up miserable!, took em what seemed hours back up in my room to finally put me on M and when I looked into the pump at the label, it read M 2mg, I was like wtf!! I thought I remember getting a lovely 150mg per shot way back on my first surgery. Just goes to show how pathetic it is to be treated more like a junky in the hospital post or pre surgery, even when in obvious misery, rather than a patient who just had major surgery and needs comfort. Heck I was sitting there just watching the clock most of the time for that 8 min interval when I could push the button again, that clock as we all despise seemed to barely move so I could push again. I still was just barely comfortable to the point I could get up even or move, and no buzz at all to boot!!!!!!, no meaning to change the subject, but I don't remember feeling any pins and needles feeling anytime when I was in hospital, except before I just went under and they started shooting all this stuff in my IV and man did it sting my vein.
vanilla_mlkshake2007
06-04-2006, 02:56 PM
see jacky w/ me it lasts 5 times as long if I shoot it then if I eat it.I also never got the "pins and needles" feeling unless my foot fell asleep while I was sitting on it trying to find a vein but the rush I get from injecting morphine is just so great its gotta be at least 120 milligrams though and I get a rush lik,e you wouldn't believe.It's best descibed as an orgasmic feeling but I also noticed the rush depends on which vein I use If I use a real good meaty vein I get a great rush whereas if I use a so-so vein I don't get that big rush I used to always get no matter which vein I hit.
exitwound
06-04-2006, 03:35 PM
that's priceless u sick freak ;)
:cool: :p :D
bandido
06-04-2006, 05:21 PM
there not k's any more the 4's say a for abbot as well as the 8's
thbronze
06-22-2006, 12:23 PM
Wheres my pins and needles?Every time i read these great exp.i get a little jealous.Have shot m 100's,m liquid,k4's-2 at a time to up the anty,have never,if i'm remembering correctly,felt P&N,don't even get huge rush but a good nod,etc.Must be me,of course,I've been known,who am i kidding,many,many days, to swallow 7or 8 hydro,tagamet,4 m30's,2 or 3 perc 10,skelaxin,zanax,methocarbamol,tramadol,some shit don't rem. right now
that will mellow me out for a bit then more hydro and maybe boot up some morph.So as someone said to bandito theres something wrong w/you-yeah,your right,tolerances differ w/everybody.Its not an insult,shouldn't be,its the way it is.My 2 cnts
Tar_Baby
07-08-2006, 06:55 AM
Jab your WAY WRONG! You do not get pis n needles from morph!!!!!!you get it from the waxy shit blocking off the oxygen in your body! ever get choked off,till you pass out? or when your leg falls asleep when you sleept in the wrong posisition?ASK YOURSELF THIS pure morph in a vial from the hospital....YOU DO NOT GET NEEDLES N PINS,I cant believe the amount of knowledgable duds here who I have seen mention them and not realize how dangerous those needles are, and yes I do get it all(most)
Hmm I used to get pincs n needles from heroin...
SirDonkeyPunch
07-08-2006, 12:47 PM
When i slam morphines i get a killer rush too, sadly almost nothing now compares to it and when i slam anything else,its hard to acheive the same feeling. Maybe dilauded would help but its hard to get in my neck of the woods, or at least hard to get for me....
superman
07-08-2006, 01:26 PM
"I just wish I could treat the liquid from the morphs with ah BUT dont know a easy and doable wayto use acetic anhydride to make h!"
add morphine freebase to a spoon, add a few ml AA, boil the AA away (CAREFULLY), stop when the strong acetic odour is gone, you got H. add sum H2O and slam some of that shit!
RobOC
07-08-2006, 01:59 PM
i was prescribed 100mg morph 3x daily for back pain, along with an assortment of short acting pain killers. I could chew up ten of em and feel nothing. When i shot them I would get the worst feeling og pins and needles, it was extremely uncomfortable and almost painful. Which led me to shooting only OC, H and Dilaudids. Morphinne by itself just is no fun,
MIVgezzer
07-09-2006, 03:36 AM
Jab your WAY WRONG! You do not get pis n needles from morph!!!!!!you get it from the waxy shit blocking off the oxygen in your body! ever get choked off,till you pass out? or when your leg falls asleep when you sleept in the wrong posisition?ASK YOURSELF THIS pure morph in a vial from the hospital....YOU DO NOT GET NEEDLES N PINS,I cant believe the amount of knowledgable duds here who I have seen mention them and not realize how dangerous those needles are, and yes I do get it all(most)
I have been doing IV morf no doubt longer than some here have been around, I have done the 100 mg amps, 1 gr amps, ect of liquid mo, and have not gotten high with out the p&n's
along with a flush... unless I dose with benidrill first. It is a histamine reaction, the same as when ya get oxyfleas only faster from the blast...
I don't get them from H or my D's but the mo can make your theeth itch with a good shot.
Has been like that as long as I have been shootin dope, I did my first hit(of mo) in 1973, little blue pill disolved almost before it hit the water, and 1/2 had me pukin and itchin.... yea thats when you could still get tray's, a three dollar bag of white H, split it and still be fubar... DANM see what ya did... made me do my wake up, guess I have to stay up all night now and listen to some funky old soul:D :D :D and scratch
Have a great morning
MIV G
MIVgezzer
07-09-2006, 04:02 AM
you ... DANM see what ya did... made me do my wake up, guess I have to stay up all night now and listen to some funky old soul:D :D :D and scratch
Have a great morning
MIV G
Damn now Jimmy hendrix is doing hound dog... scratchin all the time :)
devilsdrug
07-09-2006, 08:59 AM
ill hav to agree with the geez , although ive gotton pinand needles from other besides morph ,what the fuk is bandito about talk about knowledge wizard he musta been dreamin when he wrote that wax shit others with pins and needles codeine , opium , some tar h , if course it was prolly a morph componet on latter two
SirDonkeyPunch
07-09-2006, 10:00 AM
how can somone who never even did what we are discussing have a valid point? let alone telling me I have some kind of defeciency which is disabling or whatever the drug from getting in. I assurre you that if 200 mg of morph isnt enough then we may as well all go home, what are theses others here getting off of percs or 30 mg morph?zI cannot believe that somone whit no experience with this would even want to caryon a conversation with me, having 12 years of doing it.do it , try the diferant compounds were talking bout, then come bac here and give us your opinion, then you may have some weight to your statments.
i bet you'll get more of a nicer, open reaction to your comments if you dont act so damn condescending. No offense bro but "I cannot beleive that someone whit no experience with this would even want to caryon a conversation with me" sounds a little assinine to say the least. You have a wealth of information to share and so do all the rest of the people on here, you'll get more of the information you seek if you try and encompass other peoples thoughts instead of combatting them.
unless your idea is to anger others so much where they feel obligated to illustrate their point, in which case congrats.
HistoryofMadness
07-10-2006, 12:13 AM
I came to the conclusion Bandido was full of shit around the time of this discussion or so. Half of the shit in this thread, and many others, are completely wrong. And to make it worse he's always going on about how right he is.
I'm not bashing / flaming (or maybe I am oh well fuck'im) I'm just trying to get the info out there, in case some lesser experienced opiophile with good intentions tries to win a party argument with his faux facts.
And there are still k-4s, not just m-4's...
caesee
07-10-2006, 12:21 AM
^wow I just read all his posts on this thread..and HoM you summed it up...
bandido
07-10-2006, 11:37 AM
reay? from h?? never heard that one, learn every day, interesting.
Phluck
07-10-2006, 04:06 PM
Jab your WAY WRONG! You do not get pis n needles from morph!!!!!!you get it from the waxy shit blocking off the oxygen in your body! ever get choked off,till you pass out? or when your leg falls asleep when you sleept in the wrong posisition?ASK YOURSELF THIS pure morph in a vial from the hospital....YOU DO NOT GET NEEDLES N PINS,I cant believe the amount of knowledgable duds here who I have seen mention them and not realize how dangerous those needles are, and yes I do get it all(most)
This is completely wrong dude, I'm sorry. And having more experience with morphine isn't going to tell you where the pins and needles come from. If this were true, how come other drugs with wax binders don't cause the pins and needles? There are lots of other pills that use a wax binder, and NONE of them cause those pins and needles.
And yeah, you do get pins and needles with pure hospital morphine... not if you're on a slow morphine drip, but if you shoot a bunch at once you most certainly do.
The effect of having your oxygen cut off doesn't feel anything like pins and needles. The pins and needles can be almost painful sometimes, and cause temporary swelling and itching in your gums and fingers. Having your oxygen cut off feels like suffocation.
The pins and needles come from a histamine release. Your body releases an amount of histamine into your bloodstream when you inject morphine. Type "morphine histamine" into google, and you'll get lots of pages that reference this.
northernstar
07-10-2006, 08:41 PM
trying for the elusive "got to b somthing better' I have ben messin with morph's 100's and although the best and safest method yet with cold water and fast I suceeded and eliminating the dangerous pins and needles ,The buzz is just non euphoric and since there is no h here I guess I will stay with dilaudid 8's as they are easy and relitivly cheap, around 10 bucks, I just wish I could treat the liquid from the morphs with ah BUT dont know a easy and doable wayto use acetic anhydride to make h!
i seen a method or two on here that looked easy and doable....provided you had the aa, and the morph down to pure powder. the reaction with aa was like bakeing a cake. the "down to powder" was more of a pain tho.....
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